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Thread: Coincidentally, Many Different Periodicals Used the Same Adjective to Denigrate Trump's Speech

  1. #31
    On a related note, is use of term "Dark" in negative tone now politically incorrect because BHO is in the White House?

    Some had apparently jokingly objected to a thread showing violence in world due to current US foreign policy as " a dark chapter in world history" , for now changed the title to "a violent chapter in world history" but if it not politically incoorect will revet back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    So who appointed you spokesman for the forum now?

    This is much more easily explained by how the numerous news organizations are owned by so few. It isn't really a conspiracy that the word dark was used, so was bleak, and apocalyptic. I actually read an article which was not pro Trump but the writer said a good deal of the mood was the tone Trump used over the actual words being stated. My experience of what I heard of it was quite similar. Local media was playing a sentence by Trump, stopping and explaining, then playing another sentence. I listened for about 8-10 sentences and turned it off because of the tone. It was a rant, and life is too short. I can read what he said and not have to put up with his theatrics.

    Do you believe he was upbeat about the present? When someone tells me "I am your voice" that takes away both my ability and responsibility. It makes me dependent because I cannot and will not be heard otherwise. He sold fear and dependency. Not really an upbeat sorta speech.



    What's being done within the alternative media which runs its pro Trump dialogue with identical retorts to stories which are then parroted by Trump supporters on social media? How do they come to identical conclusions? MSM is owned by only a few folks. It is hard to take alternative options seriously when they espouse a particular viewpoint then push a candidate that pushes solutions for that which they previously claimed to be against.
    I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but this

    MSM is owned by only a few folks.

    I agree with.

    Fewer in number than ever before, and those folks suck more than ever before.

    It would piss those people off if Trump was elected, so, elect him.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    I dont think it was dark. i think it was full of hope for the future of this country.
    I didn't think it was dark either. If I had to criticize it, perhaps it was over simplistic. But over simplistic is the direction I'm going these days with my own argumentation, and there was a bit much of the Mussolini strongman style, but the center of it was "it'll be super easy for me to kick ass, FAST, on these problems", which is where hope for the future might come from, and there sure was a lot of A#1 America talk.

    I do like the super straight talk, too, but if he could just throw in, like a little riff or something that gives people of above average intelligence some clue that he actually knows what's going on as opposed to an hour long string of focus group tested and polled talking points. Can't fault him for staying on message, and putting forth a clear message that almost everyone can understand, but you know, a little burst here or there that reveals thought. I liked the part about the Johnson Amendment, which I had no idea about, but hearing that made me think that it's possible that he could have some type of fresh take, fresh solutions. Less strongman, less Yay Israel, more spying, a little more something new, something smart. Apparently, most people liked the speech a lot. Very favorable was over 50% and over 20% for somewhat favorable. Most people, including myself, haven't been paying close attention to everything Trump has said, and it's really been filtered through the media. If he's talking direct to the people, they're responding favorably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    I didn't think it was dark either. If I had to criticize it, perhaps it was over simplistic. But over simplistic is the direction I'm going these days with my own argumentation, and there was a bit much of the Mussolini strongman style, but the center of it was "it'll be super easy for me to kick ass, FAST, on these problems", which is where hope for the future might come from, and there sure was a lot of A#1 America talk.

    I do like the super straight talk, too, but if he could just throw in, like a little riff or something that gives people of above average intelligence some clue that he actually knows what's going on as opposed to an hour long string of focus group tested and polled talking points. Can't fault him for staying on message, and putting forth a clear message that almost everyone can understand, but you know, a little burst here or there that reveals thought. I liked the part about the Johnson Amendment, which I had no idea about, but hearing that made me think that it's possible that he could have some type of fresh take, fresh solutions. Less strongman, less Yay Israel, more spying, a little more something new, something smart. Apparently, most people liked the speech a lot. Very favorable was over 50% and over 20% for somewhat favorable. Most people, including myself, haven't been paying close attention to everything Trump has said, and it's really been filtered through the media. If he's talking direct to the people, they're responding favorably.
    They didn't focus group it, but the guy who wrote it has been with the campaign a few months and is said to work very well with Donald. He is also the hype man who opens at the rallies to get the crowd whipped into a frenzy, so he knows his audience well.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but this

    MSM is owned by only a few folks.

    I agree with.

    Fewer in number than ever before, and those folks suck more than ever before.

    It would piss those people off if Trump was elected, so, elect him.
    They are all friends with Trump, some go back decades. Although Ailes just got booted, he is friends with Rupert Murdoch.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    The most lefty people on this forum are Trump supporters.
    No the most lefty people are the ones posting BLM stories and spreading their lies. Three to four people engage in this and they are responsible for about 50% of Trump hate.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    They are all friends with Trump, some go back decades. Although Ailes just got booted, he is friends with Rupert Murdoch.
    Your example is Fox?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    Your example is Fox?
    Technically News Corp.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but this

    MSM is owned by only a few folks.

    I agree with.

    Fewer in number than ever before, and those folks suck more than ever before.

    It would piss those people off if Trump was elected, so, elect him.
    I'm saying that supposedly alternative media is whistling the same tune but in tenor not alto. When alternative media started saying up was down and that Trump was the only option something was wrong. When msm blows up a story and alternative media parrots the Trump talking points with no independent thought, there is a problem.

    The money folks don't hide themselves away from the public for summits and chat about their latest golf scores alone. The money folks knew that the public is disgruntled and they know the level of education of the voters and they know salesmanship. Trump is the piper.

    When the Bush family sits out with the Romney's because they supposedly found principles and people like me are being shamed for not supporting the media defined outsider because if not we support liberals or neocons, there's a problem. When Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh make the exact same case to their listeners at the exact same time on supposedly live broadcasts, there's a problem. When Rand received the same treatment of he who shall not be named (I'm not a Rand fan, but I heard Limbaugh do this a number of times before he dropped out) there's a problem.

    Outsiders don't get prime time air time and ceaseless numbers of mentions. People want so hard to believe they have broken through the media stranglehold that they will vote in the authoritarian that persistently points out how little respect he has for anyone who dares not to dance his tune. It's ALL a fraud, and msm doesn't care who you vote for because there is no finger being given to them. The villain in a play doesn't care if you hate them. In fact, if you do, then they have played their part properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Do you believe "diversity" is a code word for white genocide?
    genocide is putting it too strong, but ive read a few posts where people have made good points. they've said we're in danger of losing our culture, and I would agree with that.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Could be as simple as all of those headline writers watching the same CNN coverage or an AP release.
    Parrots gonna parrot, stenographers gonna stenograph ...

    No consipracy necessary.
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    And "Batman" Begins

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    WTH? What are the chances of them all utilizing 'dark' or a variant of dark, unless they are colluding with a higher perched organization? Is there another Journolist type group that we are not publicly aware of?

    Why not use pessimistic or dystopian? Was 'Dark' poll-tested as effective language? LOL

    I would not be surprised if Donald Trump used their headlines to springboard himself as "The Dark Knight," coming to "save Gotham [America]" from the evil, liberal villains...
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Theocrat View Post
    And "Batman" Begins

    I would not be surprised if Donald Trump used their headlines to springboard himself as "The Dark Knight," coming to "save Gotham [America]" from the evil, liberal villains...
    Why's he running, Dad?

    [... musical score swells ...]

    Because we have to chase elect him [...] Because he's the hero Gotham president America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So But we'll hunt vote for him [anyway]. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent noisy guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight ...
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Theocrat View Post
    I would not be surprised if Donald Trump used their headlines to springboard himself as "The Dark Knight," coming to "save Gotham [America]" from the evil, liberal villains...
    Can't we have Christian Bale? Please????????
    There is no spoon.

  18. #45

    Some People Aren't Looking For Anything Logical...

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Why's he running, Dad?

    [... musical score swells ...]

    Because we have to chase elect him [...] Because he's the hero Gotham president America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So But we'll hunt vote for him [anyway]. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent noisy guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight ...
    The irony of this (to use imagery from The Dark Knight Trilogy) is that Donald Trump serves more of a role as "The Joker," to his libertarian supporters because, for them, Trump is "destroying the establishment within the GOP," thus, weakening the two-party political structure, supposedly. So, in a sense, Trump's supporters "want to watch the world burn."
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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  20. #47
    Lord, please spare us from the errors of the "coincidence theorists". Amen.

    The MSM Dem/socialist spin machine is just cranking and tuning up.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    I'm saying that supposedly alternative media is whistling the same tune but in tenor not alto. When alternative media started saying up was down and that Trump was the only option something was wrong. When msm blows up a story and alternative media parrots the Trump talking points with no independent thought, there is a problem.

    The money folks don't hide themselves away from the public for summits and chat about their latest golf scores alone. The money folks knew that the public is disgruntled and they know the level of education of the voters and they know salesmanship. Trump is the piper.

    When the Bush family sits out with the Romney's because they supposedly found principles and people like me are being shamed for not supporting the media defined outsider because if not we support liberals or neocons, there's a problem. When Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh make the exact same case to their listeners at the exact same time on supposedly live broadcasts, there's a problem. When Rand received the same treatment of he who shall not be named (I'm not a Rand fan, but I heard Limbaugh do this a number of times before he dropped out) there's a problem.

    Outsiders don't get prime time air time and ceaseless numbers of mentions. People want so hard to believe they have broken through the media stranglehold that they will vote in the authoritarian that persistently points out how little respect he has for anyone who dares not to dance his tune. It's ALL a fraud, and msm doesn't care who you vote for because there is no finger being given to them. The villain in a play doesn't care if you hate them. In fact, if you do, then they have played their part properly.

    Ok, yeah. I thought that Trump was put in there to stop Rand Paul.

    I get what you're saying. Maybe you're right. But what you're doing is guessing. And I do a lot of guessing, too on these things. Conspiracy theories and all that. You're saying that Trump isn't a true outsider. Ok, fair enough. I think he's reading a script, and he was being pushed by the MSM. But maybe Trump was just being pushed forward because it was believed that he'd lose to Hillary. I get the whole "replace the true outsiders with a fake outsider" idea.

    But do they know what Trump is actually going to do? They know they wanted Rand out and they accomplished that objective. But do they really know how Trump is going to govern - at all? All they (might) know is that Trump is preferable to Rand from their perspective. But is Trump superior to Hillary? I don't think so, not from their perspective.

    I'm not arguing that Trump is a true outsider. If he's a villain in a play, like you suggest, what happens? He's constantly bashed by the media. He doesn't get much done? But, you know, no more political correctness? Fewer wars in the middle east, maybe? We don't really know.

    My argument isn't that Trump is good, but that Hillary is really really bad. (And I'll say that the rank and file members of the MSM don't seem to be pretending that they hate Trump.) Trump might be hanging out and socializing with the msm, but they're still going to treat him like a GOP when he's President, he's still going to want to govern in a manner that's going to get him reelected (I'm assuming he wants that), which means that if he's not getting GOP votes, and he's getting Dem votes, he's not going to win the GOP Primary again.

    Hillary is really, really (and then 20 more times) really bad. Trump could be any number of really bad, or possibly good. Possibly. Every President has been worse than the last. I wouldn't bet that Trump won't be worse than the last. But you know, that's 23 reallys before bad with Hillary. So, even if Trump is 8 reallys and Hillary is 23 reallys, that's 15 less reallys than Hillary.

    We had the same exact thing between 1992-2000. It was awful. DO NOT WANT.

    Also, consider this, we don't want the same people ripping us off twice. You know that all the politicians really want to do is fck with people. They're awful. We don't want one who has 8 years of practice. If you're worried about Trump seeming authoritarian, take a look at Hillary sometime. Trump was a tv star and a real estate developer. If using government to make mass numbers of people do what you tell them to do was what Trump wanted, the path he's taking to do that has a lot more tv star and real estate developer and a lot less working for goverment than almost anybody who is trying to push mass numbers of people around.

    Trump may or may not have a personal style that seems a certain way regarding authoritarian, but that does not necessarily mean that what he's going to try to do is push regular citizens around. What would Ron Paul be like if he was belligerent and authoritarian in service of libertarian goals. Something like, "screw you, I'm going to do what I want, I don't care what you have to say, I'm going to sign this executive order Ending The Fed. And if the Fed doesn't close down, I'm going to send tanks in there. That's authoritarian, but it Ends the Fed. Or just, I'm signing and executive order removing a whole bunch of laws from the books. Authoritarian, but, limited government.

    Look at what Trump did regarding playing rock songs at the convention. I don't know what the law is there, I don't really know what the typical situation is regarding asking for permission. But is it really all that horrible? I think everybody these days knows that most bands don't prefer the GOP. So, it's not some implied endorsement. And Paul Rodgers should be getting paid for All Right Now being played to millions of people. So, it's not like there's financial harm there. So, if he's just going to be doing what he wants to do, it's really only a really serious problem if the things that he wants to do are really bad. Again, though, all of this is in the context of really really 21 more times awful of Hillary. So, it's like worst President yet, but not as bad as Hillary would be.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by adissa View Post
    genocide is putting it too strong, but ive read a few posts where people have made good points. they've said we're in danger of losing our culture, and I would agree with that.
    Where will it go if you lose it?
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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