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    National Review: Gary Johnson Should Court the Right

    Gary Johnson Should Court the Right

    Disaffected conservatives will listen to the Libertarian nominee — if he chooses to speak to them.

    It is time to start taking Gary Johnson seriously. No, seriously. Almost despite himself, the Libertarian-party nominee finds himself on the verge of securing a spot in the presidential debates this fall, having hit 13 percent in a recent CNN poll, just two percentage points short of the threshold to qualify. At stake, of course, is national exposure, and relevance in the race if he capitalizes. Holding him back is the fact that Johnson’s highest-profile appearances have so far been lackluster, owing in part to his deficiencies as a candidate and in part to the impulse of American voters to gravitate toward candidates who make lofty promises. Nevertheless, Johnson is gaining a bit of steam as he meets with big-time editorial boards, earns the attention of outlets like The New Yorker and FiveThirtyEight, and flushes the cannabinoids out of his system (it’s been eight weeks!).

    The Libertarian ticket — Johnson, a former Republican governor of New Mexico, and running mate William Weld, a former Republican governor of Massachusetts — has no small amount of real-world political experience. So far the ticket has been content to focus attention mainly on moderates, an approach that did John Anderson little good in 1980. Johnson and Weld trumpet their divergence from Republican policy on social and foreign-policy issues, in what could be an effective tack to pick up young independents in the general election. But the Libertarian platform, with its emphasis on economic freedom and prudence in governing, has several key elements of conservatism. It offers refuge for the record-high number of people who voted against an eventual party nominee in the Republican primary, coextensive with the people who still believe in limited government. So far, though, Johnson-Weld is drawing support equally from Democrats and Republicans. So if the Libertarians want to bring their numbers up, they must demonstrate their comparative virtues to these disaffected conservatives. To maximize support, Gary Johnson needs to court the Right.

    But therein lies a problem. American politics may be in a state of profound rot, but Johnson is inclined to point it out only on the right. The Republican party is indeed an embarrassment: Its historically unpopular nominee cribs policy from — and praises — Turkish autocrat Recep Tayyip Erdogan; his wife (or her speechwriter) plagiarized her speech at the convention. Trump supporters are epistemological relativists who attack the truth for being disloyal to their man. Meanwhile, the party’s thoughtful, decent voices have either yielded to the authoritarian wave or been declared traitors. About all this Johnson has been publicly vocal. He is among Donald Trump’s most outspoken and effective critics, and his critique of what has become Republican orthodoxy is generally scathing and at times incisive.
    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tarian-nominee
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    He will never win them because of his attitude toward religious freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    He will never win them because of his attitude toward religious freedom.
    If by "them" you mean single-issue social conservatives, that's true.

    He can, however, win over everyone who prioritizes free markets, a rational foreign policy, and the Bill of Rights over homosexual baked goods.

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    Not single-issue social conservatives. He will not win the right because he wants to curtail liberty for some, but expand it for himself.

    Conservatives and real libertarians are not stupid. They know when their freedoms and tax dollars are being exploited. The sheeple who blindly follow labels will be fooled, but not people with principles.

    There. The shoe is on the other foot. How does that feel?
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    You know something is up when the neocon review starts talking up the Libertarian Party nominee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Not single-issue social conservatives. He will not win the right because he wants to curtail liberty for some, but expand it for himself.
    Yes, I appreciate that you've pledged yourself to the orange national socialist and must therefore attempt to smear all other candidates.

    You should work on a new line though.

    Claiming that Gary anti-liberty because he's only a libertarian on 99% of issues isn't going to convince anyone.

    It's especially silly, of course, since Il Toupee is a libertarian on ~0% of issues.

    Conservatives and real libertarians are not stupid. They know when their freedoms and tax dollars are being exploited. The sheeple who blindly follow labels will be fooled, but not people with principles.

    There. The shoe is on the other foot. How does that feel?
    Herp a derp a derp, I luvs liberteez, dats whyz Iz gonna votez fur Teh Donald!


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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, I appreciate that you've pledged yourself to the orange national socialist and must therefore attempt to smear all other candidates.
    No. I have not pledged support to anyone. The Tennessee ballot is not determined at this time. I have no yard signs, no bumper stickers, and have contributed no money. Rand Paul took away my choice to vote for him before the Tennessee Primary.

    But you keep right on with this. Johnson is not a Libertarian. He is on record that he would force people to conform to his vision, and that means less freedom for everyone. I would suggest with your continued resistance to look at what he says now (that he claims to be sober), you rethink your own position on liberty. If you can't extend liberty to everyone, then maybe you aren't as Libertarian as you think.

    You definitely need a new argument. Call up Gary and see if you can get him to change his mind. Have him publish what he thinks today and see how that flies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    No. I have not pledged support to anyone. The Tennessee ballot is not determined at this time.
    You've been pumping Trump for months.

    I know it, you know it, anyone who cares to look at your posting history will know it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Johnson is not a Libertarian.
    Hilarious, how do you have any credibility on this site. And you have been on this site since 2009 and can't figure out who the "libertarians" are in politics. Let me guess, by your standards Rand and Ron don't fit the libertarian standard because they don't agree with you 100% of the times, right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatinsforPaul View Post
    Hilarious, how do you have any credibility on this site. And you have been on this site since 2009 and can't figure out who the "libertarians" are in politics. Let me guess, by your standards Rand and Ron don't fit the libertarian standard because they don't agree with you 100% of the times, right.
    Gary Johnson is not a libertarian. He is for some gun control, some "ethical wars" if there is such a thing, and for restriction of liberty to a very large segment of the population. He is not a Libertarian.

    Don't forget to look at his personal finances. It was discussed in one of the linked threads, but only two people want to discuss it. I will not vote for Gary Johnson. Never, ever, ever.

    I do not make decisions without doing the homework. Labels do not impress me.

    Gary can come on here and talk about his positions if he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Gary Johnson is not a libertarian. He is for some gun control, some "ethical wars" if there is such a thing, and for restriction of liberty to a very large segment of the population. He is not a Libertarian.

    Don't forget to look at his personal finances. It was discussed in one of the linked threads, but only two people want to discuss it. I will not vote for Gary Johnson. Never, ever, ever.

    I do not make decisions without doing the homework. Labels do not impress me.

    Gary can come on here and talk about his positions if he wants.
    Donald Trump is not a libertarian. He is for some gun control, some "ethical wars" if there is such a thing, and for restriction of liberty to all of the population. He is not a libertarian.

    Don't forget to look at his personal finances. It was discussed in many threads here. I will not vote for Donald Trump. Never, ever, ever.

    I do not make decisions without doing the homework. Labels do not impress me.

    Now you know where I stand.
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    Why is the National Review so interested in Gary Johnson in 2016?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Why is the National Review so interested in Gary Johnson in 2016?
    Trump is to the left of the National Review.

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    The fact that the National (neocon) Review is touting Gary Johnson is proof positive that the neocons are working to divert some of Trump's support to the Libertarian Party,...and Gary Johnson is obviously in on the deal.

    The whole charade is going to be a massive negative for anything associated with the Libertarian brand from now on. In fact, it will probably destroy everything to do with the term "Libertarian".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatinsforPaul View Post
    Donald Trump is not a libertarian.
    I certainly have never said he was.

    Individual liberty comes before any other policy decision. If people are not free, then there is no liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Why is the National Review so interested in Gary Johnson in 2016?
    The neocons hate Trump, and know the spineless dweeb Gary Johnson poses no threat to anyone. Many butthurt libertarians have become useful idiots for the Bill Kristol's of the world because Trump hurt their little feelings so bad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I certainly have never said he was.

    Individual liberty comes before any other policy decision. If people are not free, then there is no liberty.
    Forcing bakers to bake cakes for gays is a violation of their rights, yes.

    What you somehow fail to appreciate (or refuse to admit) is that the following policies, which Trump supports, are also rights violations:
    -forcing people to pay taxes to bailout Wall Street banks
    -forcing people to pay taxes to finance a "stimulus" (i.e. handouts to cronies of the Obama administration)
    -forcing people to pay taxes to finance socialized medicine
    -robbing people through inflation
    -imprisoning people without trial
    -searching and seizing property without a warrant
    -murdering large numbers of Iraqis and Libyans in cold blood

    Any rational person can plainly see that the rights violation Gary endorses pales in comparison to the above.

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    Johnson sadly is not smart enough to do what the NR recommends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Johnson sadly is not smart enough to do what the NR recommends.
    It would seem that there is fertile ground that Gary is trying to exploit on the other side of aisle as well. I'm not sure how this is going to play out, but Gary's team (while I'm not really fond of it) may actually be taking the politically-expedient route.

    Disaffected Sanders' supporters may need a place to go and Jill Stein isn't on all the ballots.

    Somehow, he needs to court the left on social issues and the right on economic issues. It's not an easy task. It seems to me, he's going after the left on their turf while picking up the right flank by calling Trump reckless. We'll see how it turns out, but really he just needs to get into the debates right now. If he starts getting equal press, those disaffected GOP people may listen later.
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    Gary Johnson is shockingly weak as a candidate. I still made a $50 bet the other day that he will get above %15 in the popular vote. Why? A.) because Hil and Drumpf are also shockingly weak as candidates and B) I need something to root for, even though Johnson is "libertarian light" in more significant ways than Rand ever was. Not to mention his voice, the way he speaks, he just sounds weak. I know, everest and everything, but his mannerisms make me wonder if they had TVs in New Mexico when he ran.

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    Courting the folks 'off the spectrum' would just be a purely stupid waste of very limited resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    It would seem that there is fertile ground that Gary is trying to exploit on the other side of aisle as well. I'm not sure how this is going to play out, but Gary's team (while I'm not really fond of it) may actually be taking the politically-expedient route.
    Unlikely that any Bernie supporters will vote for two former Republican Governors.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Somehow, he needs to court the left on social issues and the right on economic issues.
    Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. He has to choose one side or the other, not both. Sadly most voters are still stuck in the left-right paradigm and as such one must pander to that if they want their vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Forcing bakers to bake cakes for gays is a violation of their rights, yes.

    What you somehow fail to appreciate (or refuse to admit) is that the following policies, which Trump supports, are also rights violations:
    -forcing people to pay taxes to bailout Wall Street banks
    -forcing people to pay taxes to finance a "stimulus" (i.e. handouts to cronies of the Obama administration)
    -forcing people to pay taxes to finance socialized medicine
    -robbing people through inflation
    -imprisoning people without trial
    -searching and seizing property without a warrant
    -murdering large numbers of Iraqis and Libyans in cold blood

    Any rational person can plainly see that the rights violation Gary endorses pales in comparison to the above.
    Darrell Castle is currently the only true liberty candidate running. Differentiate party platform from his own personal positions, and you will see that both the party and the candidate are more liberty minded than any other group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Darrell Castle is currently the only true liberty candidate running. Differentiate party platform from his own personal positions, and you will see that both the party and the candidate are more liberty minded than any other group.
    I don't know about his personal positions, but the platform is most definitely NOT more libertarian than the LP's.

    Here are some unlibertarian policies endorsed in the CP platform:
    -protectionist tariffs
    -immigration restrictions
    -drug prohibition
    -prohibition of gambling
    -prohibition of pornography

    Which unlibertarian policies are in the LP platform?



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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Darrell Castle is currently the only true liberty candidate running. Differentiate party platform from his own personal positions, and you will see that both the party and the candidate are more liberty minded than any other group.
    I concur, ideally if Castle were the Libertarian Party nominee he would be a better liberty minded candidate. But unfortunately, Castle and the Constitution Party are only on the ballot in around half the states. I believe that we can send a stronger message of liberty by getting the Libertarian's Party numbers to an all time high this election. Then in future elections, we can get the ideal liberty candidate on the main stage with the Republicrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    You know something is up when the neocon review starts talking up the Libertarian Party nominee.
    I wonder what is going to happen to National Review when Trump wins. I imagine they have to be hemorrhaging subscribers at an alarming rate. They recently had to disable comments to protect their writers from the wrath of their own readers. Unless they have some sugar daddy willing to subsidize them to exist as a necon charity project, I see them folding within the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If by "them" you mean single-issue social conservatives, that's true.

    He can, however, win over everyone who prioritizes free markets, a rational foreign policy, and the Bill of Rights over homosexual baked goods.
    Evangelicals, especially the Biblically literate ones, overwhelmingly despise Trump. But they won't back someone who wants to take away their freedom, especially as attacks on religious liberty intensify.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If by "them" you mean single-issue social conservatives, that's true.

    He can, however, win over everyone who prioritizes free markets, a rational foreign policy, and the Bill of Rights over homosexual baked goods.


    Once again, completely loses the foundational principle of private property rights and that without that, there is no liberty. Looks like you would benefit reading the article in my sig.
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