The Truth about Black Lives Matter

[puppetmaster]

Don't be afraid to speak your mind. It's no secret that there are a lot of white nationalists masquerading as libertarians, even on this forum. You can tell where their priorities lie when they would rather denigrate a movement against police injustice and deny the reality of the disparities you noted, instead of making allies with people who share common ground and being inviting to the black community.

I am white...yes. I also would like a strong responsible free nation where ALL citizens are treated equally. I beleive in a sovereign nation with limited government and limited immigration. When did nationalist become a bad word? I suppose to globalist liberals it would be threatening.


BLM has set race relations back more than obozo or the police have.

[cajuncocoa]

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[Ender]

I'm asking to be flamed, but I just want to be 100% honest. Where is the outrage that a police officer killed someone that was legally carrying a firearm, his right? It is sad that BLM is denigrated in the conservative/libertarian community when black people continue to discriminated, killed, and imprisoned at a much higher rate. We live in a country where black lives truly have a lower value, we should be outraged. I'm not a libtard, you can see my past posts as proof of that, I'm just infuriated that conservative movements apparently live up to their 'white nationalist' stereotypes.

Like any sane person I want the debt paid down, I want to pay less taxes, I think the government is over funded and over reaches in our lives. How is challenging the system (which we disdain) to make all lives have equal value counter to any of our core values? Just look at the TV, black people are dehumanized every day and are painted as 'cool and dangerous.'

Yep.

We all scream for someone to do something but when someone does something that's not our perfect choice, we become outraged.

It is time for all Liberty-lovers to stand together and say STOP to the Machine that we are all imprisoned in.

[Zippyjuan]

If you had taken the time to notice, which you clearly did not from your comment, Molyneux sources each of the stats he gives. You can see the bibliography under the video on the youtube page.

I did not watch that specific video but he does distort facts and mis-represent them to support his version of the "truth". I can't stand watching him.

[LibertyEagle]

I did not watch that specific video but he does distort facts and mis-represent them to support his version of the "truth". I can't stand watching him.

I haven't found him to do that at all. I don't think you like what he points out and backs up.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm asking to be flamed, but I just want to be 100% honest. Where is the outrage that a police officer killed someone that was legally carrying a firearm, his right?

I don't think we have all the facts on this yet. We have not seen what happened prior to the shooting, or as the shooting was taking place. We do know however, that his girlfriend lied about several things. We do know that the cops were looking for the person who had robbed a convenience store in the area. It may turn out like you say, but there is more that needs to be discovered. https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-118476

It is sad that BLM is denigrated in the conservative/libertarian community when black people continue to discriminated, killed, and imprisoned at a much higher rate.

Blacks commit more crime. That is why they are imprisoned at a higher rate.

We live in a country where black lives truly have a lower value, we should be outraged.

Again, blacks commit far more crime. Is it because so many black fathers are in prison and not around to raise their children? Does subsidizing women to have babies out-of-wedlock also contribute to the problem? I don't know. Do you?

Why is it that blacks are not outraged that the overwhelming number of blacks who lose their lives each year, lose them at the hands of other blacks? Where is the outrage?

I'm not a libtard, you can see my past posts as proof of that, I'm just infuriated that conservative movements apparently live up to their 'white nationalist' stereotypes.

Is it possible that you consider a white person, who does not hate themselves for being white or have white guilt, a "white nationalist"?

Like any sane person I want the debt paid down, I want to pay less taxes, I think the government is over funded and over reaches in our lives. How is challenging the system (which we disdain) to make all lives have equal value counter to any of our core values? Just look at the TV, black people are dehumanized every day and are painted as 'cool and dangerous.'

Actually, what I see constantly are claims that whites should hate themselves and should consider killing themselves. Things like the knockout game have been suppressed by national media, because it doesn't paint the narrative that the media wants portrayed. Yes, blacks are being played by the powers-that-be. What are you doing to stop that? Anything? Watch this and you will see the actual stats on crimes. Until we face facts, we are all going to be falling for whatever narrative the MSM wants to feed us. Then, maybe we can figure out what to do about it and move forward, together.



https://board.freedomainradio.com/to...h-about-crime/

[AuH20]

Exactly.

The average BLM member wants fictional cop Shaft to appear and execute George Zimmerman's whole family with out Trial.

Justice or Just Us.

Pretty much. A large plurality want to outlaw the remainder of the Constitution and have the white devils on leashes.

BLM isn't driven solely by cop outrage. In fact, the cop abuse is a just a minor issue, so they can permanently codify cultural Marxism into our entire government and by extension, our personal lives as well.

[AuH20]

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Isn't that what White Nationalists also do?

Yes, in some cases at least. Did you really expect me to disagree with that? It shows how little you grasp anything I actually believe.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I did not watch that specific video but he does distort facts and mis-represent them to support his version of the "truth". I can't stand watching him.

That is rich coming from you. I'm not a huge fan of Molyneux as a philosopher, but his "The Truth About _______" series is always very well-sourced and thorough. Do give an example of that which you accuse him.

[KrokHead]

Why is it that blacks are not outraged that the overwhelming number of blacks who lose their lives each year, lose them at the hands of other blacks? Where is the outrage?

I'm not the mouthpiece of the black community (I'm just some white guy on the internet) but at least I'll speak from experience. The church I go to in South Ozone Park does have violence awareness and "save our children" that brings attention and outrage to the issue of violence and drugs in the neighborhood. I know they have this in NYC and the West Indies, I assume this occurs across the country but I am too lazy to research it.

Is it possible that you consider a white person, who does not hate themselves for being white or have white guilt, a "white nationalist"?

I like being white, there's nothing wrong with it. At least I don't live in a society where I have to battle to maintain my whiteness, or be judged for being white. In the end of the day this country has a massive fiscal problem, which is paramount to all the other issues we spread ourselves thin in.

[cajuncocoa]

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Did highly respected Freedom Medal winner neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson MD cross the line in his charcterization of BLM?





Ben Carson slams “sickening” Black Lives Matter movement for “bullying people”

The surging presidential hopeful links the movement to a favorite bugaboo -- "political correctness"

In a move sure to catapult him to the top of Bill O’Reilly’s most favored list, Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson blasted Black Lives Matter for “bullying people” and slammed the movement’s motto as “sickening.”

When the conservative former neurosurgeon traveled to Ferguson, Missouri this past Friday, September 11, CBS’s Major Garret rode along with the rising Republican on Carson’s first visit to the city. Seated besides embattled Ferguson Mayor James Knowler, Carson took the opportunity to lash out at the Black Lives Matter that was borne out of the August 2014 shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/14/ben_...llying_people/

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Wrong. I knew you'd have to agree with it.

Yeah, sure. If I disagreed, you'd say the opposite,

And if you were honest, you'd drop "in some cases at least."

So you actually think that white nationalists are wrong about everything they say all the time? That is literally impossible.

Shows how little you grasp about what you believe.

What is this babble? You actually think you understand what I believe better than I do? I doubt you could accurately describe my opinions about anything.

[cajuncocoa]

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[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I could say the same for you.

That makes no sense in this context.

I didn't say they were wrong about everything. I wasn't referring to the "fabrication" part of your statement...I was referring to this part of your original statement:

"They're "standing up" because of tribal loyalties" - you originally said that about BLM and I replied "Isn't that what White Nationalists also do?" You then replied "Yes, in some cases at least. Did you really expect me to disagree with that? It shows how little you grasp anything I actually believe." Hence, my comment "Wrong. I knew you'd have to agree with it. And if you were honest, you'd drop 'in some cases at least.' Shows how little you grasp about what you believe." << Nothing there about the fabrication part of your comment.

Fine, but white nationalists are open about being for their ethnic/tribal interests. None of them would deny that. BLM is an anti-white, anti-Western, intersectional leftist movement but pretends to be a civil rights movement. It's not about police brutality or holding law enforcement accountable; it's about pushing Afro-centric leftism. BLM is probably the first leftist intersectional mass-movement, and it's already wreaking havoc. Look at the path of destruction these cretins have left in universities like Mizzou. They're not going to stop if people keep kowtowing to them.

It's babble to counter your babble.

Of course I don't understand your opinions. I don't even pretend to understand white nationalist's opinions. Not at all.

First of all, I am not a white nationalist. I am a techno-futurist, Neoreactionary, Heathian anarchist. Most WNs would probably consider me a "race-traitor".

Secondly, if you don't understand white nationalist opinions, it's because you aren't smart enough. I understand Keynesians, Marxists, left-anarchists and any number of others I disagree with. How do you even know what you disagree with or why if you don't understand your opponents?

[cajuncocoa]

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[ThePaleoLibertarian]

@ThePaleoLibertarian you can deny what you are, but your posts speak for themselves. If you can't/won't admit at least that much, there's no point in having a discussion with you because you're not being honest. Techno-futurist -- LOL.

I have always been entirely honest about what I believe and what my values are. I haven't exactly been quiet about my controversial opinions during my RPF tenure.

White nationalists:
Ethno-state
Anti-capitalist (often, at least)
Ethno-socialism
Populism
In-group egalitarianism
Love of white proles

I reject all of those things. As I said, most WNs would call me a "race-traitor". You cannot rationally demonstrate how I am a white nationalist; it's just a pejorative.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Techno-futurist -- LOL.

Yep:

http://www.xenosystems.net/neoreaction-for-dummies/

Yet another thing you don't understand.

[AuH20]

It's called a sickness of the mind.

[AuH20]

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

It's called a sickness of the mind.

"If you don't be givin us dat paypa, you be racis!"

It really is a shame that the name of that cretin was redacted. This is who @Antischism are defending, while calling other people un-libertarian. What a joke.

[Madison320]

Jeez, so tired of this $#@!. White (especially white males) are discriminated against everywhere you look these days. Heard of affirmative action? One of my cousins just retired, he had to delay his employment to become a cop because he was white. College educated in criminal affairs.

Schools, jobs, welfare benefits, you name it. In my profession where technical knowledge and skill are easily measured, you still earn more if you are not white or have a vagina.

I agree. I might have some sympathy for the whole race thing except that it's being forced down my throat at gunpoint. Affirmative action and discrimination laws in particular.

I'm skeptical of the whole "Racist movement". My guess is that most of the outrage is really just an attempt to get some easy money. How does Al Sharpton make a living? It reminds me of the global warming movement. Both groups are trying to force their solutions at gunpoint and both are in it for the money.

[AuH20]

"If you don't be givin us dat paypa, you be racis!"

It really is a shame that the name of that cretin was redacted. This is who @Antischism are defending, while calling other people un-libertarian. What a joke.

White people don't really own anything, when you think about it. We're not exempt from property taxes. Some of these blacks have been misled into thinking that whites live in a perpetual land of milk and honey. It's rather quite sad.

[Mach]

[dannno]

[AuH20]

The CIA is real busy these days.

[ronpaulhawaii]

lol @ seeing LE use Jones and Molyneux "sources". Not laughing at the racist BS this thread exposes.

"Nice" #RaceBaiting, LE...

[LibertyEagle]

lol @ seeing LE use Jones and Molyneux "sources". Not laughing at the racist BS this thread exposes.

"Nice" #RaceBaiting, LE...

Clearly, you didn't take the time to watch the videos. Why am I not surprised?

Facts aren't racist or non-racist. They are just facts. How you use then, however, may be. But, having a hissy fit and throwing the race card is nothing but childish. Grow up.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I watched the infowars one until I saw him plying statistics.

How can 13 unarmed Blacks killed by police be the same percentage (3%) as the 17 unarmed whites if the population is only 13% black?

And the whole "Black on Black crime" thing is a stinky Red Herring, anyway.