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When you read much of the literature in favor of anarchism, it seems that anarchism starts off with 5 basic assumptions, philosophically speaking:
- Truth is relative.
- Life is random.
- People are basically good.
- A person can change his own life if he chooses to.
- The goal of life is self-satisfaction.
Building a civic/economic philosophy on those basic assumptions opens the door wide open for an elite group to manipulate society very easily, in my opinion. Thus, anarchism (no matter if it's anarcho-capitalism, anatcho-communism, anarcho-primitivism, or any other school of thought) cannot solve the problem of having an elite manipulating and ruling over society.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 06-25-2016 at 05:48 AM.
The claims that Jesus was an anarchist and that Paul was a statist are simply anachronisms. As such, they make both of your assertions moot points, so there's no need to argue with you about the merits of your claims.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
All societies will have elites who manage to climb their way to the top one way or another. There's no way of preventing that. Better to formalize the elite into an open aristocracy than trying to constantly make sure that there are no elites through whatever schemes you can come up with.
NeoReactionary. American High Tory.
The counter-revolution will not be televised.
Seriously, just don't engage Ronin on his unsourced crackpot ideas about Christianity.
Let's stick to your unsourced crackpot ideas about anarchist writing. I've never read anything that supports those five ideas. I admit that anarchist ideas rely on point 3, that people are basically good. Is your problem with this that it violates your theology? Because yes, people are sinful and they are jerks, but I see the goodness of people winning over their badness in uncontrolled systems on a daily basis and do not consider it up for debate.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
If you think that having an elite subset of society manipulate the rest by force is a bad thing, then that makes you an anarchist. Does it not?
Everything, from the several dozen uncontrolled lines you wait in every month, to the operating system and web server software which are making our current exchange possible.
To clarify, I do not mean these systems are totally uncontrolled by any means at all: I mean what anarchists here always mean, which is that there is no monopoly control. It is self evident all around you, every single day of your life, that mankind does not need a state to order his affairs.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
I'm not so sure that that's what you really are seeing on a daily basis.
It might be more like this. People do good things more than bad because it's usually in their self-interest. I think this still supports anarchy though, because one of the boons of the free market is that it takes peoples' greed and redirects it into the service of others, so that those who serve others the most also profit the most.
Right, erowe, so there are only two possibilities there: either people are acting out of goodness and it's a valid anarchist talking point out of Theo's five listed, or they aren't acting out of goodness and it's not a valid observation about anarchist philosophy.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Hey, the source of my crackpot Paulinism AKA Christian (so called) ideas is the Sacred Holy Word of God Bible. Do you want to argue with it too? Maybe you and Theocrat can get on opposite sides of some Biblical questions and just have some really fun times with them.
Folks just seem to want to keep on explaining this stuff to me. They obviously don't really know or understand it themselves, or what they're talking about. I'm neither a child nor an idiot. I can read very well and do and have for some decades now.
Perhaps you're not a child, but I am also capable of following my own advice and not engaging you. Stop derailing the conversation.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Question. If you assume that governments are just puppets of the mega elite, bankers, whatever, then why do you worry about stopping their influence? If they are going to have coercive influence anyway whether or not there is a government they way pay taxes to have a government? Isn't that like sacrificing captives in order to prevent a solar eclipse and or make it end "early?"
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No, it doesn't make me an anarchist; it just means that I hold to the view that God rules society, and therefore, He is the One Who delegates authority (those who minister to others) and sets their jurisdictions within a civilized society. That's why an elite subset of society should never manipulate the rest by force. All people should be self-governed by God's Law before they take any position of authority within God-ordained governments (family, church, and state) to ensure that an elite group do not take over society by their own whims. When that happens (as it is currently in American civics), then it is a good indication that people in positions of authority are not self-governing themselves in God's Law.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
And how does one determine a "God-ordained goonerment"? Can you show me a "delegation order" signed by God? What does God's signature look like?
Was Hitler "God-ordained"? Was Cesar? Or were only certain Ceasars ordained and others (the so-called bad ones) not? Do we have to wait until after a regime to determine if their goon was "God-ordained"?
BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"
Christian Anarchy - Our Only Hope For Liberty In Our Lifetime!
Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChristianAnarchist
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If you're a Christian, then you should already know how one determines what governments God has ordained. That's why we have disciplines such as Biblical and systematic theology to delve into the subject on what the Bible teaches about the nature of government. But it is a topic that can be ascertained, and it is one that no other worldview (secular humanism, Islam, etc.) can account for.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
As a Christian I have trouble squaring the separation of church and state with your approach...
I believe that this is specified specifically so that no particular religious faction can use their interpretation of scripture to further their aims against people of other religion(s).
Maybe you'd care to enlighten me with the particular sect of Christianity that you would have govern? (Please be specific)
If you have the guts to answer the previous question (doubtful) why should that sect prevail over all the others?
BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"
Christian Anarchy - Our Only Hope For Liberty In Our Lifetime!
Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChristianAnarchist
Use an internet archive site like THIS ONE
to archive the article and create the link to the article content instead.
There is of course only "one God" if you refer to "God" as "Creator" (I prefer that term actually). This way you avoid all doctrinal issues. Referring to God as Creator rules out confusion as to whom you are speaking. The Creator is an idea that spans "religion" and makes it clear that you are talking about the one deity that was actually responsible for creation. One can say there is no "Creator" but then one has to either make up some "natural" way for the universe to have come about or simply not speculate at all.
So in answer to your question "whose God" you really have to change it to "what God" since no one can "own" God. The answer to "what God" is ... The Creator...
BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"
Christian Anarchy - Our Only Hope For Liberty In Our Lifetime!
Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChristianAnarchist
Use an internet archive site like THIS ONE
to archive the article and create the link to the article content instead.
I believe in the decentralization of power, which is a Biblical principle, first derived in Genesis with the formation of the tribes of Israel (I don't have time to delve deeply into that, but it can be proven). So, to answer your question, I would advocate a system that is similar to what we had in our early republic, where local, state, and county governments are formed by Christians from various denominations to assess how crimes should be punished within their respective jurisdictions. So, for example, if a Presbyterian is living in a county full of Roman Catholics, and those Catholics have laws which he believes do not square with Biblical justice, then he can find another county where there are mostly Presbyterians and from there, they can work together to apply God's Law based on their Biblical convictions.
That's what we had in the earlier days of America, with entire states being composed of one Christian denomination from another state of a different Christian denomination. It's one of the reasons why the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," because their definition of "religion" was related to Christian denominations, understanding that each state was by and large composed of a particular Christian denomination.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
Hey everyone, here is Theocrat's god at work:
I'm not so beholden to a single interpretation of a book that I can believe this is the one true god doing his thing.
Are you familiar with the work of Charlie Eipper, Theocrat? Can I assume you're a fan?
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
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