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Thread: The bleeding edge: Neo-Nazis vs. Anarchists [Sacramento]

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    The bleeding edge: Neo-Nazis vs. Anarchists [Sacramento]

    More than anywhere in the US, California is the leading edge of globalist change. It appears that a group described as "neo-Nazis" had a confrontation with protestors described as "anarchists" today in Sacramento. That was the actual description on a news broadcast. No doubt the titles are misleading. It is safe to assume that the protestors are essentially the same types that protested a couple of Trump rallies. The news was astute enough to use footage showing an actual anarchist flag being waved.

    There was blood, so bleeding edge seems to be appropriate.

    7 stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento


    There were no good images of the "neo-Nazis", but the news assured us that the SPLC has properly categorized them as such. Who knows? Never heard of the idiots.

    Below is the flag some protestors had. Suppose it is consistent with other communist groups that had signs at the previous Trump protests. Interestingly, doing a Google image search on "anarchist flag" only brings back this one.

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    Anarcho-syndicalist flag

    The red-and-black diagonal flag originated with anarcho-syndicalists in the Spanish Civil War. Anarcho-syndicalism is a branch of anarchism that advocates revolutionary industrial unionism as a means to replace capitalism and the state with a democratically managed stateless society. The red-and-black flag is also used by anarcho-communists, who advocate the abolition of capitalism, the state, wages, and private property ownership in favor of collective ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, voluntary associations, and workers' councils. Anarcho-communists believe in the guiding principle “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
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    Anarchists are very special..
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    hahahaha 'democratically managed stateless society'.... that $#@! is funny.

    This really reminds me of the 'antifascists and anarchist' from Europe that I've been seeing on the youtube. And the media and police are so complicit in it. The media is reporting this in a way that really admonishes the victims. And the police have been so tolerant on the assault of Trump supporters. They are acting like they want this to be a staple of modern day politics.

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    If they violated the NAP, which in this case they certainly did, they are not my brand of anarchist. If I knew enough of my kind, maybe we could show up to these rallies with the black and yellow and defend whichever side is aggressed upon. Ancap safe zones-cost nothing to get in, but we will take voluntary donations. It does seem like this is becoming common place, after all.
    Last edited by BV2; 06-26-2016 at 10:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3ter_Griffin View Post
    hahahaha 'democratically managed stateless society'.... that $#@! is funny.

    This really reminds me of the 'antifascists and anarchist' from Europe that I've been seeing on the youtube. And the media and police are so complicit in it. The media is reporting this in a way that really admonishes the victims. And the police have been so tolerant on the assault of Trump supporters. They are acting like they want this to be a staple of modern day politics.
    Useful idiots doing violence on behalf of the globalist establishment. They will label them anarchists for now, and when it comes time to crack down on them, they will call them "libertarians".
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    CNN and MSNBC were referring to them as "anti-fascists" which, of course, means communists, which the media would never say.

    I'm sick to see this European crap exploding in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Useful idiots doing violence on behalf of the globalist establishment. They will label them anarchists for now, and when it comes time to crack down on them, they will call them "libertarians".
    Completely agree. My greatest question is if they are an actual arm of the gov or just a product of the culture government has created that they find, as you say, useful.

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    Ca............

    Nuff said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    CNN and MSNBC were referring to them as "anti-fascists" which, of course, means communists, which the media would never say.

    I'm sick to see this European crap exploding in the United States.
    It makes me greatful for Ron Paul and probably even more so RPF. The truth is buried under a lot of $#@! fed by friends, family, teachers, politicians, media, and society in general. I imagine these people notice or 'feel' that something is wrong, but with the inherent belief that 'government = good' their conclusions, solutions, and actions are $#@!ed. I could've easily ended up as one of these $#@!bags.

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    I have some of this neo-nazi garbage in my family in the form of step-nephews, I had to quit going to family functions because believe me, after listening to garbage that these human post-birth abortion candidates spew, you would be considering just putting a hollow point in their brain pan to save the world from the carnage they advocate.

    They are all about “protest against globalization and in defense of the right to free expression”, as long as it agrees with the views they hold, otherwise it is just talk over and shout down the other person, just like the rabid lefties on the other side. They are clueless, think GW was great, and support the very globalists they protest against.

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    Statists vs. anti-Statists, so what's really new? <shrug>

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3ter_Griffin View Post
    Completely agree. My greatest question is if they are an actual arm of the gov or just a product of the culture government has created that they find, as you say, useful.
    "Answer coalition" and other groups were present. Never know who agitates behind the scenes on the left.

    Apparently the neo-Nazi group are really white nationalists. KKK style morons. The very small "Party" holding the "rally" is only a year old, and is the brainchild of a guy named Matthew Heimbach (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trad..._Youth_Network). That douche is so outrageous that it should be no surprise that some are speculating that he is a fake (govt?) plant of some kind. If that were the case, it really would be theater to distract, divide and conquer.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Watched a few videos. Still haven't found anything showing the actual "rally", but lots of the violence. Seems that the leftist protestors essentially bring clubs disguised as flag poles. The RT footage is kind of ironic, as they talk about the neo-Nazis coming prepared for violence, yet the only footage they have to show is the leftists swinging their "flag poles".
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    CNN and MSNBC were referring to them as "anti-fascists" which, of course, means communists, which the media would never say.

    I'm sick to see this European crap exploding in the United States.
    The media is in a pickle. Can't use the words "communists", "socialists" or "leftists", so "anarchists" is always a useful fallback for them. "Anti-fascist" is even better. Gives no clues as to their actual positions or agenda.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Watched a few videos. Still haven't found anything showing the actual "rally", but lots of the violence. Seems that the leftist protestors essentially bring clubs disguised as flag poles. The RT footage is kind of ironic, as they talk about the neo-Nazis coming prepared for violence, yet the only footage they have to show is the leftists swinging their "flag poles".
    The vapid little $#@! they talked to came across worse to me than Southerners in the 50's and 60's as far as her "Run 'em outta town" rhetoric...

    Twas that exact mindset that set about burning crosses...



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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post
    I have some of this neo-nazi garbage in my family in the form of step-nephews, I had to quit going to family functions because believe me, after listening to garbage that these human post-birth abortion candidates spew, you would be considering just putting a hollow point in their brain pan to save the world from the carnage they advocate.

    They are all about “protest against globalization and in defense of the right to free expression”, as long as it agrees with the views they hold, otherwise it is just talk over and shout down the other person, just like the rabid lefties on the other side. They are clueless, think GW was great, and support the very globalists they protest against.
    They need useful idiots on both sides. "Leaders", false or not, need rabid followers on each side to come out for the violence. Otherwise they'd have to put out casting calls. Guess they already have that with professional protesters.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    This is another reason to be cautious about the label anarchist.

    Traditionally, socialism has been so endemic to anarchism as to be almost an essential part of it. Anarcho-capitalism is a recent development that even today makes up a small minority of anarchists. And outside of libertarian circles, to call oneself an anarchist would often lead people to assume you're a socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    This is another reason to be cautious about the label anarchist.

    Traditionally, socialism has been so endemic to anarchism as to be almost an essential part of it. Anarcho-capitalism is a recent development that even today makes up a small minority of anarchists. And outside of libertarian circles, to call oneself an anarchist would often lead people to assume you're a socialist.
    LOL! When people ask, that is what I tell them. Good thing I don't get asked much I guess. I probably look like a socialist too. Crap.

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    Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes FTW!

    Arthur and his trusty servant Patsy "ride" into a field where peasants are
    working. They come up behind a cart which is being dragged by a hunched-over
    peasant in ragged clothing. Patsy slows as they near the cart.

    Arthur: Old Woman!

    The peasant turns around, revealing that he is in fact a man.

    Man: Man!
    Arthur: Man, sorry.... What knight lives in that castle over there?
    Man: I'm thirty-seven!
    Arthur: (suprised) What?
    Man: I'm thirty-seven! I'm not old--
    Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man"...
    Man: Well you could say "Dennis"--
    Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis!
    Man: Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?!
    Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind, you looked--
    Man: Well I object to your...you automatically treat me like an inferior!
    Arthur: Well I *am* king...
    Man: Oh, king, eh, very nice. And 'ow'd you get that, eh?
    (he reaches his destination and stops, dropping the cart)
    By exploiting the workers! By 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma
    which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
    If there's ever going to be any progress,--
    Woman: Dennis! There's some lovely filth down 'ere!
    (noticing Arthur) Oh! 'Ow'd'ja do?
    Arthur: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, king of the Britons. Whose
    castle is that?
    Woman: King of the 'oo?
    Arthur: King of the Britons.
    Woman: 'Oo are the Britons?
    Arthur: Well we all are! We are all Britons! And I am your king.
    Woman: I didn't know we 'ad a king! I thought we were autonomous collective.
    Man: (mad) You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship! A
    self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
    Woman: There you go, bringing class into it again...
    Man: That's what it's all about! If only people would--
    Arthur: Please, *please*, good people, I am in haste! WHO lives in that
    castle?
    Woman: No one lives there.
    Arthur: Then who is your lord?
    Woman: We don't have a lord!
    Arthur: (spurised) What??
    Man: I *told* you! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking
    turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week--

    Arthur: (uninterested) Yes...
    Man: But all the decisions *of* that officer 'ave to be ratified at a
    special bi-weekly meeting--
    Arthur: (perturbed) Yes I see!
    Man: By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs--
    Arthur: (mad) Be quiet!
    Man: But by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major--
    Arthur: (very angry) BE QUIET! I *order* you to be quiet!
    Woman: "Order", eh, 'oo does 'e think 'e is?
    Arthur: I am your king!
    Woman: Well I didn't vote for you!
    Arthur: You don't vote for kings!
    Woman: Well 'ow'd you become king then?
    (holy music up)
    Arthur: The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite,
    held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by
    divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why
    I am your king!
    Man: (laughingly) Listen: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
    is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power
    derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical
    aquatic ceremony!
    Arthur: (yelling) BE QUIET!
    Man: You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some
    watery tart threw a sword at you!!
    Arthur: (coming forward and grabbing the man) Shut *UP*!
    Man: I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just because some
    moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
    Arthur: (throwing the man around) Shut up, will you, SHUT UP!
    Man: Aha! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
    Arthur: SHUT UP!
    Man: (yelling to all the other workers) Come and see the violence inherent
    in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!
    Arthur: (letting go and walking away) Bloody PEASANT!
    Man: Oh, what a giveaway! Did'j'hear that, did'j'hear that, eh? That's
    what I'm all about! Did you see 'im repressing me? You saw it,
    didn't you?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Statists vs. anti-Statists, so what's really new? <shrug>
    who advocate the abolition of capitalism, the state, wages, and private property ownership in favor of collective ownership of the means of production


    Translation: THE STATE, comrade.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    I think we can all agree leftists would not do this in a state that had easy CCW.

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    the unleashing of the Brownshirt.


    did any watch Ukraine ?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    the unleashing of the Brownshirt.


    did any watch Ukraine ?
    Dude the "nazis" had a permit to protest and the leftist did what they did best "Shut it down".



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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    Dude the "nazis" had a permit to protest and the leftist did what they did best "Shut it down".
    "Dude"

    I did not say which phukin' idiots were or were not brownshirts.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    "Dude"

    I did not say which phukin' idiots were or were not brownshirts.
    Valid point, my bad.

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    BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
    Rand Paul 2010

    Booker T. Washington:
    Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
    fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.

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    Those silly children are feeling empowered because of the success they've had against docile, non confrontational, conservatives. They're cocky enough to play their game using 2X2 pine sticks.

    They can get away with that to an extent as long as they keep it confined to the west coast. But I hope they know enough not to try to bring it into flyover country.

    That game isn't played with sticks in the heartland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Watched a few videos. Still haven't found anything showing the actual "rally", but lots of the violence. Seems that the leftist protestors essentially bring clubs disguised as flag poles. The RT footage is kind of ironic, as they talk about the neo-Nazis coming prepared for violence, yet the only footage they have to show is the leftists swinging their "flag poles".
    The neo-nazis apparently disarmed the communists and used their weapons against them. Total tally was 5 communists hospitalized with stab wounds vs only one neo-nazi, which is pretty impressive given the weapons were entirely in the possession of the communists at the start and they outnumbered the neo-nazis nearly 10-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    Brief, but about right, idiots vs idiots, but it served it's purpose. A couple of days of media coverage intended to distract, divide and push the leftist agenda.
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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