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    From the start it were only Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald Trump in the spotlight (even in Europe they get shoved down our throat), and because nobody will vote for any politician they don’t know, it’s the media that decides who wins. Last July 26, Hillary accepted the official nomination, while a few days earlier Trump became the nominee for the Democrat-Republicans.
    You cannot seriously consider voting for either of these scumbags. Can you think of any other reason to vote for Clinton because you’re against Trump, or vote for Trump because you despise Hillary? The charade is too obvious, they are really of the same party (the Rockefeller, Kissinger, Soros, CFR, elite party).

    CFR
    Only politicians with the support of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) can become president of the USA. The CFR takes their orders from Rockefeller, who could be seen as the King of the USA. Bill Clinton is a member of both Bilderberg and CFR. Donald Trump isn’t an official member of CFR (yet), but had a good talk with the president of CFR in August 2015: http://www.infowars.com/donald-trump...richard-haass/

    FRAUD - TRUMP/SOROS
    The connection between Donald Trump and Rothschild agent George Soros (member of Bilderberg and CFR) is interesting: they were involved in a money laundering, bankruptcy fraud with the General Motors Building in New York City: https://aryanskynet.wordpress.com/20...os-connection/
    George Soros has “warned” about Donald Trump, to give him additional media coverage and at the same time publicly supporting Hillary Clinton.

    TRUMP/CLINTON/KISSINGER
    Maybe it will be difficult for Trump to remember for which party he’s the nominee. Until 2008 Trump financed the Democratic Party for hundreds of thousands of dollars (including 10,800 for Hillary), he’s a golf buddy of Bill and such good friends of the Clintons they were at his (last) wedding: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35066940
    Hillary and Trump even use the same address to avoid taxes: https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress....-trust-center/
    Trump wants to become friends with mass murderer Henry Kissinger (Rockefeller agent, former Secretary of State, cofounder of Bilderberg and supporter of communist China), Trump met Kissinger only a few months ago: http://www.blacklistednews.com/Donal...38/38/Y/M.html
    Hillary is also very close to mass murderer Kissinger: http://www.thenation.com/article/hen...war-and-peace/

    CLINTON BODY COUNT - WHITEWATER/CASTLE GRANDE
    Just take look at all the “accidental” deaths connected to Bill and Hillary (the Clinton body count). In all of these unfortunate cases - including a lot of suicides (some with more than 1 bullet!), robberies, and accidents – nobody (alive) has been able to prove their guilt. Here’s a list of some 100 suspicious deaths connected to the Clintons: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...#axzz48usfsXSQ
    An important part of the history of the Clintons is the Whitewater and Castle Grande investments with Jim McDougal (who died in 1988 of a “heart attack”). Apparently when the Clintons make bad investments, others have to pay. Paying off an overdue loan by loaning more money is really clever: http://prorev.com/connex.htm
    In spring 1978 Jim McDougal proposed to Bill and Hillary to invest together in real estate, Whitewater, to build houses that first would be rented as holiday homes and eventually sold. In 1979 the McDougals and Clintons loaned over 200,000 dollar, but the project failed.
    By 1985 Jim McDougal worked on another project, Castle Grande, for which he needed 1.75 million dollar. He could only get this money with the help of Bill and Hillary. Seth Ward was used as a straw man to make the fraudulent transactions possible; Ward received over 300,000 dollars for his cooperation. Most of the money came from Madison Guaranty, where Jim McDougal called the shots. The legal affairs for Castle Grande and Madison Guaranty were handled by attorney Hillary Clinton from the Rose Law Firm. By 1989 the project Castle Grande was already in ruins, by which time the American government (read: tax payer) lost 4 million and when Madison Guaranty filed for bankruptcy, lost another 73 million dollar.
    Vince Foster was a college of Hillary at the Rose Law Firm with intimate knowledge on the financial affairs of the Clintons. In July 1993 Foster was summoned to testify to Congress about the records Hillary had illegally destroyed, but was suicide before he got the chance. Documents of Foster were taken by Bernhard Nussbaum and given to Maggie Williams (assistant to Hillary Clinton). David Hale (friends with both Jim McDougal and Bill Clinton) testified in 1993 he was pressured by Bill Clinton as governor of Arkansas to illegally lend 300,000 dollar to Susan McDougal (wife of Jim). Susan McDougal was imprisoned for 18 months because she refused to testify against the Clintons, before being pardoned by President Bill Clinton.
    The investigation into the Whitewater, Castle Grande scandals started in 1994, and led to sentences for 15 people, among which the follow up of Bill as governor of Arkansas, Jim G. Tucker. Bill and Hillary also committed tax fraud for thousands of dollars, but remained innocent. Governor Bill Clinton was also good friends with Dan Lasater, who employed his brother Roger, and made sure Lasater made a bundle in the new police communications system (what good are friends for, if you do not help them?).
    In 1978 Hillary Clinton invested 1000 dollar in cattle futures, is it possible she made almost 100,000 dollar out of this?!

    CLINTON/BUSH/BBCI
    More on the Clintons can be found in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BBCI) scandal were drug money was laundered: http://www.stewwebb.com/2015/01/05/b...auds-timeline/
    Hillary Clinton of the Rose Law Firm was the first attorney to represent BCCI in 1978. BBCI was also involved with George W. Bush. Bush and the Clintons were also both involved in the Iran Contra affair. A connection of George H.W. Bush, attorney Norman Phillip Brownstein, in turn served on the Board of Directors of Chubb Insurance Company who paid the legal fees in Bill Clinton’s impeachment procedure and lawsuits. Remember that during the Monica Lewinsky affair Bill did everything he could to increase the chances for Bush junior in the presidential election?

    CLINTON/ISIS/BENGHAZI
    For once I agree with the state propaganda, Trump and Clinton as well: ISIS needs to be stopped. I think that bombing food transports in Syria will not make life better for Syrians and it´s no coincidence that the millions of refugees only came after the US army starting their bombing campaign, but I’m just a simple guy and don’t understand politrics.
    To understand the humanitarian drama in Syria you need to go back a little further back to the Arabic spring. Already in the 1990s Colonel Gaddafi got Africa its own satellite system (RASCOM) for a one time investment of 400 million dollar, before Africa had to pay an annual fee of 500 million dollar to use European satellites. In 2011 Gaddafi had plans to create the African Investment Bank and African Monetary Fund and wanted Libyan oil to be paid in gold so Africa could print its own money (Saddam Hussein had similar plans in 2002 by the way). This would crash the petrol dollar, so terrorists were financed that eventually lynched Gaddafi.
    In September 2012 weapons that had belonged to the Libyan army were shipped to Benghazi for Syrian terrorists (information retrieved by Judicial watch). ISIS wasn´t only provided with weapons, but also financed and trained by the CIA (this was revealed by CIA-contractor Steven Kelley). While CIA-agent Edward Snowden has testified that the leader of ISIS Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, was trained by the Israeli Mossad. Journalist Seymour Hersh has published that the horrible sarin gas attacks in 2013 were done by terrorists supported by the US government: http://voiceofdetroit.net/2015/02/09...q-afghanistan/
    Then it gets even more interesting… After the terrorist attacks on the American consulate on September 11, 2012 none other than Hillary Clinton told us the story that these attacks were the result of a protest gone wrong against some video: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-c...79.html?ref=gs
    In reality Clinton was already informed by the DoD on September 12, 2012, that the terrorist attacks were planned 10 days in advance by the terrorist group BCOAR. This shows beyond any doubt that Clinton was lying. The only way they could have known the day after the attack that this was planned 10 days earlier, is that the DoD and Clinton knew beforehand: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r...ys-in-advance/
    Here´s the document of September 12: http://www.judicialwatch.org/documen...-state-14-812/
    So there is evidence from Judicial Watch that the Obama/Clinton administration financed, armed and trained Syrian terrorists (including ISIS) and knew 10 days before of the attack on the US consulate, so I call this just another false flag attack.

    INTERNET TROLLS/ASTROTURFERS
    Internet trolls, astroturfers are specialised companies to divert the attention away from criticism on the government, politicians and large corporations. One strategy of the astroturfers, is posting immediately (suspiciously fast) after a post that needs to be neutralised. They usually don’t attack the message but discredit the person behind the information (the Ad hominem attack). The astroturfers never provide any interesting information, but mostly spread false rumours. By using several nicknames, they can have a discussion between trolls. And by using computers to help them write messages they are able to react very fast.
    This is the most interesting story I found on astroturfing: https://sharylattkisson.com/top-10-astroturfers/
    In the ongoing American presidential campaign, it’s no secret that internet trolls are widely used. So they can put out any message they want, without taking responsibility.
    Here’s information about the 1 million dollar internet troll army of Hillary Clinton: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...trolls/484847/
    Here you can read that Russian president Putin uses internet trolls to support Donald Trump: http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia...16-7?r=US&IR=T

    So boycott the elections, when they clearly take us for even bigger fools than we are, we should find better things to do than follow the lies from filth like Clinton, Trump, Soros and co. Don´t only boycott American elections, but don’t vote in other countries either. Especially when you’re surviving in a Kingdom (like Britain or the Netherlands), or a colony of Britain (like Canada or Australia) where all politicians bow down to the Dictator/King/Queen.
    If you consider voting in the USA, the least you should expect is that they promise to take the Federal Reserve back from the Zionist bankers (Rockefeller and Rothschild) that now control the American money supply. According to the American constitution it’s the congress that has the power over the money supply, so the privately owned Federal Reserve is really in violation of the American constitution.
    When we – the people - realise that we can take the power back, there’s no stopping us.
    Last edited by Firestarter; 08-05-2016 at 11:19 AM.



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    No thank you.

    I believe it is so very important that the TPP be stopped, so I will be voting for Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    No thank you.

    I believe it is so very important that the TPP be stopped, so I will be voting for Trump.
    Lol - or at least "renamed", right?! I mean, it's not like he picked a pro-TPP VP with his very first official action.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    I'm voting Constitution Party
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Lol - or at least "renamed", right?! I mean, it's not like he picked a pro-TPP VP with his very first official action.
    VPs don't sign legislation; Presidents do.
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    Damn silly agreement that refusing to vote helps anything. It makes the other vote count more, always. The establishment loves the angry voter staying home and staying silent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    VPs don't sign legislation; Presidents do.
    Exactly. You trust his words instead of assessing his actions. But he has the best words.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I'm voting Constitution Party
    Thanks for not selling Liberty out, TER. I'm right there with you, man.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-05-2016 at 11:43 AM.
    Carpe Diem!

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    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Thanks for not selling Liberty out, TER. I'm right there with you, man.
    Serious question. Who's selling liberty out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    Serious question. Who's selling liberty out?
    Libertines.

    If you'd like to discuss it in depth, I'll be in the neighborhood.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-05-2016 at 12:14 PM.
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    This is the year for the United States to have a record voter turnout. The media have laid this stuff at our doors for too long. There are principled candidates out there who share our values and concerns. Regardless of who wins, the media and the US and state legislatures should never be able to argue the numbers. If there ever was a time to be a number on a page, this is it. I would love for Jim Cooper to look at the results and go, wow, more people voted for this other person than for me. This is another race when I will have to choke back the vomit to vote for an establishment Republican.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Libertines.

    If you'd like to discuss it in depth, I'll be in the neighborhood.
    Yes. Are you speaking of anyone here in particular? What is it about the Constitution Party that suggests its commitment to liberty (or are you speaking only of the 2016 candidate?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    Serious question. Who's selling liberty out?
    I would say anyone voting for the two party system or staying home. With Hilltrump's high unfavorable numbers, there would be a chance that neither get 270 electoral votes. The election would be thrown to the House or Representatives. That would not guarantee a liberty president, but it would at least show that people want better candidates.

    Paul Ryan and most (R)s in the house hate Trump; he would be out. Could Clinton get the nod in a republican majority? Other options could be Rand Paul, Ted Cruz or Gary Johnson. Who knows what could happen?

    This election is different because of high unfavorable ratings. The Libertarians look like they will easily surpass the 5% mark and a shot at taking enough electoral votes to keep the two other parties from reaching 270.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    Yes. Are you speaking of anyone here in particular? What is it about the Constitution Party that suggests its commitment to liberty (or are you speaking only of the 2016 candidate?)
    I'm speaking on the principles of the candidate. Is there something that you believe that I'm missing that you'd care to educate me on? If so, then, speak up. I don't feel like playing 20 questions today.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-05-2016 at 12:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I'm speaking on the principles of the candidate. Is there something that you believe that I'm missing that you'd care to educate me on? If so, then, speak up. I don't feel like playing 20 questions today.
    No, you're not missing anything. I was genuinely curious because I see a difference between Castle and his party, and I was wondering which it is for you. The candidate in this case seems more "libertarian" than his party, and as far as that's concerned, I think he could be good for liberty. The CP not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    No, you're not missing anything. I was genuinely curious because I see a difference between Castle and his party, and I was wondering which it is for you. The candidate in this case seems more "libertarian" than his party, and as far as that's concerned, I think he could be good for liberty. The CP not so much.

    Mm. Yeah. Agreed.
    Carpe Diem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    No, you're not missing anything. I was genuinely curious because I see a difference between Castle and his party, and I was wondering which it is for you. The candidate in this case seems more "libertarian" than his party, and as far as that's concerned, I think he could be good for liberty. The CP not so much.
    I would vote the person, not the party. Party platforms can be changed as its membership grows.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    VPs don't sign legislation; Presidents do.
    Sure glad Cheney didn't have any power as VP.
    There is no spoon.

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    Default David Koresh and AIPAC

    On February 28, 1993 the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) without any legitimate reason raided the Mount Carmel Centre in Waco, Texas of David Koresh and his Branch Davidians. Then the FBI took control of the siege of the compound which lasted for 51 days.
    After Koresh pledged to surrender just to be on the safe side on April 19, 1993 Delta Force agents of the FBI used tanks to punch holes in the walls, flooded the building with CS nerve gas and then set the whole place on fire, destroying all evidence. A total of 76 were murdered, 12 younger than 5 years of age, 21 younger than 16. Only three months after Bill Clinton became president: http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
    Of course it is very convincing that we were told that they had no choice, because they had to protect the children (after Koresh promised to surrender!). They must have been better off dead than being told that the US government is against God by that horrible David Koresh. And the story about suicide… are we to believe that this happened after or before the nerve gas?
    U.S. Congressman Ron Paul stated that:
    CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on chemical warfare. The U.S. could not use it in war. It is illegal, but they would use it against their own citizens.” — The Washington Times, April 23, 1993.
    Here’s the evidence that Attorney General Janet Reno approved the attack plans (of course she wouldn’t without the consent of the Clintons): https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/09/waco-s04.html

    And that Donald Trump is in fact part of the Hillary campaign becomes ever more likely when you read his speech in front of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC): http://time.com/4267058/donald-trump...ch-transcript/
    Here are a few quotes from Trump, about his love for Israel, this could make most that are no supporter of the Israeli government (and that’s the majority of Americans) vote for Hillary Clinton:
    In 2001, weeks after the attacks on New York City and on Washington and, frankly, the attacks on all of us, attacks that perpetrated and they were perpetrated by the Islamic fundamentalists, Mayor Rudy Giuliani visited Israel to show solidarity with terror victims. I sent my plane because I backed the mission for Israel 100 percent.
    When I’m president, believe me, I will veto any attempt by the U.N. to impose its will on the Jewish state. It will be vetoed 100 percent.
    And you see that happening all the time, that pattern practiced by the president and his administration, including former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who is a total disaster, by the way. She and President Obama have treated Israel very, very badly.
    And we will send a clear signal that there is no daylight between America and our most reliable ally, the state of Israel.
    The following quote of Trump is completely ridiculous, knowing that it’s the USA and Israel that are financing and training terrorists in the Middle East:
    Iran is a problem in Iraq, a problem in Syria, a problem in Lebanon, a problem in Yemen and will be a very, very major problem for Saudi Arabia. Literally every day, Iran provides more and better weapons to support their puppet states. Hezbollah, Lebanon received — and I’ll tell you what, it has received sophisticated anti-ship weapons, anti-aircraft weapons and GPS systems and rockets like very few people anywhere in the world and certainly very few countries have. Now they’re in Syria trying to establish another front against Israel from the Syrian side of the Golan Heights.

    I think a strong case could be made for Richard Nixon as the best American president since John F. Kennedy was executed. If my information is correct Nixon was Watergated by Henry Kissinger (friendly with Clinton and Trump) and George H.W. Bush (also involved in the JFK assassination), because he didn’t want to participate in the depopulation agenda of Rockefeller and co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    Damn silly agreement that refusing to vote helps anything. It makes the other vote count more, always. The establishment loves the angry voter staying home and staying silent.
    If we would live in a democracy, I’d be the first to vote (or would at least vote), but unfortunately I’m surviving in a totalitarian world dictatorship.

    In reality the major politicians, including most (if not all) politicians bow down to the CFR. I don’t see how a two-party-state can be considered a democracy, but in reality there is only one party in the USA the Republican-Democrats of CFR.
    Members of CFR include: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, US president Jimmy Carter, US vice-president Dick Cheney, US president Gerald Ford, Chairman Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan, Jesse Jackson, Caroline Kennedy (daughter of JFK), President World bank Robert McNamara, CEO News corporation and Fox News Rupert Murdoch, Secretary of State Collin Powell, CIA director George Tenet, President World bank James Wolfensohn, President World bank Paul Wolfowitz and CIA director James Woolsey.
    Here’s a list of (former) members of CFR: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...old-cfr-roster

    Then there’s the requirement of freedom of the press, because in reality the media decide who wins the elections. Just to keep it short, there are a total of 6 media companies, that all get their news from Reuters and Associated Press (AP). Rothschild owns Reuters and Reuters owns AP: http://www.rense.com/general90/media.htm
    So there you have it: Rothschild (related to Rockefeller) controls the world press, including the American media. So are you going to chose for the politician supported by the media of Rothschild (Hillary Clinton), or the one “criticised” by the media of Rothschild (Donald Trump)?

    Another requirement to live in a democracy is the freedom to choose where you buy. In reality the whole economy is owned by only a few families (that are in turn connected to each other).
    According to Dean Henderson the Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation. He further concludes that ten banks control the Federal Reserve Bank: Rothschild (London and Berlin), Warburg (Hamburg and Amsterdam), Lehman, Lazard, Kuhn Loeb, Israel Moses Seif, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase. These are almost the families that according to Henderson rule the world; he also names (in the eight families) Rockefeller, Windsor and Savoy: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fed...families/25080

    So not only don’t you have a real choice between politicians (of more than one party), but you can’t even choose between companies to buy from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Exactly. You trust his words instead of assessing his actions. But he has the best words.
    And.... your solution is to???? The others openly support it. So yeah, I'm going with the one who has said he is against it. Yup. Sure am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    If we would live in a democracy, I’d be the first to vote (or would at least vote), but unfortunately I’m surviving in a totalitarian world dictatorship.
    A democracy, eh? You want mob rule? That is not what we want; we want the republic that we were supposed to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    A democracy, eh? You want mob rule? That is not what we want; we want the republic that we were supposed to have.
    You/We are in fact ruled by the mafia, mob, however you want to call it.
    We are currently still surviving in the aftermath of WW II, the guilty parties (financing both the fascist as the allied forces) have never gotten their punishment. They are currently implementing depopulation Agenda 21: eugenetics genocide, under the guise of health care, and laughing all the way to the bank, while we pay attention to politicians that are implementing their agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    VPs don't sign legislation; Presidents do.

    Lyndon Baines Johnson
    Gerald R. Ford
    Chris

    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    I was a minarchist, but I ran out of excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I'm voting Constitution Party
    Same here.
    Quote Originally Posted by misterx View Post
    Yeah, I like cops. They keep the streets safe. Get over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

    Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

    Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

    Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

    Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

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    If you want to understand how we are ruled in our dictatorial democracy, you should read the Protocols of the elders of Zion: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma01/Kid.../protocols.pdf
    The following sections of the Protocols are especially relevant in connection to our “right to vote” in a one-party-state.

    Protocol 5
    8. In all ages the people of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A SHOW and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance.
    Therefore we shall establish show institutions which will give eloquent proof of their benefit to progress.

    Protocol 10
    5. TO SECURE THIS WE MUST HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE WITHOUT DISTINCTION OF CLASSES AND QUALIFICATIONS, in order to establish an absolute majority, which cannot be got from the educated propertied classes.
    In this way, by inculcating in all a sense of self-importance, we shall destroy among the GOYIM the importance of the family and its educational value and remove the possibility of individual minds splitting off, for the mob, handled by us, will not let them come to the front nor even give them a hearing; it is accustomed to listen to us only who pay it for obedience and attention.
    In this way we shall create a blind, mighty force which will never be in a position to move in any direction without the guidance of our agents set at its head by us as leaders of the mob. The people will submit to this regime because it will know that upon these leaders will depend its earnings, gratifications and the receipt of all kinds of benefits.


    13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president.
    The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands.
    Naturally, the authority of the presidents will then become a target for every possible form of attack, but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of an appeal to the people, for the decision of the people over the heads of their representatives, that is to say, an appeal to that some blind slave of ours - the majority of the mob.
    Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.

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    I’ll make some comments on the arguments presented by others.

    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    I'm voting Constitution Party
    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    The candidate in this case seems more "libertarian" than his party, and as far as that's concerned, I think he could be good for liberty. The CP not so much.
    Voting for other parties then the Democrat-Republicans Clinton-Trump is maybe somewhat better. But on the other hand this could give us the impression, that politicians are in charge, while in reality we - the people – hold the power because we have strength in numbers.
    I know of a few politicians that actually fought against the powerful elite. They didn’t do this to make this world a better place but for selfish (fame and fortune) reasons. They were murdered: Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Jaime Roldos Aguiler, Omar Torrijos, Hugo Chávez, Pim Fortuyn, Jörg Haider, and Gadaffi.
    Ché Guevara has made a name for himself as a revolutionary and was executed by the CIA. Maybe he is the one example of a “good” politician, but what speaks against him is that he was pro-communism.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I believe it is so very important that the TPP be stopped, so I will be voting for Trump.
    The whole idea of BITs (like the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Treaty (TTIP)) is to protect the investments of the wealthy owners of the big corporations in Europe and the USA, by letting the World bank decide how the third world must be exploited, while the rich get richer and richer over the backs of the poor. This is really colonialism under a new name.
    Both Trump and Clinton are only protecting the interests of the elite. Both have said they are against the TPP, but are lying through their teeth: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3...ump-all-oppose
    For Hillary you only have to look at the NAFTA deal that was signed by then president Bill Clinton and for being an accomplice to the Obama support for TPP: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3...on-trade-deals
    You can look at what Donald Trump officially stands for on the topic of corporations, to know he’s really all for TPP. He states that taxes for corporate must be reduced to 0 (while the slaves have to pay), and because this is one of the main objectives of these BITs, you have to conclude that Trump is for TPP: http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Dona...rporations.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    Serious question. Who's selling liberty out?
    Unfortunately we are all selling out: we don’t take a stand for the liberty (of others), and wait for others to make things better (for ourselves).
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    This is a nice tale of what could happen if everybody would lose interest in politrics.
    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    I would say anyone voting for the two party system or staying home. With Hilltrump's high unfavorable numbers, there would be a chance that neither get 270 electoral votes. The election would be thrown to the House or Representatives. That would not guarantee a liberty president, but it would at least show that people want better candidates.
    Only boycotting election will not all of a sudden make our world the great place some of us would like it to be. We first need to prevent the youth from being brainwashed (by education, media, TV, movies, voice-to-skull technology and psychiatric drugs), maybe they could make the difference that we cannot (because we are already too far gone).
    Last edited by Firestarter; 08-09-2016 at 08:37 AM.

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    Default Clinton and Trump enslaved by debts

    There are some that say that Donald Trump is above corruption, because he is already a billionaire so doesn’t need the money. I will not insult your intelligence by explaining how ridiculous such a statement is.
    In reality Trump isn’t the rich man he wants us all to believe. Trump has been borrowing all kinds of money, while his career as a “business man” is filled with failures. Trump has borrowed enough money to fool easily impressionable people, but in reality it is the money of others. Here’s a story that tells that Trump is rich in having other people’s money (that should be understood as that he’s enslaved by his financiers): https://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/...ver-been-rich/
    When somebody tells everybody he’s billionaire, but in reality he’s loaned hundreds of millions, he’s a pathological liar, see the following quote: “A mobster who knew Trump socially said of him once, “He’d lie to you about what time of day it is – just for the practice.””.
    According to this story in 1988 Donald Trump was indebted for $20 million. That’s a lot for a simple guy like me, and a complete imbecile like Trump could never have repaid this in an honest way.

    It is also known that the Clintons borrowed a lot of money in the Whitewater and Castle Grande investments that they couldn’t pay back. Clearly the Clintons are just too smart for me: borrowing more money to pay off a debt, is something I clearly cannot understand.
    There is ample evidence that Hillary Clinton is a complete slave of her financiers. The Obama-Clinton administration has been so good to reward 10 big corporations with 0 federal tax, coincidentally these same corporations – General Electric, Boeing, Verizon, Bank of America, Citigroup, Pfizer, FedEx, Honeywell, Merck, Corning - have been so friendly to finance crooked Hillary’s presidential campaign (this cannot be a coincidence, can it?).
    Citigroup got an astonishing 2.5 trillion dollar (that is 2,500,000 million) after the financial crisis, so they really get a bargain for financing Hillary for only 824,000 dollar in this campaign: http://usuncut.com/politics/each-of-...llary-clinton/

    When criminals, like Clinton and Trump, get on the throne of the American presidency, they will be a puppet in the hands of their financiers.
    Donald Trump himself has explained in 2015 how financing politicians really means buying them: “I gave to many people, before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me”.
    Here’s this quote of Trump and many more about the impact of money on politrics in the USA: https://theintercept.com/2015/07/30/...-affects-vote/
    Last edited by Firestarter; 08-10-2016 at 09:27 AM.

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    It's reversed this year...the "throw away" votes are any vote for the 2 parties. Actually, maybe even GJ is a throw away vote, since he has merely pandered to factions from each of the 2 parties.. I say the more people who write in or vote for obscure parties this year is important. Voting this way is the noticeable way of opting out. Let them know that not only are you intentionally "sitting out" but you went to the effort of voting for someone who has no chance of winning. It's a statement. If there are a record number of people who do this this year I think the primary strategies we see in 2020 and 2024 will be much more favorable to liberty-minded candidates like Rand Paul and Gary Johnson. That is my 2 cents. I'm not a Ted Cruz fan, but as he said, "vote your conscience."

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