Deja vu...
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Deja vu...
Rand Paul for Peace
Cruz/Romney, probably.
Utah's Mormons have been the big push behind the #Nevertrump nonsense from early on.
I had no opinion one way or the other about Mormons until recently, but they're as crazily clannish as Zionists,...and their religious beliefs were dictated by a magic rock.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/2802019-1...more-documents
The LDS Church provided a new glimpse of its origins Tuesday by publishing the handwritten "printer's manuscript" of the Book of Mormon and photos of the "seer stone," a dark, egg-size polished rock founder Joseph Smith claimed to have used to produce the faith's sacred scripture.
Having Rudy Giuliani as a speaker is a mixture of politics and personal friendship, but has little to do with policy unless Giuliani is speaking in support of Trump's policies which are not globalist, neocon policies. It will be interesting to see what Giuliani says and how he says it. Thankfully, he did not become our president.Originally Posted by Carlybee
Aw, those poor people thinking they have a voice. If they'd paid attention four years ago...
"And they were shut-down with some BS about some States rescinding their prior calls for a roll call vote. "
Indeed, and they did the same thing to us or would have. Even the "USA! USA!" chants were the same as four years ago.
I think North Korean politburo meetings have more democracy than this.
I understand they had the votes to turn a minority report down but geez louise would it have hurt them just to take a vote? This is a convention you know! It's ridiculous. When was the last time the GOP had a vote on a minority resolution, 1976?
I guarantee you during the roll call Cruz will not put his name nomination even though he has the eight states needed to be nominated. There will be a lot of uncounted votes Tuesday night.
At least this time it's front page everywhere. Trump could have had a real chance to win if he had the whole of the party behind him. He will have to buy volunteers like Mitt 2012 did.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
They are trying to force a roll call vote on the rules package.
Anyone have the answer to this question?
You don't completely understand what is going on here. There are some delegates who are against Trump, but what they did in the Rules Committee pissed off the whole of the grassroots, same as 2012. The RNC moved further to centralize power, and Trump had no problem standing with them.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
He has the biggest car accidents, the best car accidents!
" The RNC moved further to centralize power, and Trump had no problem standing with them. "
Of course, because Trump needs the party to basically run his campaign in each state. He's not going to pay for that himself. He wants to make a profit out of all this. So that's the deal, Trump gives the party what they want which is more power and they give him what he wants which is the nomination.
Infowars in the skies above Cleveland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB8pTHih9wA
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
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The events today confirm something I had been wondering about since the 2012 RNC finished. I thought it was possible the RNC and GOP just hated Ron Paul and the ideas of liberty and that is why everything transpired the way it did. I'm sure they do hate Ron Paul and liberty, but that's not what was causing their poor behavior.
Instead, we saw nearly the identical thing happen today, with different opponents, different presumptive nominees, and different ideologies that had nothing to do with what RP espoused. I think this tells us it's more about the ironclad grip of power they want to maintain over the process, rather than keeping the ideas of liberty and freedom out of RNC discussion.
The only difference this time, is the media coverage of this event has increased dramatically, specifically the attention to the events on the floor, whereas in 2012 it was almost completely glossed over.
Yep. The press is reporting it as an anti-Trump revolt, but it is the entire grassroots against the national party. Same in 2012, Ron had some support there, but after the RNC used the Rules Committee for a power grab, the whole grassroots joined us to oppose the rules package + help Ron get a floor nomination.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
#NeverTrump (neocons, globalists, Establishment, status quo) is fighting to the last person, the last tactic - the last vote. This convention is their Alamo.
If it wasn't clear before, it's very clear now who the Trump people stand with:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ules-CommitteeBack to the 2012 “Ginsberg” rules, and what happened with them in 2016:
1) Rule 12: Team Trump/GOPe overwhelmingly voted to keep Rule 12 completely intact (86 to 23). Immediately after, Hatchet Evans suggested that the rest of the rules amendments that weren't directly related to the convention *should be referred to the RNC and not considered in the Convention Committee*, which would fundamentally transfer all national party authority from the Convention to the RNC. They apparently decided this would actually go too far to pass, so they pulled it down without a vote. The message is clear, though--the RNC/GOPe believes that the Convention has no actual governing role, and the RNC kings should decide everything.
2) Rule 15/16: No amendments were allowed, it's exactly the same as it was in 2012.
3) Rule 40b: This one was changed back to the 2008 version, then further tweaked in some very confusing ways. They claimed that in doing so they were responding to all the concerns from 2012 so everyone could move forward in unity, but as noted previously, while people reacted badly to this one it was always just a distraction.
So, they kept all the trash from 2012 that entire state parties have repudiated and the grassroots has complained unceasingly about—the very things that absolutely represented the GOPe power centralization takeover that got so many people fired up about the problems and interested in reforming the RNC.
Meanwhile, Every.Single.Amendment. brought by most of the good guys on the committee that sought to do *anything* was ordered voted down. No prisoners. This included things that were literally just cosmetic fixes or changes to update the rules to current practice under Reince. (I think Ross Little got one or two updates through early on, but nothing once the death march started.)
And of course, any change these good guys brought that were meant to give the grassroots a greater voice or just increase basic transparency was shot down. This included basic things like continuing to require having a parliamentarian at the 3 RNC meetings each year, requiring that RNC members be given notice of things they were going to vote on before they were asked to vote on them, moving some committees to elections instead of appointments, etc.
*These* are the kinds of things they killed and now have the Trump Train people crowing they beat as “defeating the unbound crowd”. They had nothing to do with unbinding, and everything to do with maintaining absolute control of the RNC by the Chair and his cronies. The hatchets didn't even claim in their debate it was anything else--they outright said they opposed these changes because the Chair should have all power, or that any such amendments were about attacking Reince specifically, vs. just having good, transparent policies regardless of who is chair.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
If it wasn't clear before, it's very clear now who the Trump-haters stand with.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6263855
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
RNC: I got in an argument with Ted Cruz supporters +
by S G July 18, 2016
And I said ‘what the $#@! you here for?’
They say ‘we are Cruz supporters’.
I said ‘your pathetic get the $#@! out of here’.
…
I screamed at Ken Cuckinelli but I can’t confirm that he heard me. I was looking at him.
Flashback: I got in an argument with my personal trainer about TrumpMisc:
People vow to boo Ted Cruz when he speaks. They blame him for not calming down his Cruzlims
More cov’g HERE.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
I hope every American voter gets to listen to Pat Smith's speech at some point. I do not see how any mother could vote for Hillary after listening to her speech.
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Says the white supremacist cowboy from the wild west.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Go Chachi!
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
So it seems either the Trump campaign or RNC sent thugs out to intimidate delegates into changing their votes for a roll call. Not really surprising.
http://bangordailynews.com/2016/07/1...on-rules-vote/
Maine was one of those delegations, according to National Committeewoman Ashley Ryan of Portland.
Ryan, who hasn’t endorsed a candidate, but joined the challenge for a more “open” rules process, said the late change came after intense on-the-floor lobbying from the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee.
She said “large and burly men” pulled her aside to warn her that supporting a roll call would help elect Democratic presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton. Maine lost the required number of votes after staffers cornered five delegates, Ryan said, but it’s unclear who changed their votes.
Had no idea her son called her the night before and said he was going to die because they were ignoring his requests for help.
Tuned over to MSNBC and they are freaking out over it. Chris Mathews yelling that Hillary had nothing to do with it. Pretty disgusting the lengths some hosts on MSNBC will go to lie for Hillary. Pretty disgusting.
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