With at least one and possibly three or four judges being named by the next president, to get confirmed by the senate, is the SCOTUS an issue that you care much about? Will you vote based on the SCOTUS?
Normally I'd say no, but if Hillary is doing it, she'll absolutely appoint some demons who will last forever.
could easily be 5, giving socialists 7-2 majority. Thomas also wants out
Normally it would be, but who knows who Trump might nominate, his positions change like the wind. So no I really don't care this time.
Not as big a deal as many would like it to be. As long as there's no jury checking them, it will produce lots of bad things. Even the "good guys" on SCOTUS have made very bad decisions. SCOTUS is very much a political office, even though the CONstitutionalists would have us believe it's "above" politics enough to adjudicate rationally.
Similar to what hb was saying there, SCOTUS has been ruling administratively in modern time. System of checks and balances has essentially been tossed out the window. Which, of course, is more akin to a Democracy than a Republic. See here for a precise and thorough explanation of the distinction...An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic...which I know that most already grasp but I put it here anyway...for giggles and whatnot
So, then, while SCOTUS was/is an important thing for me, if they continue to act administratively, then, we're still pissing into the wind anyway. Sucks.
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Trump is going to take us into Iran like he promised Israel so im going to be honest here the supreme court can't nuke or bomb anyone or start any wars. Too much power has gone to the exeutive, and I don't see Trump not using it. You can't fix the problems Trump causes, you can't un start word wars. Thats one of those things Trump says he wants to do when he is president, he wants to bring back "winning" war, he thinks the viictors should take the "spoils". Trump doesn't understand what we learned in world war 2- that war can be unwinnable, and we learend after the cold war that trade and trust would always beat anti trade and anti trust.
Well, I don't know about issue. Maybe a concern. SCOTUS is just like a box of chocolates, yada, yada, yada.
Well. Here's the thing about that. When they talk about going into Iran like they've done elsewhere around the world, they'd do well to recall that these are the freaking Persians they're talking about here. They're almost 80 million strong. And they've been around for a very long, long time. In fact, Iran is heir to one of the oldest civilizations in the world. They're no pushover. They've survived much throughout history.Originally Posted by nikcers
Nobody will be walking into Iran with their chest pushed out. Nobody. Have faith in that. And none of these politicians, if they have the sense that God gave a mule, actually believe the hype that they're spewing about getting tough with Iran.
What difference does it make ?
Worry about keeping the house/senate.
"I am a bird"
I don't put my faith in men. To me its not even a doubt whether or not John Mccain would of gone into Iran. That's why I can't complain too much when we didn't elect a republican and we signed an agreement with Iran.
I think that the choice in arming people in the middle east because they want to destroy their government that we don't like was a bad idea, but when I think of the Iraq war, and how much bigger an Iran w ar would be its a no brainer. I'll take drones over Iran any day.
Its where I see John Mccain, and all of his cohorts like Lindsay Graham saying that Trump has a better foreign policy than Hillary. To me Hillary is a neocon, and to me the only matching rhetoric on foreign policy between John Mccain and Donald Trump is Iran.
He's all over the place, that is true. But his list of 11 was at least promising right? It's known that Hillary will shift the court for half a century, isn't the unknown of trump a significant improvement over the known Hillary shift?
I've never worried in past elections. But the overreaching of the Supreme Court and the huge shift that Hillary could accomplish, if elected, is a known quality and a horrible situation in my eyes. That's why I'm posting here to talk this through.
He's probably already fired the staffer who compliled that list for him. It's not possible to predict what Trump might do.
Yes that's possible. But again, it's the known quantity of 'anti-freedom Hillary' a worse option than the 'unknown trump' who might be more or less anti freedom, but, as mentioned, is still unknown.
The correct answer is (or should be to any so-called "liberty" advocate) hell yes.
Agree!
There is no spoon.
The Supreme Court is what makes this the most important election in most of our lifetimes. The Court has been 5-4 mildly "Conservative" for so long that people forget what an activist Liberal Court looks like. If Hillary gets elected, the Court will become 6-3 Liberal. That will have HUGE political ramifications.
First and most obviously, the Second Amendment would be history. Anybody that lives in a Democratic state will see their guns confiscated or be labeled a felon. The First Amendment will mostly be done away with as well. Federal Laws criminalizing any speech the government deems "offensive" will shut down sites like this or force them to move hosting to Russia (if Putin allows it). Hiring on merit will largely be criminalized and racial quotas will be ramped up to unimaginable levels.
In short, the time for political action will be over. For those of us on the Liberty side of the equation, it will be either violent insurrection or slavery.
It is the top of my list reason why I will hold my nose over some issues to vote for Trump for the very reasons stated above.
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Yes the SCOTUS an issue for me. Hillary will do her best to kill the 2nd amendment and that alone makes her a disaster. The last few elections I was resistant to the argument of the SCOTUS, but we are at a critical point with a 4-4 split and I really don't want to see the socialists take over.
There is no doubt that Trump is a statist, but there also is no doubt in my mind that he will appoint better justices that will defend the 2nd amendment.
If we follow up 8 years of Obama with 8 years of Hillary, we will all be screwed... conservatives, libertarians and even liberals, although they are too stupid to figure it out.
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If Jeb Bush was the candidate, then no. But Trump's list dazzled Mike Lee so there is some hope.
If I thought there might be a difference in the types of Judges either of the two leading candidates may get through the Congress, it may matter.
But there isn't a difference.
They will both select judges that believe that the scope of government is whatever government wants it to be. You might get a little better from Johnson, but probably not much.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Hillary will get people like Sontamayor passed through Congress. Trump will get people like Alito. In terms of a making government substantially smaller, no, there isn't much difference. But in terms of the awfulness of the big government we already have and much worse it can get, the difference is huge. Again, if Hillary wins, the 2nd Amendment is history. That is huge deal. This disarmament of a large portion of the U.S. Population is going to have major ramifications moving forward in our attempts to free ourselves. The gutting of the 1st Amendment is going to be huge as well. Government engages in censorship because it works. The ability to shut down anti-government websites and jail anyone who expresses anti-government speech will be a major advantage for the statists. Also consider the recent 4-4 decision blocking Obama's amnesty scheme. If Hillary wins, that vote turns to 6-3 in her favor and she will legally be allowed to import tens, and even hundreds of millions of new voters even if Congress expressly forbids it.
I feel warm & fuzzy inside when the Wise Latina in 7-2 decision; reads a faux-intellectual pro-constution dissent.
Why would I want Prez T to nominate people who defend the ease of bearing arms when I have the wise latina.
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Clinton will appoint judges that will eventually demand 1/2 the white guys where you work are fired.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
SCOTUS is the most important issue. also, Trump is good on both trade and immigration, and he should be able to control, to a degree, the open borders cheap labor Republicans such as Ryan and McConnell. the Dems in Congress are more socialist than Hillary.
expect Hillary to push single payer, universal conscription (in the guise if free college), 70% tax rate. in 2004 voting Kerry was rational, as was Obama 2008. but no rational person would support Hillary.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RonPaulMall again.
WTF gives you that idea? Was it based on his choice of running mate?! Or is it just more of your wishful thinking?
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
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