Gary Johnson 2016 over the hillaries(hillary/trump)!!Spread the websites far and wide

[acptulsa]

And he's patently wrong in making that claim. And so are you if you're in agreement with the claim. You're talking about the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty here. Even if you don't think that you are, you are. And that isn't minimal in comparison to anything. Nothing.

Well, you know, in a Republic you have to balance a businessman's right to refuse service to anyone against a minority's right to be reprehensible, so long as they don't harm anyone in the process. So, it's more of a gray area than you and William Tell make it seem. Not that I disagree with either of you on the subject. I don't. I just see a gray area in it you don't.

It isn't the particle of Johnson's personality that convinces me he's as evil as Clinton and Trump. I haven't found that yet. I think Johnson's good enough that they'd shoot him if he won, and make do with Weld.

Any way you slice it, this two party duopoly is a far greater threat to our liberty than Johnson's desire to make bakers bake, IMO. And if Johnson can kiss enough progressive and sane GOP ass to break it...

[Natural Citizen]

Well, you know, in a Republic you have to balance a businessman's right to refuse service to anyone against a minority's right to be reprehensible, so long as they don't harm anyone in the process. So, it's more of a gray area than you and William Tell make it seem. Not that I disagree with either of you on the subject. I don't. I just see a gray area in it you don't.

It isn't the particle of Johnson's personality that convinces me he's as evil as Clinton and Trump. I haven't found that yet. I think Johnson's good enough that they'd shoot him if he won, and make do with Weld.

Any way you slice it, this two party duopoly is a far greater threat to our liberty than Johnson's desire to make bakers bake, IMO. And if Johnson can kiss enough progressive and sane GOP ass to break it...

Okay. Start a thread on this. Seriously. Move it out of here and I'll discuss my thoughts on it with you.

I don't really want to derail the op too much either. But this is an important topic in terms of being on the same page with the principles that define, as you mention, our Republic. Specifically this gray area you mention.

To be clear, though, I don't really care about Johnson. I'm talking about the other stuff.

[speciallyblend]

You're patently wrong about that. And it's a reckless assessment in scope.

While I agree with you that the issues you've provided for comparison are critical, they are not beyond the critical scope of the former. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not any day.

the cake issue isnt an issue that will make me vote for authoritarian crazys like trump/hillary that was the point.

[speciallyblend]

Yep. To ignore that particular issue is akin to acting contradictory of the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty itself.

i agree but in principle there is nothing hitlary or trumphoon offer to any principle but ignoring rule of law and continuing failed policy of authoritarianism. there is not one selling point that hillary or trump say that can beat the principles of gary johnson and his record.

[speciallyblend]

i need someone to help do some research so i can outreach these sites to anti trump and anti hillary voters, something around 100-200 to start off with, any help would be helpful especially someone well versed in online marketing, thank you please im me or message me on rpf, we have to win for gary johnson and get him on the debate stage as trump or hillary are not an option and we are screwed either way with those fools(trump/hillary)!!!!!

also anyone who wants to market the sites themselves can do so , sinceraly kenny run with it however you need to, but i still could use some help thank you again.

[puppetmaster]

non issue when compared to forced extortion healthcare, spying on americans and failed foreign policy so bake the f in cake or don't open. if that is your issue then yeah i can deal with that. bigger issues then baking a cake Gary johnson over authoritarians like trump/hillary . if you want perfection then you run or ask jesus to. I'll bake the nazi cake if you won't i guess i will vote for trump or hillary now since you have to bake a cake/s so baking a cake is a deal breaker eh? i can find a long list of better deal breakers with liars like trump or hillary both liberals. Gary Johnson over the hillaries(trump/hillary)

Telling a private business to bake a cake is authoritarian

[speciallyblend]

Telling a private business to bake a cake is authoritarian

if you are trying to tell me trump or hillary are less authoritarian then gary on issues , that is my point i understand what your saying but if you are gonna vote trump or hillary over baked cakes? considering the fools trump and hillary are, then i cant help you or the system. go ahead let trump and hilalry rule over your big issue of baked cakes haha trump and hillary are far worse then gary and $#@! the cakes

[speciallyblend]

you win i will support hillary or trump because of baked cakes you got me :P you guys crack me up, it is a deal breaker screw gary im supporting trump/hillary over baked cakes not!!!

[speciallyblend]

i need someone to help do some research so i can outreach these sites to anti trump and anti hillary voters, something around 100-200 to start off with, any help would be helpful especially someone well versed in online marketing, thank you please im me or message me on rpf, we have to win for gary johnson and get him on the debate stage as trump or hillary are not an option and we are screwed either way with those fools(trump/hillary)!!!!!

also anyone who wants to market the sites themselves can do so , sinceraly kenny run with it however you need to, but i still could use some help thank you again.

once again anyone want to help, please take the deal breaker of baked cakes and tell trump and hillary to run with it to beat gary, rpf members can be laughable sometimes

[Natural Citizen]

i agree but in principle there is nothing hitlary or trumphoon offer to any principle but ignoring rule of law and continuing failed policy of authoritarianism. there is not one selling point that hillary or trump say that can beat the principles of gary johnson and his record.

Yeah, I know. I was generally speaking to the legitimacy of the fundamental principle. You just happpened to be the one who made the comparison. Which I understand was provided in context with the election itself and your specific project as opposed to overall philosophy. Anyway. Doesn't matter. We already went through it.

[puppetmaster]

if you are trying to tell me trump or hillary are less authoritarian then gary on issues , that is my point i understand what your saying but if you are gonna vote trump or hillary over baked cakes? considering the fools trump and hillary are, then i cant help you or the system. go ahead let trump and hilalry rule over your big issue of baked cakes haha trump and hillary are far worse then gary and $#@! the cakes

no they all sucks.

[speciallyblend]

no they all sucks.

i understand what you are saying i do, but we really have a chance to make a huge impact with 4% more, I still like gary johnson hands over those other 2!

[heavenlyboy34]

I wish the LP would nominate a candidate I could feel good about voting for....

There's still time to help Vermin Supreme win the LP nomination...I think...

[bunklocoempire]

These 2 sites are cross linked if any media wants to interview site creator please im me. thank you kenny, GARY JOHNSON over the hillaries(hillary and trump(hillary with a phallus)) www.hitlary.com and www.trumphoon.com feel free to main page this and sites mods? if you like, We need to defeat trump and hillary or we will all need lots of lube as they F US!! GARY JOHNSON 2016 the only option unless you love big government loving authoritarians!!

A proven RPFer (as I recall) offering to help others resist.
Its not my method of resisting, but the action of actively resisting, presented in Grassroots, sure looks to be there.

Good on you speciallyblend, I could take a lesson.

Post #35 a request for some help, was buried, here it is:

i need someone to help do some research so i can outreach these sites to anti trump and anti hillary voters, something around 100-200 to start off with, any help would be helpful especially someone well versed in online marketing, thank you please im me or message me on rpf, we have to win for gary johnson and get him on the debate stage as trump or hillary are not an option and we are screwed either way with those fools(trump/hillary)!!!!!

also anyone who wants to market the sites themselves can do so , sinceraly kenny run with it however you need to, but i still could use some help thank you again.

[Thor]

Include Gary Johnson in national Presidential polls

https://www.change.org/p/cnn-include...idential-polls

The Commission on Presidential Debates determines whether or not a candidate can be included in the debates based on their performance in five selected national polls. In order to be included in the debates, a candidate must be polling at 15% nationwide. We, the undersigned, believe that Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee for President has a chance to reach that threshold. A recent Fox News poll found Gov. Johnson to have 12% support nationwide and his mainstream media exposure in recent weeks has been unprecedented for a Libertarian Presidential candidate, which means that his support has likely grown. Paired with the fact that polls have consistently shown Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to be among the most polarizing candidates in history, we believe that there is a real opportunity this year for a third-party candidate to make a difference. With the Libertarian Party being the only third party likely to appear on the ballot in all fifty states and the political experience of both Gov. Johnson and his running mate, Governor William Weld, we believe that they are the most likely to capitalize on this opportunity. We urge you to include Governor Johnson in your national polling and help give the American voter another option this November.

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• Rasmussen Reports
• ABC
• CBS
• Washington Post
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• Douglas Schwartz, PhD - Quinnipiac University Poll
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• USA Today

[euphemia]

I agree the cake baking thing is kind of a minor issue - in principle is a pretty important issue but he doesn't want to make things worse, he is just going with the status quo of businesses serving people without discriminating based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.. I agree with GJ it is currently a "black hole" issue that would likely lose the election for a candidate.

The two big issues are his stances on the TPP and also that Hillary is innocent or whatever.. oh, and I don't think he is very good on immigration considering that it is currently a highly subsidized government program.

But he is very libertarian on about 90% of the issues. I will still probably vote for him. I would rather have a libertarian who is a little bit of a globalist than an authoritarian leaning nationalist.. although I think we may be better off with Trump than Hillary, I'm not 100% certain on that, but there is good reason to think he would be.

Nationalism may be preferable to socialism, nationalism is a reaction to all of the forced and subsidized multi-culturalism that is having a lot of negative impacts on western society. But nationalism is not optimal, it's not a solution, more like self defense.

In other words, you think the full force of government should be brought to bear on business owners who have closely held religious principles. You think government should have some war, control some guns, and make the TPP. Those don't sound to me like 90% libertarian. It sounds 100% social liberal and 100% big government.

This is a point I have tried to make here for years. A libertarian is committed to limited government and personal responsibility. He cannot bring the full force of government on anything that is not in its specific enumerated powers.

[dannno]

In other words, you think the full force of government should be brought to bear on business owners who have closely held religious principles. You think government should have some war, control some guns, and make the TPP. Those don't sound to me like 90% libertarian. It sounds 100% social liberal and 100% big government.

This is a point I have tried to make here for years. A libertarian is committed to limited government and personal responsibility. He cannot bring the full force of government on anything that is not in its specific enumerated powers.

No, I don't think any of those things.. in principle you are right.. but there are a lot of other issues that he is libertarian on like taxes and spending, free market economics, drug policy and foreign policy.

Like I said, he doesn't want to make the cake baker situation worse, he is for the status quo, but he could improve things greatly in these other areas. We will at least live to fight another day, and then we can go free the cake bakers.

The TPP he is ok with if it frees up trade, but he is skeptical of these trade deals. I would be ok with it too if it freed up trade, but I am a lot more skeptical about these trade deals than he is, I know they would throw in bad stuff at the end that nobody had time to read before trying to pass it - but it is less likely they would throw those things in if Gary Johnson had to sign it.

[Son_of_Liberty90]

John McAfee should have won, what with the whole cyber security background which is very critical at this point in time. Plus he looks like Tony Stark. Imagine the coverage on that one.

Johnson already tried in 2012.

[RJ Liberty]

John McAfee should have won, what with the whole cyber security background which is very critical at this point in time. Plus he looks like Tony Stark. Imagine the coverage on that one.

We don't have to imagine it. The press was brutal, with the NY Post stating, "Computer-security pioneer John McAfee notoriously went on the lam in 2012 to escape police questioning after the murder of a neighbor in Belize. The heavily armed sometime alleged drug dealer [...]"; Slate saying "McAfee—who fled his own Central American residential compound while under suspicion by the Belizean government for the murder of his neighbor; who openly admits that said compound featured a harem of teenage Belizean sex workers"; and the National Review stating, "McAfee is introduced by “Starchild,” an “erotic service provider” from California who is currently wearing a leopard-print leotard and carrying a matching umbrella. The Libertarian party is a reminder that no one truly grows out of Dungeons and Dragons." Few in the media took McAfee seriously. Johnson, on the other hand, is scoring major media interviews and appearances.

[Krugminator2]

John McAfee should have won, what with the whole cyber security background which is very critical at this point in time. Plus he looks like Tony Stark. Imagine the coverage on that one.

Johnson already tried in 2012.

John McAfee should be in prison. His company MGT is one of the more blatant stock frauds I have ever seen. He is basically a small scale Madoff trying to feverish turn this "company" into something legit. It is all smoke and mirrors. There is more than enough evidence right now for the SEC to take him down. Government incompetence is best thing going for McAfee right now. I could write 10 pages on all of the lies, misrepresentations, and shady people surrounding him and this company.

[Working Poor]

I wish the LP would nominate a candidate I could feel good about voting for....

Would you feel better about voting trump or clinton? I know he is far from perfect but trump and clinton is just a lot closer to horrible. at least Johnson says something about freedom and if he gets in the debate people will her someone talking about freedom.

[Suzanimal]

Would you feel better about voting trump or clinton?

No. I'm not voting for anyone running. I thought about writing in Ron Paul but I'll probably write in None of the Above. I would love NotA to win the popular vote and listen to the talking heads try to spin it.

I know he is far from perfect but trump and clinton is just a lot closer to horrible.

Isn't that the kind of thinking that keeps giving us $#@!ty presidents?

at least Johnson says something about freedom and if he gets in the debate people will her someone talking about freedom.

They won't let him in the debate. His chance to get people talking and thinking is right now, in these interviews, but he's blowing it.

[Thor]

Would you feel better about voting trump or clinton?

No. I'm not voting for anyone running. I thought about writing in Ron Paul but I'll probably write in None of the Above. I would love NotA to win the popular vote and listen to the talking heads try to spin it.

That will show.... nobody.

I know he is far from perfect but trump and clinton is just a lot closer to horrible.

Isn't that the kind of thinking that keeps giving us $#@!ty presidents?

Sure, when the choice is $#@! A or Liar B only. But voting for a pretty good, but not perfect C actually will help take a step closer to an ideal candidate in the future as if C gets elected or gets enough exposure to wake up more people to our ideas. It is a step in the right direction, instead of demanding a higher level of purity and still going no where.

at least Johnson says something about freedom and if he gets in the debate people will her someone talking about freedom.

They won't let him in the debate. His chance to get people talking and thinking is right now, in these interviews, but he's blowing it.

If he gets 15% or more in the polls, he will get in the debates. He is not blowing it interviews currently. He is not "slick" and "polished" but is quirky and real... and might come across a little funky, and might not saying the right things all the time... but he is not "blowing it." Have you seen Hitlary and Trumphoon? And seen what comes out of their pie holes? He can be unpolished against that and still have a good shot.

Have you signed the petition to get him into the polls, to therefore get him into the debates, or is saying NotA is your vote more comforting as he isn't "pure enough"? https://www.change.org/p/cnn-include...idential-polls The petition signers have doubled in the last 20 hours. It is picking up steam.

We have an unprecedented opportunity with the disdain for Hitlary and Trumphoon to expose the world to LP ideas, even if just quasi libertarian. Even if it is LINO (Libertarian In Name Only) it will get people more comfortable with the ideas and name... But it is better to just complain that he isn't good enough, right? Pour a glass of wine and complain about how bad things are... And then 2016 will be just like 1971 and we can remain hidden in our corner, bitching and moaning to the wall. SMFH

$#@!ing herding cats....

www.hitlary.com
www.trumphoon.com

[speciallyblend]

Include Gary Johnson in national Presidential polls

https://www.change.org/p/cnn-include...idential-polls

The Commission on Presidential Debates determines whether or not a candidate can be included in the debates based on their performance in five selected national polls. In order to be included in the debates, a candidate must be polling at 15% nationwide. We, the undersigned, believe that Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee for President has a chance to reach that threshold. A recent Fox News poll found Gov. Johnson to have 12% support nationwide and his mainstream media exposure in recent weeks has been unprecedented for a Libertarian Presidential candidate, which means that his support has likely grown. Paired with the fact that polls have consistently shown Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to be among the most polarizing candidates in history, we believe that there is a real opportunity this year for a third-party candidate to make a difference. With the Libertarian Party being the only third party likely to appear on the ballot in all fifty states and the political experience of both Gov. Johnson and his running mate, Governor William Weld, we believe that they are the most likely to capitalize on this opportunity. We urge you to include Governor Johnson in your national polling and help give the American voter another option this November.

This petition will be delivered to:

• CNN
• Rasmussen Reports
• ABC
• CBS
• Washington Post
• NBC
• Wall Street Journal
• Douglas Schwartz, PhD - Quinnipiac University Poll
• Bridget Jameson - Pew Research Center
• USA Today

just signed what do i have to do to get rpf to get this front page?? $$$$$

[Thor]

Include Gary Johnson in national Presidential polls

https://www.change.org/p/cnn-include...idential-polls

The Commission on Presidential Debates determines whether or not a candidate can be included in the debates based on their performance in five selected national polls. In order to be included in the debates, a candidate must be polling at 15% nationwide. We, the undersigned, believe that Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee for President has a chance to reach that threshold. A recent Fox News poll found Gov. Johnson to have 12% support nationwide and his mainstream media exposure in recent weeks has been unprecedented for a Libertarian Presidential candidate, which means that his support has likely grown. Paired with the fact that polls have consistently shown Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to be among the most polarizing candidates in history, we believe that there is a real opportunity this year for a third-party candidate to make a difference. With the Libertarian Party being the only third party likely to appear on the ballot in all fifty states and the political experience of both Gov. Johnson and his running mate, Governor William Weld, we believe that they are the most likely to capitalize on this opportunity. We urge you to include Governor Johnson in your national polling and help give the American voter another option this November.

This petition will be delivered to:

• CNN
• Rasmussen Reports
• ABC
• CBS
• Washington Post
• NBC
• Wall Street Journal
• Douglas Schwartz, PhD - Quinnipiac University Poll
• Bridget Jameson - Pew Research Center
• USA Today

Over 20,000 signed

[speciallyblend]

ok i am going to run radio ads against trump and hillary in the denver,boulder and mtn markets. anyone who would like to give some ideas or input please contact me . also any mods or rpf that would like to help , i could use your help, override that none of above banner , i will pay. we need gary on that debate stage anyone that cannot see that please stay off this thread and away from the idea wagon ,as we make radio ads and actually do something to win. if you are not voting or supporting gary please go away support trump or something we need real activists. once the radio ads are produced i will give everyone open source to run with the ads. i have 0 time for naysayers!!!

[Natural Citizen]

if you are not voting or supporting gary please go away support trump or something we need real activists....i have 0 time for naysayers!!!

I'll stay out of your thread but I want to respond to this. Gary Jonhnson holds a position that is contrary to the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty. To promote Johnson in the name of Liberty is essentially bastardizing its fundamental principles.

Some people around here may endorse that kind of activism. I don't. And I'll actively oppose it whether it be here or any place else. And I couldn't care less what you or or anyone else thinks about it. You don't get the luxury of promoting someone in the name of Individual Liberty whose positions are contrary to it's primary fundamental principle just because you say you do. You don't. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not any day. The only way you'll continue to do so here without opposition is if people like me get banned for speaking in the name of the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty. So, I'm telling you this respectfully. My intention is not to further stimulate the antagonistic position that you've taken. I'm simply telling you that you won't get a free pass to pass off a candidate in the name of Individual Liberty whose position is contrary to its most fundamental principles.

[Thor]

I'll stay out of your thread but I want to respond to this. Gary Jonhnson holds a position that is contrary to the primary fundamental priciple of Individual Liberty. To promote Johnson in the name of Liberty is essentially bastardizing its fundamental principles.

Some people around here may endorse that kind of activism. I don't. And I'll actively oppose it. And I couldn't care less what you or or anyone else thinks about it. You don't get the luxury of promoting someone in the name of Individual Liberty whose positions are contrary to it's primary fundamental principle just because you say you do. You don't. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not any day. The only way you'll continue to do so here without opposition is if people like me get banned for speaking in the name of the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty.

It's like 1971 all over again. LOL Sitting in our corner, yelling at the wall. FFS.

[Unknownuser]

I wish Ron's people would get solidly behind Johnson. We might be able to make a difference if we did. There is no way Trump or Hillary is going to be good.

I wish Ron Pauls people would have gotten behind Rand Paul.

[Natural Citizen]

It's like 1971 all over again. LOL Sitting in our corner, yelling at the wall. FFS.

No. I've been rather passive on the screwery. I thought the op was rather arrogant in his previous communication when he told those of us who support the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty to go away and just let him have a free pass to promote someone whose position is fundamentally contrary to it.

When preferable "activism" is accepted and understood to be actions that promote presidential candidates who hold positions that are patently contrary to the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty, yet in the name of Individual Liberty, then I think it's time for a reassessment of why we're here.