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Thread: Hear ye, hear ye, members are called forth for their input on the first RPF Jury of Peers.

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    Hear ye, hear ye, members are called forth for their input on the first RPF Jury of Peers.

    Ron Paul Forums is a private site. As such the owner has complete control. This is not debated. The owner has allowed that an infraction served on one or more of it's member's for the same offence may be put before the forum in the manner of a trial.

    For reference: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-my-infraction

    This is a thread that is open to thoughts on how this trial may be conducted. As this has never been done advise is sought in how it may be conducted. As there is only one prosecutor and one defendant at this time it is a supposition that all advise will be regarded for merit and agreed to between the parties.

    Thanks in advance.



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    I think we should vote on it

    Or perhaps, vote on how we plan on voting on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I think we should vote on it

    Or perhaps, vote on how we plan on voting on it
    I knew I could count on you. When it comes to voting I don't know anyone that does it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I think we should vote on it

    Or perhaps, vote on how we plan on voting on it
    Well. It's a Mens Rea/Actus Reus case. I think all that is required is a mental and a physical element. Actus Reus, of course, serving as the physical element. Mens Rea being the mental element. Normally, I'd contend that, yes, the best argument against democracy really is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. But we don't generally have average voters around here so it'll be interesting to see the terms of the poll and how it pans out, I suppose.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-12-2016 at 01:18 AM.

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    What is the scope, what evidence will be admissible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    What is the scope..
    Wrongful purpose. Intent/Conspiracy. Guilty knowledge/wilfulness.

    ...what evidence will be admissible?
    It gets tricky because one may be concluded guilty even if they did not have knowledge. Meaning that even absent Mens Rea, Actus Reus may be sufficient for liability. To pull that off, though, Bryan would have to finagle some kind of Strict Liability statute from the Mission Statement / Community Guidlines. That said, if it is concluded that a contract was intentionally breached, the measure of damage and scope of liability may be increased.

    Not sure if Phill has aquired Council or if he'll be self representing.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-12-2016 at 02:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post


    Wrongful purpose. Intent/Conspiracy. Guilty knowledge/wilfulness.



    It gets tricky because one may be concluded guilty even if they did not have knowledge. Meaning that even absent Mens Rea, Actus Reus may be sufficient for liability. To pull that off, though, Bryan would have to finagle some kind of Strict Liability statute from the Mission Statement / Community Guidlines. That said, if it is concluded that a contract was intentionally breached, the measure of damage and scope of liability may be increased.

    Not sure if Phill has aquired Council or if he'll be self representing.
    I will represent phil if he wants me to but I won't do it pro bono. I have a campaign to run and it ain't cheap. How much rep ya got, phil?

    The same offer stands for Bryan. I'm happy to represent him if he can pony up the most rep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I will represent phil if he wants me to but I won't do it pro bono. I have a campaign to run and it ain't cheap. How much rep ya got, phil?

    The same offer stands for Bryan. I'm happy to represent him if he can pony up the most rep.
    Good grief Suz!

    Mere talk of becoming a politician and you're offering to whore out your services to the high bidder.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Good grief Suz!

    Mere talk of becoming a politician and you're offering to whore out your services to the high bidder.....
    Freedom isn't free, tod...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Good grief Suz!

    Mere talk of becoming a politician and you're offering to whore out your services to the high bidder.....
    She's probably nostalgically remembers junior high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    She's probably nostalgically remembers junior high.
    I didn't go to junior high. I started HS in 8th grade.

    I played the lawyer part in a mock trial during Civics class and won. That teacher signed my yearbook and said I was a sweet girl.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I didn't go to junior high. I started HS in 8th grade.

    I played the lawyer part in a mock trial during Civics class and won. That teacher signed my yearbook and said I was a sweet girl.
    How old was the lecher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    How old was the lecher?
    Old. Probably in his forties. My mom thought it was creepy, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    There must be some committees and have plenty of meetings about this.

    and at least one poll.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 07-12-2016 at 01:46 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    There must be some committees and have plenty of meetings about this.

    and at least one poll.
    Studies too!

    And discussion panels.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Studies too!

    And discussion panels.....
    I'm gonna ready-up me some filibusters

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    If I owned this dictatorship, I would be benevolent toward you. I thought it was funny. I know you don't actually like Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    There must be some committees and have plenty of meetings about this.

    and at least one poll.
    With plenty of options. And multiple choices. As a politician, I don't want to be pinned down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    With plenty of options.
    Sub-options, indices and appendix's too...

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    Motion to challenge the competency of the Jury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Motion to challenge the competency of the Jury.
    Motion DENIED!

    Voir-dire hasn't been completed yet..



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Motion DENIED!

    Voir-dire hasn't been completed yet..
    Noted. Peremptory Challenge reserved.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-12-2016 at 02:49 PM.

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    Who's the bailiff?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Who's the bailiff?
    Who's the executioner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Who's the bailiff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    He votes hard.




    EDIT: Bailiffs may find familiarity with hose, helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Who's the bailiff?
    Mm. Good idea. We'll likely need a bailiff given that disorder is perceivable. The duty will likely have to fall on a mod to lead disrupters from the Court.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-12-2016 at 03:01 PM.

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