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    Question What happened to Stefan Molyneux?

    Nationalism? White supremacy? Trump?

    Is it an act or is it genuine? Either way, it's shocking.

    Not even going to link the videos.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray N Rothbard View Post
    Nationalism? White supremacy? Trump?

    Is it an act or is it genuine? Either way, it's shocking.

    Not even going to link the videos.
    Are you just now noticing this?

  4. #3
    Kind of a weird thing to be shocked about with that screen name. This has been par for the course for the last 25 years for people making their living through libertarianism.

  5. #4
    Is this because of the thing with Jared Taylor? Who cares?
    I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States...When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, I will rout you out!

    Andrew Jackson, 1834

  6. #5
    He's been going in this direction ever since his cancer scare, or so I've noticed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

  7. #6
    says he seeks truth where ever that leads

    maybe he is ahead of the mainstream version of truth...

    Why not call into his show and just 'splain him?

  8. #7
    Just finding his ni¢he market.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Murray N Rothbard View Post
    Nationalism? White supremacy? Trump?

    Is it an act or is it genuine? Either way, it's shocking.

    Not even going to link the videos.
    Molyneux likes Trump? Huh. May have to start watching his show.
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    Stefan Moleneux philosophy vs Stefan Moleneux in politics look very different.

    He is a very conservative individual and is for law and order.

    I think a lot of libertarians and anarchists couple of years back were shocked in horror when he gave an example how people would be controlled in anarchist society. They were saying his vision is worse than what we have now. I read through that and I personally liked his view.

    What I am noticing there are a lot of naive people who think that they can have what they want without sacrifice. You want no police overreach? Then how are you going to provide the same level of security? Don't want security? Well there are a lot of people that do. How are you going to deal with them? Are you going to fight them? Is that worth it? People just do not take extra steps to go through all the consequences.

    So an anarchist that is practical and is engaged in political action does not necessarily have to be liberal pussy. He may be a conservative down to earth guy. He may prefer police patrols in bad areas if asked about what needs to be done right this minute. He may prefer peaceful child rearing for the long term.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Stefan Moleneux philosophy vs Stefan Moleneux in politics look very different.

    He is a very conservative individual and is for law and order.

    I think a lot of libertarians and anarchists couple of years back were shocked in horror when he gave an example how people would be controlled in anarchist society. They were saying his vision is worse than what we have now. I read through that and I personally liked his view.

    What I am noticing there are a lot of naive people who think that they can have what they want without sacrifice. You want no police overreach? Then how are you going to provide the same level of security? Don't want security? Well there are a lot of people that do. How are you going to deal with them? Are you going to fight them? Is that worth it? People just do not take extra steps to go through all the consequences.

    So an anarchist that is practical and is engaged in political action does not necessarily have to be liberal pussy. He may be a conservative down to earth guy. He may prefer police patrols in bad areas if asked about what needs to be done right this minute. He may prefer peaceful child rearing for the long term.
    You are not describing a anarchist, you seem to be confused or are having a severe case of cognitive dissonance.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You are not describing a anarchist, you seem to be confused or are having a severe case of cognitive dissonance.
    No I do not. Your vision for anarchy is naive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    No I do not. Your vision for anarchy is naive.
    Well, your version does seem to be a bit more....complex, I'll grant you that.
    "The Patriarch"

  15. #13
    Nothing happened. He's still a dumbass.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Nothing happened. He's still a dumbass.
    Thank you, couldn't give any more rep though
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

    I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Nothing happened. He's still a dumbass.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Thank you, couldn't give any more rep though
    The triggering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

  18. #16
    he's going into a deep depression because of that weird mouth thing going on.

    can't blame him.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 07-11-2016 at 07:56 PM.



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    It's hard to boil down 50+ hours worth of podcasts into a single post.. but..

    Essentially his old view was that we had a lot of time and what we needed to focus on to have a more free society was peaceful parenting - parenting that focuses on shaping your children by providing reason, evidence and a sense of empathy in their decisions rather than molding them through violence.

    But now with the immigrant crisis in Europe, and what is happening in the US with the free fall toward socialism he thinks we may end up losing the war if we don't step up.

    You will want to watch some of his presentations on r vs. K mating strategies, this is really important in understanding the current societal family dynamic. But essentially Europeans had a largely K based mating strategy where there was a lot of investment into children, and cultures that come from closer to the equator tend to be predispositioned for r mating strategies which have far less investment in children. But r vs. K mating strategies can be inborn, they can also change due to environmental factors where they become programmed epigenenitcally, and it can also be influenced mentally through experiences and discussion with others. It's really a fascinating topic, I recommend you dig into some of his videos about it.

    Welfare societies promote r mating strategies not only by providing 'infinite resources' (enough grass to survive), but also by creating single parent households. So we are already sliding down the slippery slope into an r dominated society, and now we have a government subsidized program called "immigration" that is bringing predominantly r cultures on a large scale.

    His fear is that our country will be overwhelmed with socialist voters, brought in by the socialist system, and that the K mating strategy will continue a vast decline along with the last of our freedoms.

    He isn't racist - he doesn't hate brown people - he just sees how the system is bringing down society with this multi-pronged attack and is trying to throw a wrench in it before we are too far gone.

    He has guests on who discuss race and IQ, and claims that the data seems to point to different races (or whatever you want to call what most people refer to as races, or in some cases cultures) have different IQs. Is this racist? I don't think so, I don't think facts can be racist. But if these different groups have different IQs, and IQ is tied to income, then it would be reasonable to expect some groups to do better economically than others. However, the current leftist narrative, and what most blacks and latinos are told is that the reason why they are suffering economically is due to white racism. This turns whites into scapegoats, when in fact, asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs and higher incomes. So if we can recognize this dynamic, these communities can begin to focus on what they can do to better themselves, because currently they believe that as long as whites are racist they will never be able to come up. They focus on wealth distribution because they believe they deserve it for the way white people are.

    He believes we need to all recognize the values that bring people prosperity, liberty and stable societies. Throwing people of European descent under the bus does the opposite because it was Europeans who ended slavery around the globe and helped fight for the concepts of religious, economic and personal liberty that resulted in the prosperity we have seen in the last couple hundred years or so.

    Did you know that Muslims had tens of millions of black slaves, who they castrated? Why is it that white people get all the flack for slavery when it was a worldwide phenomenon that white people went out and fought and died for to help end?

    He has also done some pretty good videos on how things like western imperialism have been way overly demonized that are worth checking out.

    He is still an anarchist, he is just using this nationalism thing as self defense against what he believes in an eminent attack.
    Last edited by dannno; 07-11-2016 at 07:35 PM.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    The triggering.
    Yeah I am triggered by seeing a Trump supporter on Ron Paul Forums with a Snowden "Hero" avatar.
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

    I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.

  22. #19
    If you've listened to his shows from the very beginning like I have, you've heard a certain kind of person frankly share his development (and sometimes deterioration) through dealing with a difficult upbringing, professional transitions, emergence into fatherhood, health adversity, etc.

    He's a very interesting commentator and, just like anybody, an individual with his own affinities and proclivities. He mistakenly believes that his observations have universal applicability, even when his convictions and principles morph from one POV to another from year to year. As a result, he's never had ironclad credibility except among the most credulous. But alienated INTJ's like me can at least build a certain empathy for his concerns.

    At the moment (as dannno notes), Stef is promoting what he has determined to be a desperately necessary pragmatic step to save the world. However, I think he's misreading himself. What we've been hearing is the diary of a guy with a simple and intense man-crush for the Orange One. No more, no less.
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    The triggering.
    I am sorry that I triggered you. It was not intentional.































































    Get well soon.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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  24. #21
    I dig his videos. Thumbs up to stephan.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xar View Post
    I dig his videos. Thumbs up to stephan.
    excuse me.
    and though I seriously like a few things he says,, i disagree with even more.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xar View Post
    I dig his videos. Thumbs up to stephan.
    Yup, me too. His videos are well-sourced. But, some people get upset because they don't like the facts in his videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yup, me too. His videos are well-sourced. But, some people get upset because they don't like the facts in his videos.
    They are smarter than facts.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Molyneux likes Trump? Huh. May have to start watching his show.
    That guy does not even have an American name .

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's hard to boil down 50+ hours worth of podcasts into a single post.. but..

    Essentially his old view was that we had a lot of time and what we needed to focus on to have a more free society was peaceful parenting - parenting that focuses on shaping your children by providing reason, evidence and a sense of empathy in their decisions rather than molding them through violence.

    But now with the immigrant crisis in Europe, and what is happening in the US with the free fall toward socialism he thinks we may end up losing the war if we don't step up.

    You will want to watch some of his presentations on r vs. K mating strategies, this is really important in understanding the current societal family dynamic. But essentially Europeans had a largely K based mating strategy where there was a lot of investment into children, and cultures that come from closer to the equator tend to be predispositioned for r mating strategies which have far less investment in children. But r vs. K mating strategies can be inborn, they can also change due to environmental factors where they become programmed epigenenitcally, and it can also be influenced mentally through experiences and discussion with others. It's really a fascinating topic, I recommend you dig into some of his videos about it.

    Welfare societies promote r mating strategies not only by providing 'infinite resources' (enough grass to survive), but also by creating single parent households. So we are already sliding down the slippery slope into an r dominated society, and now we have a government subsidized program called "immigration" that is bringing predominantly r cultures on a large scale.

    His fear is that our country will be overwhelmed with socialist voters, brought in by the socialist system, and that the K mating strategy will continue a vast decline along with the last of our freedoms.

    He isn't racist - he doesn't hate brown people - he just sees how the system is bringing down society with this multi-pronged attack and is trying to throw a wrench in it before we are too far gone.

    He has guests on who discuss race and IQ, and claims that the data seems to point to different races (or whatever you want to call what most people refer to as races, or in some cases cultures) have different IQs. Is this racist? I don't think so, I don't think facts can be racist. But if these different groups have different IQs, and IQ is tied to income, then it would be reasonable to expect some groups to do better economically than others. However, the current leftist narrative, and what most blacks and latinos are told is that the reason why they are suffering economically is due to white racism. This turns whites into scapegoats, when in fact, asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs and higher incomes. So if we can recognize this dynamic, these communities can begin to focus on what they can do to better themselves, because currently they believe that as long as whites are racist they will never be able to come up. They focus on wealth distribution because they believe they deserve it for the way white people are.

    He believes we need to all recognize the values that bring people prosperity, liberty and stable societies. Throwing people of European descent under the bus does the opposite because it was Europeans who ended slavery around the globe and helped fight for the concepts of religious, economic and personal liberty that resulted in the prosperity we have seen in the last couple hundred years or so.

    Did you know that Muslims had tens of millions of black slaves, who they castrated? Why is it that white people get all the flack for slavery when it was a worldwide phenomenon that white people went out and fought and died for to help end?

    He has also done some pretty good videos on how things like western imperialism have been way overly demonized that are worth checking out.

    He is still an anarchist, he is just using this nationalism thing as self defense against what he believes in an eminent attack.
    The first war is already lost.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    That guy does not even have an American name .
    I can't pronounce it. My son has to correct me. I've listened to a few of his videos in the past but not recently. They were alright but his voice gets on my nerves.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  32. #28
    That's not an argument.

    lol

    (moll-in-new)

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I can't pronounce it. My son has to correct me. I've listened to a few of his videos in the past but not recently. They were alright but his voice gets on my nerves.
    Molly-new

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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  34. #30
    He's bucking the safe space trend. I approve. If this decision doesn't increase the size of his audience, it will at least bring some taboo discussion to the show. I doubt he would buck the trend very much though.

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