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    Illegal Immigrants are NOT Eligible for ANY Federal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for any federal benefits

    discuss

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    My understanding of the issue (I'm sure I'll be corrected) is the terminology used..

    Free $#@! by any other name is free $#@!.

    When that free $#@! comes from the tax base and not through voluntary contributions most people categorize that as "Federal Benefits".

    Really doesn't matter which checking account the money is disbursed from when individual states are barred from refusing to disburse the funds to "illegals"...

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    So, how many do they get?

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    .....until they drop an anchor baby, then the kid qualifies the entire family.

    You say benefits, I say welfare. Let's face it - at this point, all welfare is federal welfare.

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    how many "illegals" are in "detention centers"?
    who pays to feed house and clothe them?
    what does it cost per immigrant?
    is there any country in the world with a larger population in immigrant detention?
    Last edited by presence; 07-22-2016 at 07:40 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Also, people get treated in hospitals for free. Yes they are not eligible in the sense they cannot apply for stuff but in situations where people are driven in by ambulance, everybody including illegals get treatment.

    Technically, yes but in reality the answer is "not really".

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    but in situations where people are driven in by ambulance, everybody including illegals get treatment
    like doctors do this out of kindness within their own heart, or threat of thump on the head by uncle's stick?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Schools? Free food at school.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    So, how many do they get?
    More than you do.

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    Can a state choose to exclude illegal immigrant children from the public education dole?

    who pays for the 2 million illegal kids in public school?

    who pays for the 3 million legal kids with illegal parents in public school?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Can a state choose to exclude illegal immigrant children from the public education dole?

    who pays for the 2 million illegal kids in public school?

    who pays for the 3 million legal kids with illegal parents in public school?
    "Legal" is merely a concept designed to oppress you racist..........

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    How many illegal immigrants are in jail for possession of federally controlled substances?

    What does that cost feed, house, and clothe them?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    are "unaccompanied minors" eligible for refugee status?

    What benefits come with that?


    Can refugees who came to this country as unaccompanied minors and live on government benefits "sponsor" their parents for legal immigration status?

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    are "unaccompanied minors" eligible for refugee status?

    What benefits come with that?


    Can refugees who came to this country as unaccompanied minors and live on government benefits "sponsor" their parents for legal immigration status?
    You need to be a citizen to sponsor anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    More than you do.
    Maybe I need to leave and then sneak back in, over the border, wearing a mustache and sombrero.

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Maybe I need to leave and then sneak back in, over the border, wearing a mustache and sombrero.
    Are you 5'5" with dark eyes?



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Can a state choose to exclude illegal immigrant children from the public education dole?

    who pays for the 2 million illegal kids in public school?

    who pays for the 3 million legal kids with illegal parents in public school?
    Schools are state, not Federal, programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    .....until they drop an anchor baby, then the kid qualifies the entire family.

    You say benefits, I say welfare. Let's face it - at this point, all welfare is federal welfare.
    Most "anchor babies" are not born until several years after immigrants are in the country- as "life happens" and people work and live and fall in love. They are not born so that they can go on welfare.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...3b9_story.html

    For illegal immigrants with babies, the anchor pulls in many directions

    The pregnant Latina women who come for checkups and guidance at Mary’s Center in Northwest Washington say that they understand that their babies will become anchors in their lives — but not the kind of anchors that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump disparages on the campaign trail.

    The newborns — who will be U.S. citizens even if their parents are in this country illegally — are a mixed blessing for their mothers: another mouth to feed, another obstacle to finding or keeping a precious low-wage job, another complication in an already complex life that, in many cases, includes providing for older children left behind in Central America.

    “I didn’t come here to have a baby. I came to have a better future and help my daughter back in my country,” said Nellis Najera, 27, a kitchen worker who was attending a breast-feeding class. “Babies come because it is part of life. But it makes your life harder, because you have to choose between the baby and work.”

    The number of children born to immigrants who are in this country illegally has declined steadily in recent years, according to data from the Pew Research Center, as the undocumented population here has leveled off. After peaking at 360,000 in 2007, such births fell to 295,000 in 2013, the center said.
    Although U.S. hospitals near the Mexican border have reported that they regularly deliver babies whose mothers live in Mexico, experts at several research organizations in the district said that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants who have babies here have lived in the United States for at least several years. They also said most of the women came here to work and escape lives of poverty and violence, not to raise a family.

    The true “anchor baby” problem, these experts said, is not that undocumented immigrants are giving birth in the United States in order to increase their chances of staying and accessing social programs. It is that starting a family here inevitably changes the parents’ long-term goals.

    Over time, the arrival of children weakens family ties to the homeland and cements the parents’ bonds with the United States. And once their children have learned English and become used to life here, many immigrant parents said that they could not imagine bringing them back to the dirt-poor, gang-plagued countries that the parents fled
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Schools are state, not Federal, programs.
    Mandated to the states to comply, have you heard about the Federal Income tax, with some that money given back to states that comply to Federal edicts?
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    And Obama ain't eligible to be President. Sh1t happens.

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    Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are not born so that they can go on welfare.
    This is an anti-American lie. You should apologize to the forum and consider hanging yourself for treason.


    The pregnant Latina women who come for checkups and guidance at Mary’s Center in Northwest Washington
    This place is funded by federal taxes. This is welfare. These leeches on the American people need to be deported.

    The newborns — who will be U.S. citizens even if their parents are in this country illegally
    This is a lie and hardcore anti-American Communism. Communists in the government who push this lie and give away money to natural foreigners need to be hanged for treason.

    you have to choose between the baby and work.”
    Which is why they choose the baby and steal money from American taxpayers rather than working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL
    Ad open border supporters just love that fact, they can put their foot on the scale and just rig election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL
    How many times has that occurred? After thousands of dollars of taxpayer money and years looking into the problem, Arizona found a massive total of two illegal immigrants voting over an eight year period.

    http://archive.azcentral.com/news/po...raud-rare.html

    Illegal immigrant vote-fraud cases rare in Arizona

    Arizona has spent enormous amounts of time and money waging war against voter fraud, citing the specter of illegal immigrants’ casting ballots.

    State officials from Gov. Jan Brewer to Attorney General Tom Horne to Secretary of State Ken Bennett swear it’s a problem.

    At an August news conference, Horne and Bennett cited voter-fraud concerns as justification for continuing a federal-court fight over state voter-ID requirements. And some Republican lawmakers have used the same argument to defend a package of controversial new election laws slated to go before voters in November 2014.

    But when state officials are pushed for details, the numbers of actual cases and convictions vary and the descriptions of the alleged fraud become foggy or based on third-hand accounts.

    An examination of voter-fraud cases in Maricopa County shows those involving illegal immigrants are nearly non-existent, and have been since before the changes to voter-ID requirements were enacted in 2004.

    In response to an Arizona Republic records request, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office provided a list of 21 criminal cases since January 2005 in which the suspect was charged with a felony related to voter fraud. A search of court records found 13 other cases.

    Of the 34 Maricopa County cases, two of the suspects were in the country illegally and 12 were not citizens but living in the U.S. legally, court records showed. One of the suspect’s legal-residency status was unclear from the records.

    The non-citizens came from around the world — Indonesia, Canada, Mexico, Yugoslavia, the Philippines and Thailand. Most had been living legally in the U.S. for decades. Several stated in court documents that they thought they were permitted to vote because they were legal permanent residents of the United States.

    None was convicted of a felony or given any jail time. A couple of the cases were dismissed; the other suspects pleaded guilty to misdemeanors and served a few months of probation.

    Eighteen of the cases involved convicted felons who had lost the right to vote. In several of the cases, the felons told the court no one had ever explained to them that they no longer could vote even after serving their time. One said he was sent an early ballot in the mail and thought he was permitted to vote.



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    Hypothetical situation:

    A citizen of the US is the head of their household. They have five illegals or, at least non-citizens living with them. That citizen makes a certain amount of money at their low-level job. When they go to apply for assistance, they apply as the head of a household of six. You see, income from illegals does not count.

    More directly, though:

    Center for Immigration Studies
    Percent of Households Using Welfare by Nativity and Legal Status in 2012:

    Illegal Immigrant Households (Full Model)
    Any Welfare - 62.0%
    SSI - 2.2%
    TANF - 2.2%
    School Lunch - 47.9%
    WIC - 22.7%
    SNAP - 22.4%
    Medicaid - 51.0%
    Public Housing - 3.7%
    Subsidized Housing - 0.3%

    - - -

    Taxpayers paid $19.4 Billion Welfare to Immigrant Households in 2012 Alone

    Illegal immigrant households in particular use an average of $5,692 in welfare benefits each year, primarily due to government assistance provided to U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, CIS added.

    - - -

    Now, one can argue several things based on this. The first thing is just how much was spent on citizens or legal immigrants, which is a huge number. The second is that a lot of this is based on income calculation loopholes (like the one I used when I started the post). The third is that CIS is not exactly the most perfectly unbiased source, and that any calculation of how much illegal immigrants cost tends to be based on a calculation of how many illegals there are --- which varies greatly from study to study.

    The one thing you CAN'T reliably say, however, is that "Illegal Immigrants are NOT Eligible for ANY Federal Benefits," because one way or another, more than 0 illegals have been found eligible.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Mandated to the states to comply, have you heard about the Federal Income tax, with some that money given back to states that comply to Federal edicts?
    In my state the avg private school costs half what the state spends per yr on ea public school child ( over 10k). Since all property tax monies and half of all state tax collected are needed to fund this , obviously it is not a good deal for tax payers .

  31. #27
    Is a child born in the US an illegal immigrant?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Is a child born in the US an illegal immigrant?
    Most of the things discussed in this thread are not about a child being born in the US.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  33. #29
    Most of the benefits you listed in your post are going to children born in the US.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Most of the benefits you listed in your post are going to children born in the US.
    Not all?
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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