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Thread: Rep. Steve King wonders what ‘sub-groups’ besides whites made contributions to civilization

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Stop trying to make it make sense. Sit back and enjoy your indoor "pluming"
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    Your self hate is showing.
    Let me help you with comprehension.......

    You claiming to speak for for hardworking white men and women pisses me off.

    That is not "self hate" it's despising a mouthy young punk who has the audacity to try and speak for others.

    Listen carefully..........You do not speak for me or anyone in my family........Got it?



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    Sure, some but the vast majority of that number is by whites. Who created the Internet, Computer, electricity systems and methods of creation that are being used, and the nation you are in again?
    Your age and immaturity is outshining you intellect by millions of lumens......

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    Sure, some but the vast majority of that number is by whites. Who created the Internet, Computer, electricity systems and methods of creation that are being used, and the nation you are in again?
    What is your native language?

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post




    So they build things out of stone, meanwhile we go to the Moon...
    Considering that the Taj Mahal was built in the mid-17th century, that's not quite an apples to apples comparison is it?


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    Emm... who invented gunpowder and has that invention made much of a difference in history?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Emm... who invented gunpowder and has that invention made much of a difference in history?
    Paper was kind of important, too ...

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Paper was kind of important, too ...
    True... I wonder why we only studied The History of Western Civilization in school. I can guess...

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    Is there a creation other than welfare that they are so proud of ?



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    True... I wonder why we only studied The History of Western Civilization in school. I can guess...
    Maybe we should start designating some folks as "honorary Whites," or something.

    You know, just to keep the narrative simple and tidy ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Is there a creation other than welfare that they are so proud of ?
    Socialism. in many forms.

    National Socialism seems quite popular again.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Considering that the Taj Mahal was built in the mid-17th century, that's not quite an apples to apples comparison is it?

    They have existed for how many thousands of years? And what did they do in that span of time again?

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    "I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about..."
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    Stop believing stupid things

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    They have existed for how many thousands of years? And what did they do in that span of time again?
    Hey ROL, I think you are making a logical error. You are confusing circumstances with genetic ability. Consider this:

    Thucydides writes of ancient Greece: "...Lacedameon; for this city, though after the settlement of the Dorians, its present inhabitants, it suffered from factions for an unparalleled length of time, sitll at a very early period obtained good laws, and enjoyed a frreedom from tyrants which was unbroken; it has possessed the same for of government for more than four hundred years... and had thus been in a position to arrange the affairs of the other states."

    What in the $#@! does Thucydides have to do with Steve King? I will tell you. First, Steve mentions "western civilisation" directly-- and where is one place that had a disproportionate influence on that civlization? Ancient Greece. Particularly Athens, of a certain period, beginning with Plato and diminishing after Aristotle(please correct me if I am wrong here). Plato writes of Socrates, who fought in what we refer to as the Peloponnese war. The history of which was written by Thucydides, and from that history is the above quote taken.

    Anyone who claims that the Greece of antiquity has had little influence on western civilization ignores the hard fact that the Roman state religion was designed with repurposed Greek deities, who had themselves altered the Anatolian versions. Which, themselves, came mostly from the fertile crescent and even older Egypt. If you do not deny Ancient Romes influence on Western Civilization, then you cannot deny Greek influence. If you do not deny Greek influence, then you cannot deny Anatolian etc.

    Now, more to the point and to address the quotation directly. What does Thucydides say? He says, in essence, that the strongest city state of ancient Greece became that way because, "from a very early period (it) obtained good laws..." My point about your mistake being political circumstances can repress or enhance the relative strength of a people. A place that has been restrained to brutal political circumstances for hundreds of years will be more stifled than a place that has not been so subjected. Depending on the nature of those circumstances that place will become culturally inferior. That isn't an indictment of the people, rather of their rulers.

    So you may ask how many thousands of years... but you forget to consider that those millennia have been tainted by bad laws. Please don't forget that those laws can change.

    Since the picture is of the Taj Mahal- India is a place that has languished under bad laws for a really long time. Castes? Untouchables? They exist in every society, but not so drastically as there.
    Last edited by BV2; 07-23-2016 at 10:16 AM.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    They have existed for how many thousands of years? And what did they do in that span of time again?
    First, it's beyond question that the West has, to date, contributed more to civilization than any other culture.

    But this is only a recent phenomenon; the West has only been most advanced in the last ~500 years. For most of history, the Middle Eastern, Indian and Chinese civilizations were more advanced. That, coupled with the enormous variation within Europe (some states being very sophisticated and others very primitive), makes nonsense of the racialist explanation you're implying. Race may have some effect, but it is clearly not the most important factor.

    The behavior of the state is the most important factor. The more liberal the state, the more rapid the civilizing process. As Adam Smith said: "'Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism, but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things." This is universally true, no matter the racial composition of the population. Europe took the lead 500 years ago because its governments were relatively more liberal than governments elsewhere. This, in turn, was in large part the result of an historical accident: the collapse of the Roman Empire and its failure to be replaced with anything. Europe enjoyed more than a thousand years of extreme political fragmentation, which stimulates stronger economic competition among states and thus encourages liberal behavior.

    The distribution of natural resources was also a major factor, prior to the emergence of large-scale global trade anyway. There's a very simple explanation for the extreme backwardness of aboriginal American civilizations compared to those of the Old World: the lack of good draft animals. No matter how brilliant or motivated the Aztecs were, there were no horses or oxen on their continent, which means dramatically lower economic output. Why civilization initially emerged where it did (Mesopotamia, the Indus River Valley, the Yellow River Valley, etc) can also largely be explained in these terms; those were areas with the best combinations of domesticable plants and animals.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 07-23-2016 at 11:35 AM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    They have existed for how many thousands of years? And what did they do in that span of time again?
    Algebra likely came from India.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  21. #48
    There are plenty of Asians who have made contributions.

    The thrust of what Steve King said might be unpalatable, but it isn't untrue. If you look at Nobel Prize winners in sciences Asians and whites dominate. Muslims and blacks have won almost zero. Almost all innovation comes from whites and Asians. That is a factually true statement.

    The classical liberal thinkers whose ideas created modern civilization were almost exclusively white. Classical liberalism is what took humanity out of the Dark Ages.

    Even someone like Martin Luther King , who indisputably made a contribution to civilization , fundamentally hated freedom and progress. It doesn't mean that all cultures don't contribute. Anyone working raises the standard of living for everyone else. It does, however, mean that the big picture philosophy and the major drivers of progress would not exist without whites. An easy thought experiment is pretend that all the countries with predominantly white populations do not exist? You of course are left exclusively with failing cultures. You would have Singapore, Hong Kong, and well.... that's it.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 07-23-2016 at 12:34 PM.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    An easy thought experiment is pretend that all the countries with predominantly white populations do not exist? You of course are left exclusively with failing cultures. You would have Singapore, Hong Kong, and well.... that's it.
    I wouldn't say that.

    The West is still far ahead, but the trend is not good.

    Western economies are stagnating as others are growing rapidly.

    ...economic growth being the basis for all other developments.

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