Trump to give speech on American economic indepence @ 230pmEDT today

[nikcers]

Ask yourself this, if you EVER supported Ron Paul. How do we have a free market if 90 cents out of every dollar in our entire economy goes to entitlements and debt interest. The answer is we don't, and making it harder to leave the country by buidling a wall and making it illegal to say certain stuff on the internet won't help either.

[TheCount]

Ask yourself this, if you EVER supported Ron Paul. How do we have a free market if 90 cents out of every dollar in our entire economy goes to entitlements and debt interest. The answer is we don't, and making it harder to leave the country by buidling a wall and making it illegal to say certain stuff on the internet won't help either.

Someone will be along shortly to tell you that if we spend $500 billion deporting people, and $20 billion building a wall, and then $1 billion per year maintaining the wall, then we could save $10 billion per year, and then everything would be great and we can keep those sweet, sweet entitlements for the chosen peoples.

$10 billion is enough to completely balance the federal budget, right?

[silverhandorder]

Someone will be along shortly to tell you that if we spend $500 billion deporting people, and $20 billion building a wall, and then $1 billion per year maintaining the wall, then we could save $10 billion per year, and then everything would be great and we can keep those sweet, sweet entitlements for the chosen peoples.

$10 billion is enough to completely balance the federal budget, right?

Or cut entitlements to illegals and new immigrants. Watch half turn around and go home.

Then deport every democrat and SHO utopia shall commence. :P

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

[Rad]

Transcript of his speech: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-speech-224891

Trump gets props from me for talking about real issues. Now why couldn't Rand do some of this?

[nikcers]

Transcript of his speech: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-speech-224891

Trump gets props from me for talking about real issues. Now why couldn't Rand do some of this?

Rand doesn't even talk about real issues like Trump, Trump is so brave, Rand would of had to super glue orange peels to his skin to pull this off.

[Krugminator2]

Transcript of his speech: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-speech-224891

Trump gets props from me for talking about real issues. Now why couldn't Rand do some of this?

Oh. Because those aren't real issues. He is an economically illiterate socialist.

That may as well have been a speech from Bernie Sanders.

[William Tell]

And it doesn't mean one shouldn't.

It's unfortunate that you didn't take the same stance with globalist Johnson/Weld. Instead pegging them as "liberty" candidates. Didn't take long for that definition to be twisted out of belief, now did it.

Well, I don't like Johnson or Weld any more than you do. Trump is supported by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. It does not get any worse. Talk about globalists.....

[cajuncocoa]

Or cut entitlements to illegals and new immigrants. Watch half turn around and go home.

Then deport every democrat and SHO utopia shall commence. :P

Now you want to deport democrats too? Who's next?

[Ender]

Trump hasn't laid down one real issue that would make America economically independent.

IF Trump said.......

1. Bring back the gold standard.
2. Get rid of fractional banking.
3. Get rid of heavy fees/taxes/tariffs on businesses and allow real capitalism to prosper.
4. Get out of any global entanglements that hinder local freedom and prosperity.

...... I would think: "Whoa- maybe he does know something about business."

But alas........

[openfire]

Well, I don't like Johnson or Weld any more than you do. Trump is supported by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. It does not get any worse. Talk about globalists.....

And Romney was supported by a Libertarian whose logo sits underneath your avatar. What exactly does that prove?

[TheCount]

Or cut entitlements to illegals and new immigrants. Watch half turn around and go home.

It doesn't matter how many people you deport, there still won't be enough money for your precious entitlements.

[Rad]

Oh. Because those aren't real issues. He is an economically illiterate socialist.

That may as well have been a speech from Bernie Sanders.

I disagree (except for the part about Bernie and I'm not trying to defend Trump's plan), the financial/corporate interest screwing over their American debt/wage slaves is an issue. Protectionism isn't the way to go but continuing this process where a few prosper and the rest pay their gambling debts is unacceptable in my opinion.

[timosman]

148 here.

No one is free from bias blind spot - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_blind_spot

[openfire]

No one is free from bias blind spot - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_blind_spot

I recognize that Trump isn't the perfect candidate, but I also recognize that the only candidate (that I've seen) that is "perfect", was unfortunately never capable of winning. The world has incrementally reached the sad state that we now find ourselves in. Ron Paul was the money shot... Instead we'll just have to settle for blocking TPTB this cycle because frankly, we can't allow another 4-8 years of this entity having free reign in their march towards a globalist totalitarian state.

[Rad]

Rand doesn't even talk about real issues like Trump, Trump is so brave, Rand would of had to super glue orange peels to his skin to pull this off.

Trump is a narcissist. This would be an issue Rand could have promoted but instead he takes a chainsaw to the tax code and wrestles in the mud with Trump, and spreads the "Radical Islam" propaganda. One can agree or disagree but Trump is feeding Paleoconservatives with protectionism and nationalism which they crave. Trump offers a paleocon economic vision. Trumpism works because there was no Ron Paul standing up to him and boldly laying out a competing vision and explanation of who/what/why/how.

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Get out of any global entanglements that hinder local freedom and prosperity.

TPP is a global entanglement that hinders local freedom and prosperity.

[Ender]

TPP is a global entanglement that hinders local freedom and prosperity.

True- but w/o these:

1. Bring back the gold standard.
2. Get rid of fractional banking.
3. Get rid of heavy fees/taxes/tariffs on businesses and allow real capitalism to prosper.

It does no permanent good, by itself, to upgrade the US economy.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, I don't like Johnson or Weld any more than you do. Trump is supported by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. It does not get any worse. Talk about globalists.....

True. That hasn't been lost on me, either.

[LibertyEagle]

True- but w/o these:

1. Bring back the gold standard.
2. Get rid of fractional banking.
3. Get rid of heavy fees/taxes/tariffs on businesses and allow real capitalism to prosper.

It does no permanent good, by itself, to upgrade the US economy.

Which cannot happen without the support of Congress.

Refusing to agree to the TPP and TPA are things a President can do; in addition to renegotiating or getting out of other trade deals entirely.

[CaptUSA]

The consummate salesman. How many dog whistles, empty platitudes and sales "power-words" can they fit into a speech for him?

[Peace&Freedom]

Trump is a narcissist. This would be an issue Rand could have promoted but instead he takes a chainsaw to the tax code and wrestles in the mud with Trump, and spreads the "Radical Islam" propaganda. One can agree or disagree but Trump is feeding Paleoconservatives with protectionism and nationalism which they crave. Trump offers a paleocon economic vision. Trumpism works because there was no Ron Paul standing up to him and boldly laying out a competing vision and explanation of who/what/why/how.

Paleocon and libertarian agendas are fixed, principled (in some ways overlapping) viewpoints that mass voting blocks do not embrace, although they may support elements of. One can be a cultural traditionalist, or in favor of prioritizing national and domestic interests without being a paleocon, which is a coherent agenda held by a core audience. E.g., the center of Trump's trade speech was about opposing globalist leaning deals, not protectionism. What Trump did was engage the broader voting blocs supportive of emphasizing tradition and domestic issues, and show them he was willing to aggressively confront an establishment and media bent on pushing internationalist and social justice warrior agendas.

Trumpism works because he built winning majorities from these larger blocs to succeed in the primary race---not because he is offering a paleocon economic vision. 5% is not 51%. Neither Paul ever sought to expand the core liberty base by seeking to engage cultural traditionalists, and Rand seemed to outright fight the outsider trend. With or without Trump in the race, without building a winning voter coalition or openly fighting the establishment, there was no way either Paul was going to win the primaries. Having a competing vision and the ability to explain it is not enough, unless the candidate also addresses those two strategic elements.

[silverhandorder]

Now you want to deport democrats too? Who's next?

Jk jk.

Trump hasn't laid down one real issue that would make America economically independent.

IF Trump said.......

1. Bring back the gold standard.
2. Get rid of fractional banking.
3. Get rid of heavy fees/taxes/tariffs on businesses and allow real capitalism to prosper.
4. Get out of any global entanglements that hinder local freedom and prosperity.

...... I would think: "Whoa- maybe he does know something about business."

But alas........

10 Billion company knows something about business...

It doesn't matter how many people you deport, there still won't be enough money for your precious entitlements.

I don't want entitlements. 60ish% of Americans do. Talk to them.

[Ender]

Jk jk.

Cool to see the fun side of you.

10 Billion company knows something about business...

Need real proof on that- Trump words don't count.

I don't want entitlements. 60ish% of Americans do. Talk to them

99.9% of Americans are on entitlements. Social Security? Medicaid?

[Ender]

Which cannot happen without the support of Congress.

Refusing to agree to the TPP and TPA are things a President can do; in addition to renegotiating or getting out of other trade deals entirely.

Mmmmm..... no.

JFK already did an EO on real money and I don't believe it has ever been rescinded.

Of course, we all know what happened to him.

[CPUd]

Paleocon and libertarian agendas are fixed, principled (in some ways overlapping) viewpoints that mass voting blocks do not embrace, although they may support elements of. One can be a cultural traditionalist, or in favor of prioritizing national and domestic interests without being a paleocon, which is a coherent agenda held by a core audience. E.g., the center of Trump's trade speech was about opposing globalist leaning deals, not protectionism. What Trump did was engage the broader voting blocs supportive of emphasizing tradition and domestic issues, and show them he was willing to aggressively confront an establishment and media bent on pushing internationalist and social justice warrior agendas.

Trumpism works because he built winning majorities from these larger blocs to succeed in the primary race---not because he is offering a paleocon economic vision. 5% is not 51%. Neither Paul ever sought to expand the core liberty base by seeking to engage cultural traditionalists, and Rand seemed to outright fight the outsider trend. With or without Trump in the race, without building a winning voter coalition or openly fighting the establishment, there was no way either Paul was going to win the primaries. Having a competing vision and the ability to explain it is not enough, unless the candidate also addresses those two strategic elements.

I think you read way too much into it. Trump read some words from a teleprompter in front of a pile of garbage and didn't insult anyone. That counts as news today.

[silverhandorder]

Cool to see the fun side of you.



Need real proof on that- Trump words don't count.

Regardless you can't look at Trump and not say he does not know how to do business. Let's say he owns 100 million. That would still make him someone who knows about business.

All the convulsions people go through to try and say Trump is not rich.

99.9% of Americans are on entitlements. Social Security? Medicaid?

Yes but 40% would vote for Freedom.

[Rad]

Paleocon and libertarian agendas are fixed, principled (in some ways overlapping) viewpoints that mass voting blocks do not embrace, although they may support elements of. One can be a cultural traditionalist, or in favor of prioritizing national and domestic interests without being a paleocon, which is a coherent agenda held by a core audience. E.g., the center of Trump's trade speech was about opposing globalist leaning deals, not protectionism. What Trump did was engage the broader voting blocs supportive of emphasizing tradition and domestic issues, and show them he was willing to aggressively confront an establishment and media bent on pushing internationalist and social justice warrior agendas.

Trumpism works because he built winning majorities from these larger blocs to succeed in the primary race---not because he is offering a paleocon economic vision. 5% is not 51%. Neither Paul ever sought to expand the core liberty base by seeking to engage cultural traditionalists, and Rand seemed to outright fight the outsider trend. With or without Trump in the race, without building a winning voter coalition or openly fighting the establishment, there was no way either Paul was going to win the primaries. Having a competing vision and the ability to explain it is not enough, unless the candidate also addresses those two strategic elements.

I think that 46% is brand recognition, celebrity, and sophism (oratory skills). How is Trump expanding the liberty base beyond pointing out the elite and promising to give the American worker a better deal (promising to fight for the American worker instead of letting the market deal with it)? Ron Paul was prioritizing national and domestic interest. He promised to end the empire, restore the republic, was against globalism (the North American Union), he even sought to protect the American border, and he was going to end the Fed's manipulation of the markets. He was against the globalist agenda. He just wasn't a Jacksonian vehicle that people could get behind.

[CPUd]

I think that 46% is brand recognition, celebrity, and sophism (oratory skills). How is Trump expanding the liberty base beyond pointing out the elite and promising to give the American worker a better deal (promising to fight for the American worker instead of letting the market deal with it)? Ron Paul was prioritizing national and domestic interest. He promised to end the empire, restore the republic, was against globalism (the North American Union), he even sought to protect the American border, and he was going to end the Fed's manipulation of the markets. He was against the globalist agenda. He just wasn't a Jacksonian vehicle that people could get behind.

Trump is not expanding his base, he has 1 core demographic + some bandwagoners who will vote for anyone with a R = 35-40% of the general electorate. If he tries to expand his base by refraining from saying stupid $#@! on purpose, he will lose that core demo, which is starting to happen now. Any of those candidates not named Bush could have done what he did and won the primary, there are good reasons why they didn't. Trump lost the general election in order to win the primary.

[nikcers]

Jk jk.



10 Billion company knows something about business...



I don't want entitlements. 60ish% of Americans do. Talk to them.

Wow, I'm really starting to think that Trump is the anti intellectual candidate rather then the anti establishment candidate.


A "10 billion dollar company" is not a person, at the very best said rhetorical "10 billion dollar company" might crowd sources all of their information and at the worst they have mob mentality. At the very best you could say you are being vague here, but I don't think you know how companies work if you think that generic businesses just have some sort of proprietary monopoly knowledge on different markets then I have a pyramid scam to sell you. Do you think blockbuster was just dumb at business and thats why they didn't buy Netflix?