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    Narrative #6: Orlando gay club shooting was "HIV revenge"

    Just when you thought US MSM owners had covered all possible investigative journalism angles, mostly foreign media is now headlining a new narrative.


    Puerto Rican man claims he was Orlando shooter's gay lover and says the Pulse nightclub attack was 'revenge' after Omar Mateen discovered one of the men he'd had a threesome with was HIV positive


    • Man identified only as 'Miguel' says he had a relationship with Omar Mateen for two months between October and December last year
    • He said they met on Grindr, had a date, then were 'friends with benefits'
    • Mateen 'loved to be cuddled', 'spoke to him about his Muslim faith'
    • But he 'refused to take any selfies', told him 'his wife knew he was gay'
    • Miguel said Mateen recently discovered a Puerto Rican gay man he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive, told Miguel he would 'make them pay'
    • Miguel said Mateen was attracted to Latinos but felt rejected by them
    • Claimed Mateen was a regular at Pulse before shooting dead 49 people


    By Mia De Graaf For Dailymail.com

    Published: 23:09 EST, 21 June 2016

    A man claiming to be the Orlando shooter's lover says Omar Mateen was livid after discovering he'd had sex with an HIV-positive man.

    The Hispanic gay man, identified only as Miguel, told Univision he met Omar Mateen on Grindr before they became 'friends with benefits', meeting up 20 times at a hotel in Orlando, Florida.
    Miguel described Mateen as a confused gay man and a heavy drinker who was attracted to - but felt rejected by - Latinos.
    He believes Mateen's massacre on Pulse nightclub's Latin Night was an attempt at 'revenge' after discovering that one of the two Puerto Rican gay men he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive.
    Speaking in fluent Spanish and broken English, Miguel said that despite tests coming up negative, Mateen feared not enough time had passed for an accurate result, and he wanted to 'make them pay'.
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    'Tryst': The Hispanic gay man, identified only as Miguel, told Univision he met Omar Mateen on Grindr before they became 'friends with benefits', meeting up 20 times at a hotel. His identity has been disguised with a mask

    'The thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism,' Miguel told Univision's Maria Elena Salinas. 'In my opinion he did it for revenge.'
    Before the massacre, Miguel insists, Mateen seemed 'adorable' and 'sweet', adding that they often had oral sex and that Mateen 'loved to be cuddled... he loved to be embraced'.
    Their first date, he said, was at a bar in Orlando called Parliament. 'It was like any other date,' he recounts.

    Every other meeting was at the city's Ambassador hotel, where they met 15 to 20 times between October and December 2015.
    Univision said a representative for the hotel confirmed that Omar Mateen was a familiar face, and that he stayed at the hotel at least 63 times last year.
    The FBI has obtained CCTV footage from the hotel, Univision reports.
    Miguel said Mateen lashed out when he once tried to take selfies in bed, forcing him to put his phone down.
    Full news story here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3653734/Puerto-Rican-man-claiming-Orlando-shooter-s-gay-lover-describes-friends-benefits-relationship-says-attack-revenge-Omar-Mateen-discovered-one-men-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html



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    In related news:

    Obama creates first national gay rights monument

    The Hill - ‎29 minutes ago‎

    By Devin Henry - 06/24/16 12:00 PM EDT

    President Obama has established a new national monument at New York’s Stonewall Inn, the first such dedication marking the gay rights movement in the United States.
    The Stonewall Inn is a Greenwich Village gay bar and the site of a police raid and subsequent riots in 1969 that helped ignite the American gay rights movement. In a White House video released Friday, Obama said that movement “ultimately became an integral part of America.”
    Naming a monument at Stonewall Inn as a national monument has been in the works for months. But its official commemoration on Friday comes as America’s LGBT community reels from the mass shooting that killed 49 people at an Orlando gay nightclub earlier this month. That attack, categorized by federal officials as both a hate crime and terrorist attack, has added fuel to the debate over federal legal protections for the LGBT community that had already played out publicly and acrimoniously in the U.S. House this year.





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    Sadly, this has never been about Gay Rights or the lives lost in the club. This IS and WILL ALWAYS BE about why the stupid american sheep needs Govt to protect them from everything and everyone, and to be completely disarmed.

    Had even one person in the club, including Bouncers or Bartenders had a gun, the measure of this tragedy weighed in human life lost would have been significantly less.

    The people can have no expectation that the Police are there to protect them. They arent. They are the Monopoly of Violence applied against Citizens. As we can have absolutely no protections afforded to the public by the elite and their violent enforcers, the Right to Bear Arms becomes a Responsibility of the average american citizen to defend the lives of their fellow citizens by being armed and taking responsibility for themselves. We do not need a Police State to protect us, we need the Right to protect ourselves to be recognized so that we may take responsibility for those who are unable to take that responsibility.

    We have two kinds of Rights, a Right to do what we can, and a Right to do what we should. A father must protect his family, and more importantly, a father must have the ability to choose to take personal responsibility. The continued refusal that denies the ordinary man the Right to do what he should creates a weak society that can not fend for itself, which, in turn, allows aggresses of all forms to deprive the common man of all of his Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    ...The continued refusal that denies the ordinary man the Right to do what he should creates a weak society that can not fend for itself, which, in turn, allows aggresses of all forms to deprive the common man of all of his Rights.
    And that's exactly what has happened in America.

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    Orlando gay club shooting was "HIV revenge"

    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindLiberty View Post
    No
    Doubts,,
    But is so,it was targeted to an individual.

    How may did the police KILL.

    it is not a question any more
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    That's a very difficult question to answer.
    No.

    it is not
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Doubts,,
    But is so,it was targeted to an individual.

    How may did the police KILL.

    it is not a question any more
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    Ok,,

    Seems to confirm my suspicions,

    Judge Andrew Napolitano has appeared on national TV and said that the official FBI transcript summary of the Orlando shooting shows that nobody in the Pulse nightclub died until 5:13am, throwing the official narrative peddled by the mainstream media into disarray.
    So how many did the Police Kill?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Islamic group: Muslim man beaten outside Florida mosque Mateen attended
    WJLA - ‎2 hours ago‎
    In this undated police photo provided by the St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office, Taylor Anthony Mazzanti is shown. Officials say Mazzanti was charged with felony battery after police pulled over his car which matched a description given by a man who was ...
    What does that have to do with HIV ?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Well, Derails aside..

    How many people did the Police shoot in the Orlando Nightclub?



    all of them..

    so why clutter the story with trivia ?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Ditto.
    Tritto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Well, Derails aside..

    How many people did the Police shoot in the Orlando Nightclub?



    all of them..

    so why clutter the story with trivia ?

    Orlando Police Chief Won’t Deny That Officers Killed Victims Inside Pulse

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...-inside-pulse/

    The Associated Press

    by Breitbart News21 Jun 2016815

    (McClatchy) Any deaths caused by police fire as they battled Omar Mateen inside the Pulse nightclub in the wee hours of June 12 should be blamed on Mateen and not on the responding officers, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Monday.

    “Those killings are on the suspect and on the suspect alone, in my mind,” Mina said.

    Forty-nine people, plus the 29-year-old Mateen, died in the mayhem, and 53 others were wounded.

    The question of possible deaths by police fire arose soon after the shootings. One survivor,Norman Casiano, 26, told ABC News that he was shot by police when he crawled out from his hiding place in the bathroom after he thought it was safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV
    Had even one person in the club, including Bouncers or Bartenders had a gun, the measure of this tragedy weighed in human life lost would have been significantly les
    I thought I read or heard somewhere that an off duty officer worked at the bar and shot at him but Marteen was a better shot and killed him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I thought I read or heard somewhere that an off duty officer worked at the bar and shot at him but Marteen was a better shot and killed him
    No one was killed until the SWAT assault at 5 in the morning.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No one was killed until the SWAT assault at 5 in the morning.
    Boy I posted the Judge's account on that at a liberal site and OMG it sure did start a $H!+ storm of calling him a liar and me an idiot. I wish I could find a little more on that so I could rub their noses in their cr@p. It appears that people were posting on facebook and twitter that they were getting shot @ 2:05am. I couldn't find any way to back up what Judge was saying. I believe him but there is not anything to collaborate his comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What does that have to do with HIV ?

    Tylor in cited news would have explain the connection.
    But one of the most trustworthy leaders in US history had also explained the connection somewhat:


    Obama Says Orlando Shooter Was 'Homegrown' Terrorist

    Wall Street Journal-Jun 13, 2016

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    An HIV target? Then what's up with the reports of the female driver scouting out some other target
    locations (traffic cam license plate /vehicle description?) prior to the hit, or was that all made up too?

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