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    While lawmakers in Washington maintain the status quo, failing to take action on even modest gun control measures this week, the governor of Hawaii on Thursday signed into law a trio of bills aimed at better protecting island residents from gun violence.

    Most notable is SB 2954, now Act 108, which authorizes county police departments to enroll gun owners into a federal criminal monitoring database, known as “Rap Back.”

    Gov. David Ige’s signature means Hawaii becomes the first U.S. state to enroll gun owners in the FBI system. In addition to alerting authorities when a Hawaii gun owner is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country, the measure will allow Hawaii police to evaluate whether the firearm owner can continue to possess and own weapons.

    Ige said in a statement that the law will help law enforcement better protect Hawaii residents and visitors.

    “This is about our community’s safety and responsible gun ownership,” Ige said. “This bill has undergone a rigorous legal review process by our Attorney General’s office and we have determined that it is our responsibility to approve this measure for the sake of our children and families.”

    As Honolulu Civil Beat reports, SB 2954 was introduced by Democratic Hawaii Sen. Will Espero, who urged Hawaii to be a model for other states.

    Predictably, the bill drew fire from gun enthusiasts, including the Hawaii Rifle Association, which said it would subject law-abiding citizens to unnecessary monitoring.

    “The exercise of an individual’s Second Amendment rights is not inherently suspicious and should not require a person to surrender other civil liberties, including unwarranted invasions of privacy or unequal treatment under the law,” the Institute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association, wrote in an online call to action. “The lawful acquisition, possession, carrying, or use of a firearm does not justify subjecting citizens to ongoing monitoring.”

    Ige also signed into law HB 625 and HB 2632. The first, according to the governor’s office, specifies harassment by stalking and sexual harassment as crimes of violence that disqualify a person from owning or possessing a firearm. The second requires gun owners to surrender firearms if they have been diagnosed with significant behavioral, emotional or mental disorder.

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    Somewhat surprising Hawaii has not banned guns altogether already. Or at least to the level of a New Jersey or a NYC. The political climate there is overwhelmingly Democrat (just another fact showing demography is destiny), and so it is natural they are always going to be passing legislation (I won't honor it with the title of "law") that makes Democrats happy and angers Republicans. They are all Democrats! Why wouldn't they?

    Probably just sheer Hawaiian laziness that they haven't passed more comprehensive statewide restrictions and bans, now that I think about it. Maybe now they'll get around to it. Slowly. On aloha time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Somewhat surprising Hawaii has not banned guns altogether already. Or at least to the level of a New Jersey or a NYC. The political climate there is overwhelmingly Democrat (just another fact showing demography is destiny), and so it is natural they are always going to be passing legislation (I won't honor it with the title of "law") that makes Democrats happy and angers Republicans. They are all Democrats! Why wouldn't they?

    Probably just sheer Hawaiian laziness that they haven't passed more comprehensive statewide restrictions and bans, now that I think about it. Maybe now they'll get around to it. Slowly. On aloha time.
    There are actually a lot of Conservative Democrats in Hawaii. I'd take them over New York Democrats.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    NOTE, EDITED to remove hotlinks to a Ron Paul basher. If Ron Paul basher is determined to have changed his mind, I will re-post links.

    Government is the biggest employer in Hawaii.

    You do things slowly, on a nice, friendly, plantation. Is this really about guns? I'm thinking Ige/donors have ties to the system contract$.

    WIKI on the little emperor:
    After college, while working for GTE Hawaiian Tel, Ige took graduate courses at UH and earned a Master of Business Administration degree in decisions sciences. In 1986, Hawaii Business Magazine named him one of the university’s Top 10 MBA students.

    He went on to become a successful electrical engineer and project manager with a 34-year career devoted to information technology, telecommunications, networks, and responsible public policy.

    Prior to being elected governor of Hawaii, Ige served as program/project manager with Robert A. Ige and Associates, Inc., vice president of engineering at NetEnterprise, and project engineer/senior principal engineer at Pihana Pacific, which established the first world-class data center and carrier-neutral Internet exchange in Hawaii and the Pacific. Before that, he worked as an engineer for GTE Hawaiian Tel for more than 18 years.

    Ige was originally appointed to the Hawaii House of Representatives on December 2, 1985 by Governor George Ariyoshi, after Representative Arnold Morgado resigned to run for a seat on the Honolulu City Council.[3][4] He served in the Hawaii State Senate from 1995 through 2015.[5] During his legislative career, Ige has served as the chairman of nine different committees.[6] He focused much of his career as a legislator on information and telecommunications policy.[6] In the Legislature, he co-authored the Hawaii Telecommunications and Information Industries Act that established the state information network and created the Hawaii Information Network Corporation. He has also been at the center of Hawaii’s efforts to diversify its economy. Ige was responsible for establishing seed capital and venture capital programs, software development initiatives, and technology transfer programs.


    Keep track of my guns, little emperor!? But don't keep track of "your own".

    Back in December when the state Department of Land and Natural Resources appointed Tommy Friel as its top law enforcement officer, sources said that Friel immediately asked for an inventory of all firearms that the department possessed.

    Hawaii News Now has learned that the investigation found that about a dozen handguns either purchased by the department or seized as evidence were missing. Sources said that the DLNR turned over the investigation to Attorney General's office, which is now looking into the matter.
    Gonna need some software...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    There are actually a lot of Conservative Democrats in Hawaii. I'd take them over New York Democrats.
    Uh huh. You say this based on...... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Uh huh. You say this based on...... ?
    People who have lived there have told me.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    People who have lived there have told me.
    Well, I also have lived there. I will tell you it is a overwhelmingly leftist, overwhelmingly pro-multicultural place, overwhelmingly pro-"social justice" (and thus anti-actual-justice) place. It is also beautiful, friendly, etc.

    There is no conservatism there. There is no right wing there. There's only one side of the argument there, and that side is complete, extreme cultural Marxism.

    Now this of course is big-picture true, not literally true. There are a few. There was me, when I lived there! I like the guy who does the right-wing paper on Molokai, http://www.molokaiadvertiser-news.com . But for all practical purposes: it's 100% socialist, 100% leftist, and absolutely precisely 0% hope that it will ever swing the other direction. Believe me. Why? Demographics. Sad but fact.

    But, go ahead and prefer Democrats there (where you've never lived) over Democrats in New York (where you've also probably never lived). You might very well be right that you'd get along much better with the living-off-the-dole SJWs from Hawaii than the brash and abrasive trade unionists from New York. Just depends on your upbringing and temperament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    There are actually a lot of Conservative Democrats in Hawaii. I'd take them over New York Democrats.
    I kind of get your meaning. I find crooks in Hawaii pretty personable. Just another way to label or disguise force, it's all based on force, with "aloha" lip service here and there.

    From the late 80's, until now, this is what I've noticed-

    The established, industrious, local family has at least one relative working for the county, state, or fed. Usually more than one government worker in the extended family. If blue collar, a county employee will often have a cash job on the side -they have the time, they have the connections.
    The families that have these connections seem to have access to any kind of raw material or service imaginable, as well as knowing every angle to take advantage of government rebates, incentives, tax breaks, etc. before their neighbors do.

    These folks are "conservative" IMO, based only on their desire to provide food and shiny stuff for their family and extended ohana.

    Loot your neighbors quietly, spread it around for favors, and call it "aloha". The temptation is great, the commitment is minimal, the pay out is better than what your neighbors without your connections will experience. The working class come from a conquered people and sugar plantations, equipped with the government tools and the "moral authority" to "take stuff back", and "give stuff to others".

    The looters in Hawaii are the nicest in the world... until you call them on it.
    *cough* aloha is not force *cough*
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    Conservative Dems in Hawaii , that was funny .

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    HI, rising on the list of "black" states.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    HI, rising on the list of "black" states.
    Please don't take this the wrong way but what exactly do you mean by "black" states? the link that was in your post wasn't very helpful.
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    And the new laws would have prevented Omar Mateen how, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Please don't take this the wrong way but what exactly do you mean by "black" states? the link that was in your post wasn't very helpful.
    Black as in one of the ancient descriptive terms for "evil". Nothing to do with "race", if that's what's got you in a pinch.

    My list of black states includes:

    California
    New York
    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    Massachusetts
    Maryland
    Ohio
    Ill-Annoy
    Hawaii
    Minnesota

    Washington
    Florida
    Oregon

    These are the most politically egregious states in the Union, IMO. They are political cesspools when compared with the rest. The top 10 are the worst, in no particular order of horribleness. The last three are lesser offenders, but still bad enough to merit some mention.

    And if any "black" people, white progressive squeams, or others choose to take offense at this labeling, that is simply too damned bad for them because I am offering no offense and will under no circumstance alter it for the sake of their safe spaces.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck000 View Post
    And the new laws would have prevented Omar Mateen how, exactly?

    SHH... no asking questions allowed. This is democracy, dammit, not a free land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Black as in one of the ancient descriptive terms for "evil". Nothing to do with "race", if that's what's got you in a pinch.

    My list of black states includes:

    California
    New York
    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    Massachusetts
    Maryland
    Ohio
    Ill-Annoy
    Hawaii
    Minnesota

    Washington
    Florida
    Oregon

    These are the most politically egregious states in the Union, IMO. They are political cesspools when compared with the rest. The top 10 are the worst, in no particular order of horribleness. The last three are lesser offenders, but still bad enough to merit some mention.

    And if any "black" people, white progressive squeams, or others choose to take offense at this labeling, that is simply too damned bad for them because I am offering no offense and will under no circumstance alter it for the sake of their safe spaces.
    I said "don't take this the wrong way", "black states" is a term I just have never heard before. I was just curious what it meant and tried to ask it in a way that wouldn't make you think I was race baiting.

    No offense was taken by me and thanks for answering
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    And if any "black" people, white progressive squeams, or others choose to take offense at this labeling, that is simply too damned bad for them because I am offering no offense and will under no circumstance alter it for the sake of their safe spaces.
    Hey, they're the ones who demanded we all stop saying "negro" fifty years ago.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I said "don't take this the wrong way"
    I didn't and I got your meaning on the nose. I was addressing anyone of a "sensitive" nature whether here or anywhere on the planet, who might decide to offend themselves and then projecting that offense as having issued from myself in order to justify their butthurt without having to take any responsibility for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Hey, they're the ones who demanded we all stop saying "negro" fifty years ago.
    I still say it all the time... sometimes just to spite the fools who demand I not do it, but as often to remind people of some basic sense.

    Years ago on some talk-type show... Meet The Press or what have you, one of the founders of NAACP (IIRC) repined at how hard he and his colleagues had worked for so long to bring respectability to "negro", only to have it shyte-canned by the retarded progressives in favor of "black", which of course is the semantic equal of "negro", thereby painting those stooges as even more deeply corrupt and stoopid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I didn't and I got your meaning on the nose. I was addressing anyone of a "sensitive" nature whether here or anywhere on the planet, who might decide to offend themselves and then projecting that offense as having issued from myself in order to justify their butthurt without having to take any responsibility for it.

    Maybe its just me but I find it weird that you would devote that many sentences to addressing a problem that is virtually non existent anywhere and not a problem on this site. I mean, has anyone been hassled for referring to African Americans as blacks on this website? Not even Zippy the resident progressive has taken offense to it nor have I seen any black member take offense to it. Yes there are always some fringe groups who take offense to anything that one could take offense to this, but those people are as numerous as people who take offense to people saying "he or she" because they believe gender is not binary and everybody ignores them.

    Btw, I just did a search of "black people" in the white liberal and "black" people bastion of the internet called DU and not even those people had a problem with it. There were 41,900 hits for "black people" and all the first page ones I clicked on didn't have anyone complaining about the use of the word

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post

    And if any "black" people, white progressive squeams, or others choose to take offense at this labeling, that is simply too damned bad for them because I am offering no offense and will under no circumstance alter it for the sake of their safe spaces.
    Also there it is again. Instead of just saying evil people, you say "black" people knowing that almost nobody seeing it would understand it as evil people but instead people of African decent. But then again, I think you got the attention you were looking for.
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    Trust principles; not people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Well, I also have lived there. I will tell you it is a overwhelmingly leftist, overwhelmingly pro-multicultural place, overwhelmingly pro-"social justice" (and thus anti-actual-justice) place. It is also beautiful, friendly, etc.

    There is no conservatism there. There is no right wing there. There's only one side of the argument there, and that side is complete, extreme cultural Marxism.

    Now this of course is big-picture true, not literally true. There are a few. There was me, when I lived there! I like the guy who does the right-wing paper on Molokai, http://www.molokaiadvertiser-news.com . But for all practical purposes: it's 100% socialist, 100% leftist, and absolutely precisely 0% hope that it will ever swing the other direction. Believe me. Why? Demographics. Sad but fact.

    But, go ahead and prefer Democrats there (where you've never lived) over Democrats in New York (where you've also probably never lived). You might very well be right that you'd get along much better with the living-off-the-dole SJWs from Hawaii than the brash and abrasive trade unionists from New York. Just depends on your upbringing and temperament.
    Overwhelmingly "pro-multicultural"?

    You mean those silly Polynesians that were forced/tricked into becoming a state of the US?

    In Hawaii that would mean they actually encourage white people to live there- what a terrible bunch of idiots!

    There is also a rather strong movement to secede.

    And, I have lived there- just sayin'.
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    I know everyone trusts Comey and the FBI, but for those of us who don't...

    Decent, concise, must hear, audio interview. State "safety logic" destroyed, money angle explored, etc.

    Rifle Association: Six Lawyers Working on Hawaii ‘Rap Back’ Lawsuit

    Hawaii Gun Owners Soon to be on Federal Database

    by Aaron Lief, Grassroot Institute, July 6, 2016

    In June, Governor Ige signed an unprecedented regulation which would register Hawaii’s gun owners into a federal criminal database. Policy analyst Matthew Reade of the Grassroot Institute interviewed Harvey Gerwig, the president of the Hawaii Rifle Association, to get his perspective on the new legislation.

    Mr. Gerwig was less-than-complimentary of the measure. “It places law-abiding citizens on a crime database,” he stated. “That’s an invasion of personal privacy.”

    Harvey also raised questions about the program’s costs. “There’s a recurring fee to enroll someone into this system,” he said. “Who’s going to pay to have this data input? Who’s going to pay to monitor it?”
    short wrap-up continued
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