If a 100 year old Trump supporter throws a haymaker at a fit 20 year old black man; that's not a real problem for society.
A bunch of Mexicans ransacking a car or throwing rocks at 30 year old woman is a problem.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Right, but it's not just about corruption in the police department.Originally Posted by Antischism
Their own site goes on to talk about, essentially, how discrimination is MORE discrimination-y when you're black. LGBT? Well it's important to BLM... if you're black. Discrimination against the disabled? It's important... if you're black.Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our dehumanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes.
The study you linked to is not particularly helpful, btw. It's a reasonably small sample size in a fairly localized geographic area. It doesn't really mention where in Florida the officers are from, which does make a difference. I am also suspicious of a study that goes through the trouble to tell us the racial and gender makeup of the original 50 officers used for the study, then doesn't tell us which two were not included in the final findings during their Method paragraph. Even something as simple as whether or not the officer was right- or left-handed would have a bearing on the study, but it's not mentioned.
Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.
...for the 30-year old woman. Yes.
Black Lives Matter wishes Shaft was real and could go around shooting Zimmerman's before they hurt a black person.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Who doesn't wish Shaft were real?
Shut yo mouth!
Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.
OMG. What's with the advocacy in favor of collectivist mentality? In favor of perpetuating further group think?
And whats with the childish ad hominem logical fallacies? (i.e. "are you that petty"; "your own ignorance"; "it hurt your feelings"; "white people") These are not arguments. These are irrational attempts at childish emotional based taunts. Resorting to such juvenile ad hominem is an admission that your position is intellectually weak, and based on irrational emotion rather than reason. When you find yourself resorting to such childish antics it is time to stop and objectively reassess your position.
No one denies there is not a real problem with abusive government. Yes, all kinds of people get mistreated by government. Yes, as you point out blacks are disproportionately mistreated based on percentages. That is true, and it is that same group based raw percentages that creates the collectivist mindset to begin with that leads to blacks being disproportionately mistreated. For instance male black teenagers commit murder at rates ten times as high as Hispanic and white male teenagers combined. Those types of group based raw numbers are what contribute to the group think mindset that leads to blacks being mistreated disproportionately. Can you not see that it is the collectivist group think mentality that is the cause here? It leads to group based collectivist mindset by government police rather than treating everyone as an individual. It is precisely the group think collectivist mindset that you are advocating to perpetuate that is the source cause of the problem you wish to eradicate.
The only solution is to abandon the group think collectivism and embrace and advocate seeing and treating each person as an individual. You cannot embrace collectivist slogans and ideals when it is politically correct or convenient to do so. Either you respect people as individuals or you subscribe to collectivist mindset.
The truth is each person is an individual, and deserves to be treated and judge as an individual. Each individual victim of government abuse has a real life and real story. They each deserve compassion because they are a human being not because they are categorized into a particular group, or that the assailant is characterized into a particular group. It may be surprising to learn that whites account for half of all deaths by police, but you wouldn't think it from the MSM news (entertainment). Based on MSM you would think it was nonexistent rather than the overwhelmingly largest group killed by police. That's because the MSM likes to hype such stories depending on whether the victim's race is considered minority. The MSM adheres and perpetuates the collectivist mindset and thereby contributes to the problem. They adhere to the collectivist mindset viewing people as members of groups rather than individuals. But each person is an individual. The suffering by the individual or their family is no greater nor less depending on what group category are they classified into. Each individual deserves to have their story heard.
You can see the self-perpetuating consequences of the collectivist group think slogan black lives matter born out both in the actions of BLM and the very backlash to the collectivist slogan. Those who advocate an inclusive approach to the problem point not only to the slogan but the actions of those embracing the collectivist slogan. For instance the Nashville chapter of BLM established a rule that only black people and people of color could participate. No white people allowed no matter how dedicated or supportive. When the public library advised they had to drop the discriminatory policy or they could no longer use the government facility for meetings they decried white supremacy. Are these inclusive actions respecting people as individuals or is it more collectivist group think mindset? Of course there is also the glaring cricket silence of the BLM on the black killing of black lives 93 percent of black killings are by young black men. However those lives apparently are not worthy of attention because the murderers happen to be categorized into a group that doesnt fit the desired narrative. Then as mentioned in prior message, Many BLM activists appear sporting shirts of Assata Shakur (Joanne Byron), on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist List for murder and several other serious felonies. Does the glorification of a murderer sound like someone to whom all lives matter that appreciates life? Lastly, although a separate issue, there is the issue of the BLM movement being so intertwined with radical socialist-leftist political agenda such as $30 million in seed money to BLM from notorious color revolution funder statist Soros, and BLM intimate relations with the billionaire funded statist group Democracy Alliance, and other statist political groups.
No one denies there is not a real problem to be addressed. What is the best way to do it? Is it though more "Group think" mentality. Is it though advocating division? Do you fight government abuse through alliances with major statist/socialist political groups?
When you abandon the collectivist mindset and are able to view and treat people as individuals rather mere indivisible parts of a group, you can readily spot the group think collectivism. When you abandon the collectivist mindset and stop seeing people merely as members of groups, and instead see each person as an individual, it is not hard at all. It is easy. It is natural. It is logical. It is the libertarian way. The only solution is to abandon the group think collectivism and embrace and advocate seeing and treating each person as an individual. You cannot embrace collectivist slogans and ideals when it is politically correct or convenient to do so. Either you respect people as individuals or you subscribe to collectivist mindset.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
BLM mainly focuses on black people, yes. Why is that a problem? Do you feel hurt that you're somehow being "left out" of the discussion? Saying "all lives matter" functions to refute the idea that black people are disadvantaged, which is preposterous. There's no such thing as "colorblindness" when color is used to dehumanize. You're trying to take race out of the equation as if race wasn't an issue. That's willful ignorance. They're highlighting real problems faced by the black community and you're essentially saying "but everyone else has problems, too!" Yes, obviously. But there are very real, grave, unique issues that the black community faces, and it needs to be pointed out. You only need to look at the history of the U.S. to see how much value a black life has.
You're also exhibiting this idea that race is irrelevant and we should only be focusing on individuals. In an ideal world? Sure. We're living in a far less than ideal world where you're at a disadvantage and treated as less for the color of your skin, however. You may want to think racism is no longer a problem just because we're not living in slavery or Jim Crow times, but the truth is, it has taken a more insidious form. The War on Drugs and mass incarceration are some of the tools used to extend that era, for example. I suggest reading The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, which should give you some interesting insight into these issues in our current time.
Libertarianism has prescriptions for a lot of these issues, but it's never going to be taken seriously by black people/minorities with terrible optics like so-called "libertarian" big shots promoting Donald Trump while $#@!ting on a movement that highlights an issue libertarians have been vocal about. Apparently it's not good enough until a white man talks about it because those "uppity negroes" just don't know how to behave themselves! You'd be angry too if you lived your life being treated like you're less human.
Last edited by Antischism; 06-26-2016 at 10:38 AM.
Bull$#@!.
SJW's gonna SJW.
"The Patriarch"
Not bull$#@! at all. Your refusal to acknowledge it is bull$#@!, however.
Step right on up and explain what exactly you think is "unique" to the Black community?
Go ahead, try........
Your privilege is showing.
I could take my ol' White Hillbilly, biker lookin' ass up to NY and I'd be treated worse than those "uppity negroes"...
By both the Black and the White communities......
Quit your $#@!ing sniveling it's not very becoming......
Disagree- unless you have really close black friends or have lived as a black man, you will never know the kind of racial crap they go through. Even drug incarceration is different for blacks than whites.
I am all for the individual but we don't see much of that in the real world. We talk about freedom as TPTB scare the populace into Muslim profiling and gun confiscation. Welcome to fascism.
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Well....
Race and the Drug War
Overview
Resources
Activist Toolkit
The House I Live In
The Basics
African Americans comprise 14% of regular drug users, but are 37% of those arrested for drug offenses.
The drug war has produced profoundly unequal outcomes across racial groups, manifested through racial discrimination by law enforcement and disproportionate drug war misery suffered by communities of color.
Although rates of drug use and selling are comparable across racial lines, people of color are far more likely to be stopped, searched, arrested, prosecuted, convicted and incarcerated for drug law violations than are whites.
Higher arrest and incarceration rates for African Americans and Latinos are not reflective of increased prevalence of drug use or sales in these communities, but rather of a law enforcement focus on urban areas, on lower-income communities and on communities of color as well as inequitable treatment by the criminal justice system. We believe that the mass criminalization of people of color, particularly young African American men, is as profound a system of racial control as the Jim Crow laws were in this country until the mid-1960s.
The Drug Policy Alliance is committed to exposing disproportionate arrest rates and the systems that perpetuate them. We work to eliminate policies that result in disproportionate incarceration rates by rolling back harsh mandatory minimum sentences that unfairly affect urban populations and by repealing sentencing disparities.
Crack cocaine sentencing presents a particularly egregious case. Since the 1980s, federal penalties for crack were 100 times harsher than those for powder cocaine, with African Americans disproportionately sentenced to much lengthier terms. But, in 2010, DPA played a key role in reducing the crack/powder sentencing disparity from 100:1 to 18:1, and we are committed to passing legislation that would eliminate the disparity entirely.
The life-long penalties and exclusions that follow a drug conviction have created a permanent second-class status for millions of Americans, who may be prohibited from voting, being licensed, accessing public assistance and any number of other activities and opportunities. The drug war’s racist enforcement means that all of these exclusions fall more heavily on people and communities of color. DPA is committed to ending these highly discriminatory policies and to combating the stigma attached to drug use and drug convictions.
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Sorry man I'm not buying into the "Poor Black" bull$#@!, never have and I'm not going to start now.
"Racial crap" my ass!
Like hiring quotas and housing quotas?
Try living as a scooter tramp and see how ya' fare.......
There are 1000's of subsets of society, none of whom whine as loud as "The Blacks".
Jim Crow's $#@!ing dead, move on........
So what Blacks are affected too.........
Try again.
"Unique" was the operative word.........
OK-
n 1986, a racially biased drug courier profile was introduced to the highway patrol by the DEA. That year the agency launched "Operation Pipeline," a little known highway drug interdiction program which has, to date, trained approximately 27,000 police officers in 48 participating states to use pretext stops in order to find drugs in vehicles. The techniques taught and widely encouraged by the DEA as part of Operation Pipeline have been instrumental in spreading the use of pretext stops, which are at the heart of the racial profiling debate. In fact, some of the training materials used and produced in conjunction with Pipeline and other associated programs have implicitly (if not explicitly) encouraged the targeting of minority motorists.
The consequences of these law enforcement practices and sentencing policies are painfully evident today in the demographics of our prison population. According to an April 1999 report prepared for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights by The Sentencing Project, there are now an estimated 400,000 inmates in the U.S. either awaiting trial or serving time for a drug offense, out of a total inmate population of 1.7 million. "The combined impact of increased drug arrests along with harsher sentencing policies has led to a vast expansion of drug offenders in the nation's prisons and jails," the report explains. "As these policies have been implemented, they have increasingly affected African American and Hispanic communities. The African American proportion of drug arrests has risen from 25 percent in 1980 to 37 percent in 1995. Hispanic and African American inmates are more likely than non-Hispanic whites to be incarcerated for a drug offense."
Today, blacks constitute 13 percent of the country's drug users; 37 percent of those arrested on drug charges; 55 percent of those convicted; and 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.
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And in the 60's the White hippies were profiled for acid, bikers for speed...
This is nothing new and certainly not "unique" to the Black community.
Mmmm....k....
n 1986, a racially biased drug courier profile was introduced to the highway patrol by the DEA. That year the agency launched "Operation Pipeline," a little known highway drug interdiction program which has, to date, trained approximately 27,000 police officers in 48 participating states to use pretext stops in order to find drugs in vehicles. The techniques taught and widely encouraged by the DEA as part of Operation Pipeline have been instrumental in spreading the use of pretext stops, which are at the heart of the racial profiling debate. In fact, some of the training materials used and produced in conjunction with Pipeline and other associated programs have implicitly (if not explicitly) encouraged the targeting of minority motorists.
The consequences of these law enforcement practices and sentencing policies are painfully evident today in the demographics of our prison population. According to an April 1999 report prepared for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights by The Sentencing Project, there are now an estimated 400,000 inmates in the U.S. either awaiting trial or serving time for a drug offense, out of a total inmate population of 1.7 million. "The combined impact of increased drug arrests along with harsher sentencing policies has led to a vast expansion of drug offenders in the nation's prisons and jails," the report explains. "As these policies have been implemented, they have increasingly affected African American and Hispanic communities. The African American proportion of drug arrests has risen from 25 percent in 1980 to 37 percent in 1995. Hispanic and African American inmates are more likely than non-Hispanic whites to be incarcerated for a drug offense."
Today, blacks constitute 13 percent of the country's drug users; 37 percent of those arrested on drug charges; 55 percent of those convicted; and 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.
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To name a couple, the disparity in drug sentencing, for one. Whites have a much higher rate of drug use, yet blacks are imprisoned at around ten times the rate. To make matters worse, blacks serve almost as much time due to non-violent offenses as whites do for violent ones.
Due to a historical view of black people being less human, they're easy to scapegoat and are imprisoned despite their innocence because it's easy to demonize them. There is less empathy for a black life than there is a white one due to real implicit and explicit biases.
They're less likely to be hired than a white person while applying for the same job with similar qualifications due to racial biases and in-group favoritism.
The amount of racism in the real world, social media and sites like YouTube in the comments section easily takes a toll on black people and makes them feel like they're less human. The psychological impact is real. They're constantly made to think about their race and shamed for being a different color despite their individual qualities. They're always put on defensive and challenged to measure up to a white life while having the deck stacked against them.
They have to fear being stopped and harassed by the police due to racial profiling, especially now that it has come to light that departments don't screen for affiliation to hate groups like the KKK.
"Oh, but it happens to some white people due to anecdotal evidence 1, 2 and 3 or these couple of cases, too!" isn't a good argument. All that shows is that there are some exceptions, but it does not discount the prevalence of these issues within the black or minority communities. Yes, poor white people are also mistreated, but on top of what poor white people go through, minorities have unique issues as I highlighted.
Some of that is what attracts police attention. The white trailer park drug culture of getting stoned and playing video games is a little different than the inner city gangster lifestyle.Today, blacks constitute 13 percent of the country's drug users; 37 percent of those arrested on drug charges; 55 percent of those convicted; and 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.
You haven't "highlighted" any unique issues other than self pity.
Grow up.
You're not special.
Look, no one is forgetting that poor whites are mistreated and have to deal with a lot of problems. We aren't playing the "oppression olympics" here. However, it's also important to acknowledge that racism is another level of bull$#@! minorities have to deal with on top of the $#@! sandwich.
"Self-pity"? Alright, I see you don't want to have a conversation, so I'll just leave you be.
Last edited by Antischism; 06-26-2016 at 11:20 AM.
Includes countless subsets of society only one of which happens to be Black...
Hardly "unique".....
Keep trying.
And women deal with sexism and, and, and.......
You get no points for being Black, not from me anyway.....
Act like a man and I'll work right along side you, whine about $#@! and I'll cut ya' loose...
Yes self pity.
That's exactly how I see it.
Instead of saying "Oh $#@! I got busted" it must be unequivocally "Oh $#@! I got busted because I'm Black"...
That is self pity.
Last edited by tod evans; 06-26-2016 at 11:27 AM.
"African Americans are incarcerated in state prisons across the country at more than five times the rate of whites, and at least ten times the rate in five states. This report documents the rates of incarceration for whites, African Americans, and Hispanics in each state, identifies three contributors to racial and ethnic disparities in imprisonment, and provides recommendations for reform."
Read here:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/pub...state-prisons/
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They are incarcerated too.
Incarceration isn't unique to Blacks.
Granted percapita there are more Blacks locked up but that hardly qualifies as a "unique" problem..
I'd say members of any community getting locked up for dope is a problem.
This points back to my original query of Antischism;
I'm all for ending the war on drugs, for everybody.
I'm all for disarming kops, if there has to be kops.
But these problems are not unique to Blacks and to claim they are is nuts.
The point is: incarceration is up to 10xs that of whites For THE SAME "CRIMES".
And MY point is that .gov should get out of everyone's lives- not just blacks- however the problems that gov creates is used as a stigma against blacks, creating more problems for the black community and making them look "evil" in the white community. I believe this is done on purpose and is now being used on Muslims.
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