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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    If you want to go back to watch Scott Baio's speech, you can. It was only about four and a half minutes. He concluded with the line, "Let's make America America again."

    This is a sentence that makes me want to ask, "What is America?" If our Founding Fathers were here today and scripting a return to America, what would that look like to you?

    Gutting 95%of the Government, restoring immigration sanity, installing protection against unfair trade, maybe blasting leftist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Nah, I'd rather let the Mexicans pick the crops while I do something more enjoyable with my leisure time.
    Why not machine? At least they do not burden us with costs and vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    Why not machine? At least they do not burden us with costs and vote.
    If machines were more cost-effective, farmers would be using machines.

    For the time been, anyway, there's no machine capable of picking cucumbers as efficiently as a motivated Mexican.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Let's Make America America Again
    When was America ever America to begin with? (Except mythologically ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    When was America ever America to begin with? (Except mythologically ...)
    Mythologically? The America I grew up in wasn't a myth. It was a reality and a pretty damn good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Mythologically? The America I grew up in wasn't a myth. It was a reality and a pretty damn good one.
    My references to "America" and "mythology" were made in relation to the context that was specified in the OP (namely, "If our Founding Fathers were here today and scripting a return to America [...]."

    Explicitly or implicitly, such sentimental invocations are pregnant with myth, such as that of the "Land of the Free" and of "all men [having been] created equal" - and never mind things like the endemic ownership of other human beings as chattels, or the fact that such ownership did not end until hundreds of thousands of the denizens of that "America" had slaughtered one another for the sake of denying or subverting the very principles that the documents written by those aforementioned "Founding Fathers" had supposedly embodied. (And those are just a few of the most egregious illustrations of the fact that America has never really been "America," except mythologically ...)

    Which "America" shall we return to? The America of income confiscation and central-bank-fueled imperialism - the chief products of which would be a vastly bloated welfare entitlement system and a ravenous military-industrial complex? (Actually, there's no need to "return" to that America - we've all been living in it for over a century now.) Or the postbellum America in which state and local autonomy had been effectively abolished after having been militarily crushed in what was, essentially, a ruthless and bloody counter-revolution? Or the antebellum America in which people were involuntarily "owned" by other people, to be disposed with as and how their "owners" pleased? Or the post-revolutionary America in which a voluntary political confederation was willfully and foolishly cast aside in favor of political centralization and greater concentration of power in the hands of fewer people (an act which, in one way or another, has contributed to or caused nearly every significant woe "America" has suffered since, up to and including the present day)?

    No. We do not need to "return to America." In order to do that, we'd have to have been there once before ...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-22-2016 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If machines were more cost-effective, farmers would be using machines.

    For the time been, anyway, there's no machine capable of picking cucumbers as efficiently as a motivated Mexican.
    No, their is, they are just cheap and do not have a reason to buy machines when they have an endless supply of "cheap" labor.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...king%20machine

    At 1000 an a hour that machine beats any illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    No, their is, they are just cheap and do not have a reason to buy machines when they have an endless supply of "cheap" labor.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...king%20machine

    At 1000 an a hour that machine beats any illegal.
    ?

    That's exactly what I said.

    If machines were more cost-effective, farmers would be using machines.

    For the time been, anyway, there's no machine capable of picking cucumbers as efficiently as a motivated Mexican.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ?

    That's exactly what I said.
    They are cost effective,they are just cheap pricks that pass off the cost to the rest of us, I thought you hated socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    They are cost effective,they are just cheap pricks that pass off the cost to the rest of us, I thought you hated socialism.
    What's the problem there then, the mexicans or the government?

    If the government was not bearing some of the costs, then the farmers would have to pay that difference themselves. If at that point it were still cost effective to use mexican labor, they would continue, if not, they would use machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    They are cost effective,they are just cheap pricks that pass off the cost to the rest of us, I thought you hated socialism.
    Right, competition in the labor market is socialism...

    ...makes sense.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Mythologically? The America I grew up in wasn't a myth. It was a reality and a pretty damn good one.
    Life certainly was great when we were young and had no responsibilities. We didn't see how hard our parents had to struggle to get money to put food on the table and clothes on our backs- trying to get one more year out of that old used car before they finally had to buy another used car. Then we grow up and realize that life is always a struggle- that things aren't always easy or fair. Ah- the good old days.

    America was great then- wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    What's the problem there then, the mexicans or the government?

    If the government was not bearing some of the costs, then the farmers would have to pay that difference themselves. If at that point it were still cost effective to use mexican labor, they would continue, if not, they would use machines.

    If the government did its job and kept out the illegals to begin with we would not have the issue to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Right, competition in the labor market is socialism...

    ...makes sense.
    No pawning off the cost onto others will privatizing profit is lemonade socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Life certainly was great when we were young and had no responsibilities. We didn't see how hard our parents had to struggle to get money to put food on the table and clothes on our backs- trying to get one more year out of that old used car before they finally had to buy another used car. Then we grow up and realize that life is always a struggle- that things aren't always easy or fair. Ah- the good old days.

    America was great then- wasn't it?
    It was better before we allowed in 60 million largely 3rd world people.

    It was better before we gave up colonizing space in order to 'wage a war on poverty" and build a "great society".

    It was better before we stopped using logic, reason, facts, data and the protection of Freedom and self Interests to make public policy rather then "muh feels"

    It was better before we limited our right to keep and bare arms in the name of "fighting crime".

    It was better before we had fiat currency that does nothing but reward banking cartels

    It was better before we send away entire industries while importing untold numbers of workers, lowering the wages of the American people.

    Aside from having an Iphone and a medical tech things were better in the past and if we want them to get better we have stop doing what we are doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Nah, I'd rather let the Mexicans pick the crops while I do something more enjoyable with my leisure time.
    Yeah, like hang out and shop at the mall. Like, totally!
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    My references to "America" and "mythology" were made in relation to the context that was specified in the OP (namely, "If our Founding Fathers were here today and scripting a return to America [...]."

    Explicitly or implicitly, such sentimental invocations are pregnant with myth, such as that of the "Land of the Free" and of "all men [having been] created equal" - and never mind things like the endemic ownership of other human beings as chattels, or the fact that such ownership did not end until hundreds of thousands of the denizens of that "America" had slaughtered one another for the sake of denying or subverting the very principles that the documents written by those aforementioned "Founding Fathers" had supposedly embodied. (And those are just a few of the most egregious illustrations of the fact that America has never really been "America," except mythologically ...)

    Which "America" shall we return to? The America of income confiscation and central-bank-fueled imperialism - the chief products of which would be a vastly bloated welfare entitlement system and a ravenous military-industrial complex? (Actually, there's no need to "return" to that America - we've all been living in it for over a century now.) Or the postbellum America in which state and local autonomy had been effectively abolished after having been militarily crushed in what was, essentially, a ruthless and bloody counter-revolution? Or the antebellum America in which people were involuntarily "owned" by other people, to be disposed with as and how their "owners" pleased? Or the post-revolutionary America in which a voluntary political confederation was willfully and foolishly cast aside in favor of political centralization and greater concentration of power in the hands of fewer people (an act which, in one way or another, has contributed to or caused nearly every significant woe "America" has suffered since, up to and including the present day)?

    No. We do not need to "return to America." In order to do that, we'd have to have been there once before ...
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    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Mythologically? The America I grew up in wasn't a myth. It was a reality and a pretty damn good one.
    Many people imaging 'things' were better in their youth, when in fact, youth is what was good.

    [EDIT] And that carefree feeling you had? That was ignorance of evil, also called innocence.

    (partially kidding here - but only partly)
    Last edited by merkelstan; 05-19-2017 at 06:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    Many people imaging 'things' were better in their youth, when in fact, youth is what was good.

    [EDIT] And that carefree feeling you had? That was ignorance of evil, also called innocence.

    (partially kidding here - but only partly)
    We raised our own food, veggies and meat, put up hay loose, mom sewed most of our clothes and we heated 100% with wood.....

    A color TV in 1974 was a big deal to us...

    Today we have more $#@! but we also have more headaches....

    People were different then too.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    We raised our own food, veggies and meat, put up hay loose, mom sewed most of our clothes and we heated 100% with wood.....

    A color TV in 1974 was a big deal to us...

    Today we have more $#@! but we also have more headaches....

    People were different then too.........
    I do know from contact with some people on a hobby-farm that EU regulations add unpayable expenses to their raising livestock for friends and family. So maybe you can't live that way anymore?

    But i dunno - I lived in a wood-heated house january - what a PITA. And gardening for your survival? Haven't done that - raised some broccoli that got infested with caterpilars. MMmm steamed caterpillar. Having a few tomatos is nice i guess.

    I hang-out mostly with people from then, and cool people from now, and liberty-minded folks online.
    Last edited by merkelstan; 05-19-2017 at 08:04 PM.
    "I have a strong temperamental attachment to the meaning of words. In the age I find myself in, that condemns me to a daily dose of pain." - John Derbyshire
    "Give me control of the scientists' money supply and I care not who fakes the results."
    "I can find millions of 'social problems' such as: 'Too many red-headed people have hangnails'." - Murray Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post




    Nice land

    So, how long til Trump Vera Coking's it and takes it for casino parking?
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    It looks like the DNC controlled media is trying to create a Constitutional crisis.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    I define America as a white place because the definition of a country is literally a "race of people" or a "tribe." Does anyone believe America will be the same if the elitist commies replace the white race with non-whites?

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    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    No enemies to the right

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