Why is the LEFT howling about Brexit and racist/xenophia....

[ChiefJustice]

Okay, you're crazy.

As for this country being good with "handling diversity", the advent of Muslims coming to the US is rather recent so there is no history with integrating a large number of them.

Islam is not compatible with the west and as more Muslims are shipped here that will become more apparent. It is the duty of every good Muslim to spread Islam and when their numbers are large enough that they feel confident in making demands, they do. When that happens, it's too late.

We have just as many people in the US who want to use Muslims as a weapon against the west as they do in Europe and we have politicians who want to facilitate the UN agenda of transferring them here.

What has been done to girls and women in Europe is an atrocity and it shouldn't be brushed off with a "it can't happen here" mentality. Yes, it can. Please tell me why anyone has the right to impose that $#@! on native born American females who, like European females, will be the ones put at risk by having foreigners with a completely different mindset imposed on them. Screw that.

Heh. We won't be agreeing on this topic I can see. I know better than to continue on with you on this. (mod edit)

[nobody's_hero]

Got a source for 1/4 wanting to force everyone else to live under Sharia?

Well we could wait until it's 2/3 but by then it's a moot argument.

Better to close the door sooner than later.

[erowe1]

Well we could wait until it's 2/3 but by then it's a moot argument.

Better to close the door sooner than later.

I doubt that it's as high as 1/4, or 1/10.

And even if it ever did get as high as 2/3, I still don't think it would be moot. Nonmuslims who make up a full third of a society aren't going to let Muslims impose Sharia law on them.

We have a lot more to fear from statists using Islam as a boogey man than we do from Islam.

[FindLiberty]

..... [ POST #12 ] see what the EU is .....

Thanks for posting this, it was a very good video! see post #12

[RandallFan]

Immigrants aren't necessarily in love with freedom. They move from A to B because the standard of living is higher.

The Polish & Mexicans aren't enamored with the culture of the new host country they are moving to. It's mostly economic whether chasing $10/hour or welfare.

[jmdrake]

It's called telling the truth. Heresy, I know.

Islam is not compatible with the west, period. There is nothing wrong with stating that fact. Sure, some Muslims are fine and are more culturally Muslim than devout/observant but a huge amount are devout and like their Islamic culture. The UK has set aside days for women only pool days to appease Muslims. They've removed children's books with pig characters to appease Muslims. Whole sections of towns are controlled by Muslims. None of that is acceptable. When in Rome applies. When people emigrate as individuals, they make a conscious choice to leave one culture behind and adopt another. When they are moved like pawns by the social engineers and these mass immigration projects, it's a different matter. As soon as their numbers get big enough they start demanding the host society adapt to their demands and culture. They are being used as weapons to destroy the west.

We've had Muslims this country and in Europe for a long time. We did not have international Islamic terrorism until the United States under Jimmy Carter started arming Islamic radicals to overthrow the Soviet Union. The CIA went so far as to send textbooks to Afghanistan pushing Islamic radicalization. If radicalization was the "natural" state of Muslims than the CIA had no reason to send the books. Prior to the U.S. misadventure in Afghanistan, when Americans were captured by groups like the PLO they were routinely released. Think of the hijacking that was flown to Entebe. Even this latest shooting really wasn't about homosexuality. I know that's the popular theme pushed by the media. But if you saw the clip on Democracy Now where one of the victims was interviewed she said the killer told them when they were held hostage "I did the because the U.S. is bombing my country." His parents were from Afghanistan. Afghanistan images before and after U.S. interventionism by Jimmy Carter.

[jmdrake]

I keep hearing "racism", "xenophobia", "going backwards...."...

why?

Is it just that sometimes people want to be "free" and others don't?

What is the real benefit of Brexit, and what is the real reason for the vote?

It's sad that even on this forum most people have missed the point. The roots of Brexit go back not to concern over brown people or "mooselums" immigrating in but of money being siphoned out because of white socialist countries like Greece. By making this all about immigration people are letting the socialist failure of Europe off the hook.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

It's an old tactic by leftists. The anti-Soviet nationalists who wanted to be free of the USSR and fought to keep their states independent were called "racists". It was probably the first time that the accusation had been leveled at political opponents on a wide scale, and it's been incredibly effective ever since to the point where even libertarians and conservatives do it. Thankfully, the power the accusation has is on the wane.

[heavenlyboy34]

It's called telling the truth. Heresy, I know.

Islam is not compatible with the west, period. There is nothing wrong with stating that fact. Sure, some Muslims are fine and are more culturally Muslim than devout/observant but a huge amount are devout and like their Islamic culture. The UK has set aside days for women only pool days to appease Muslims. They've removed children's books with pig characters to appease Muslims. Whole sections of towns are controlled by Muslims. None of that is acceptable. When in Rome applies. When people emigrate as individuals, they make a conscious choice to leave one culture behind and adopt another. When they are moved like pawns by the social engineers and these mass immigration projects, it's a different matter. As soon as their numbers get big enough they start demanding the host society adapt to their demands and culture. They are being used as weapons to destroy the west.

Interesting, but...cui bono? If Western culture "dies", productivity will die too. That means the globalist elites don't have as many toys, foodstuffs, money, etc as they would otherwise have.

[Anti Federalist]

Interesting, but...cui bono? If Western culture "dies", productivity will die too. That means the globalist elites don't have as many toys, foodstuffs, money, etc as they would otherwise have.

I don't think they care...besides, like cops, when times get thin, the elites will always have food and fuel.

[susano]

We've had Muslims this country and in Europe for a long time. We did not have international Islamic terrorism until the United States under Jimmy Carter started arming Islamic radicals to overthrow the Soviet Union. The CIA went so far as to send textbooks to Afghanistan pushing Islamic radicalization. If radicalization was the "natural" state of Muslims than the CIA had no reason to send the books. Prior to the U.S. misadventure in Afghanistan, when Americans were captured by groups like the PLO they were routinely released. Think of the hijacking that was flown to Entebe. Even this latest shooting really wasn't about homosexuality. I know that's the popular theme pushed by the media. But if you saw the clip on Democracy Now where one of the victims was interviewed she said the killer told them when they were held hostage "I did the because the U.S. is bombing my country." His parents were from Afghanistan. Afghanistan images before and after U.S. interventionism by Jimmy Carter.

Oh, I'm with you on all of that and I do know the history of when the US created what would become Al Qaeda. I was not talking about radicals and terrorists, though. I'm talking about just plain ole Muslims and Islam. It is not, in any way, shape or form compatible with western culture.

The first I recall Muslims coming here in any numbers was in the late 70s and they were Saudis. I assume the US govt cut some deal with the Saudis to let them come here for education.

[jmdrake]

Oh, I'm with you on all of that and I do know the history of when the US created what would become Al Qaeda. I was not talking about radicals and terrorists, though. I'm talking about just plain ole Muslims and Islam. It is not, in any way, shape or form compatible with western culture.

The first I recall Muslims coming here in any numbers was in the late 70s and they were Saudis. I assume the US govt cut some deal with the Saudis to let them come here for education.

I had a friend from Saudi when I was in college in the late 80s / early 90s. He fit in quite well with the coed blonde bimbos that wanted to jump his bones. I often wished I had fit in half as well as he did. It must have been his Tom Selick mustache that did it.

[susano]

It's sad that even on this forum most people have missed the point. The roots of Brexit go back not to concern over brown people or "mooselums" immigrating in but of money being siphoned out because of white socialist countries like Greece. By making this all about immigration people are letting the socialist failure of Europe off the hook.

I think it was not just one reason and immigration sure was one of them. Globalization (within the EU) and it's effect on the economy was another. Just like in the US, entire classes of people have been marginalized and their jobs eliminated. Good article about it here even though the author, shockingly, ends it as though the very people he writes about, whose lives have been destroyed, should have voted to stay:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

[susano]

Got a source for 1/4 wanting to force everyone else to live under Sharia?

It's actually far worse than 25%

[susano]

I doubt that it's as high as 1/4, or 1/10.

And even if it ever did get as high as 2/3, I still don't think it would be moot. Nonmuslims who make up a full third of a society aren't going to let Muslims impose Sharia law on them.

We have a lot more to fear from statists using Islam as a boogey man than we do from Islam.

Both can be problems and both are. When Scandinavia was homogeneous, it was nearly crime free. Then came multiculturalism (and the immigrants shipped in are all Muslims because the Marxists don't want any Christians) and Sweden now has the second highest per capita incident of rape in the world, just behind some $#@!hole in Africa. A couple of years ago, ALL of the rapes in Denmark were committed by immigrants. The governments, police and media go to great pains to cover it up, usually refusing to reveal who the rapists (and murderers) are lest "racism". They have made a conscious decision to sacrifice their own women and girls on the alter of multiculturalism. With the huge influx of immigrants last year, you saw how that worked for German women when they were sexually assaulted by gangs of immigrants, last new year holiday. For these immigrants, western girls and women are whores for the taking because they aren't covered and are not Muslims.

[susano]

Interesting, but...cui bono? If Western culture "dies", productivity will die too. That means the globalist elites don't have as many toys, foodstuffs, money, etc as they would otherwise have.

The attack on the white Christian west (which is more culturally Christian, at least in Europe, than religious) originated with Bolshevik Jews. They burned thousands of churches and murdered nearly all the clergy. While the hatred stretches all the way back to Jesus Christ, there is a vendetta to get back at the gentiles for running them out of over 100 countries, over the last few hundred years. Not only is there a mountain of information out there confirming this, much of it comes from Jews, themselves, and people considering themselves ex-Jews, like Israeli born and raised Gilad Atzmon.

[susano]

I had a friend from Saudi when I was in college in the late 80s / early 90s. He fit in quite well with the coed blonde bimbos that wanted to jump his bones. I often wished I had fit in half as well as he did. It must have been his Tom Selick mustache that did it.

I dated a couple and knew a bunch of them. They were all party animals. I knew absolutely nothing about Islam back then and I often wonder what became of them after living here for a few years. I'm sure most returned home and live under Sharia with women only seen in public covered in black from head to toe and public beheadings in the local square.

[erowe1]

It's actually far worse than 25%

Almost all of the countries that were above 25% in that chart were Muslim countries.

ETA: Also notice that in Thailand and Russia, which are two noteworthy cases of countries with relatively smaller percentages of the population being Muslims, they note that the question asked there actually stipulated that it was only for Muslim areas of the countries.

[erowe1]

The attack on the white Christian west (which is more culturally Christian, at least in Europe, than religious) originated with Bolshevik Jews.

Where did you learn that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

[erowe1]

A couple of years ago, ALL of the rapes in Denmark were committed by immigrants.

There's no possible way that's true.

Why is it all of your posts reek of propaganda from racist outlets?

[susano]

Almost all of the countries that were above 25% in that chart were Muslim countries.

So what? When they come to the west they bring their religion, which mandates Sharia, with them.

Where did you learn that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

I'm not sure what you think a Wikipedia link is supposed to prove.

The Bolshevik attacks on the Russian Orthodox is not in question.

There's no possible way that's true.

Why is it all of your posts reek of propaganda from racist outlets?

It is true.

Racist? What have I said that's "racist"?

[erowe1]

So what? When they come to the west they bring their religion, which mandates Sharia, with them.

So what? Let them practice sharia, as long as they don't want to impose it on the rest of us.

[erowe1]

I'm not sure what you think a Wikipedia link is supposed to prove.

The Bolshevik attacks on the Russian Orthodox is not in question.

I like how this time you left out the word "Jewish."

[erowe1]

It is true.

Racist? What have I said that's "racist"?

It's not true. If you believe it is, you're extremely gullible. What's your source? I can't wait to find out. And when you provide it, you'll also show us why it looks like it comes from an outlet of racist propaganda, because it actually does.

[GunnyFreedom]

So what? When they come to the west they bring their religion, which mandates Sharia, with them.



I'm not sure what you think a Wikipedia link is supposed to prove.

The Bolshevik attacks on the Russian Orthodox is not in question.



It is true.

Racist? What have I said that's "racist"?

Well, for one, you don't seem to give a damn about the black Christian West or the Brown Christian west, or the red Christian west, you only seem to give a $#@! about the white Christian West. It's people like this that make it damn impossible for reasonable people to have a rational discussion on why unchecked Muslim immigration is dangerous, because every time we bring it up all the other rational people see is idiots pissing and moaning about melanin content in someone's skin.

[susano]

So what? Let them practice sharia, as long as they don't want to impose it on the rest of us.

No. If someone wants to immigrate to a given country and culture, they need to respect the system of that country. Anyone living in a western country should have the full extent of legal rights and protections as everyone else. There are what, 57 Muslim countries? Plenty to choose from for any devout Muslim who wants to live under Sharia.

[susano]

I like how this time you left out the word "Jewish."

What's your hang-up about that? Jews were the intellectual leaders of Bolshevism and they were also murderers. Do you have a problem with acknowledging that fact?

[erowe1]

No. If someone wants to immigrate to a given country and culture, they need to respect the system of that country. Anyone living in a western country should have the full extent of legal rights and protections as everyone else. There are what, 57 Muslim countries? Plenty to choose from for any devout Muslim who wants to live under Sharia.

That's where we differ. I'm not a statist.

[erowe1]

What's your hang-up about that? Jews were the intellectual leaders of Bolshevism and they were also murderers. Do you have a problem with acknowledging that fact?

Yes I do.

Would you care to provide your source?

Again, I can't wait to see what it is. And it's conspicuous how much you are avoiding my repeated requests for the sources of your claims. Might you be embarrassed by them?

[susano]

It's not true. If you believe it is, you're extremely gullible. What's your source? I can't wait to find out. And when you provide it, you'll also show us why it looks like it comes from an outlet of racist propaganda, because it actually does.

It came from a report from their government. It was only one year but in other years the percentage of rapes by immigrants is also insanely high. Whether it's 100 or 75 or 50%, it's too much and these formerly peaceful and nearly crime free countries now have high crime and violence against the indigenous populations. In fact, it's so bad that a few of these countries now have training programs to teach the immigrants that's it's not okay to rape the locals.

Please tell why it's okay to expose European women and girls to this? Why is it alright to allow in people who have ZERO respect for these women and girls and put them at risk in their own countries/homes?