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    Totalitarian Schemers and Their Open Borders Immigration Policy


    Totalitarian Schemers and Their Open Borders Immigration Policy

    By Thomas DiLorenzo

    June 22, 2016

    “Those who support multiculturalism . . . realize that if they are to transform Western societies into strictly regulated, racial-feminist bureaucracies they must first undermine those societies.” -- Frank Ellis

    At the outset of his administration, President Bill Clinton famously declared that “the era of big government is over.” He then did everything in his power to prove that to be yet another of his slick lies. At the outset of her administration, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a one-time East German “communist youth leader,” famously declared that “multiculturalism has been a failure.” She then did everything in her power to prove what a Big Lie that was, most notoriously by inviting millions of Third World, Muslim immigrants (mostly young men) into her country, lavishly subsidizing them, giving them sex education lessons, and intimidating, censoring, or threatening to punish critics of her policies.

    Barack Obama has followed suit in a somewhat quieter way with non-enforcement of border controls that has allowed millions of Third World peasants to flood the country. The Republican Party has done nothing to interfere with any of this. Residents of small towns all throughout rural America are not always happy when thousands of government-subsidized welfare clients from the Third World are dumped in their neighborhoods accompanied by threats from the federal government should they complain about it.

    All of this is has been given an official blessing by the capitalism-hating, Castro hand-shaking, leftist pope, an ideological soul mate of the Merkels and Obamas of the world and an accomplice in their project to “ fundamentally transform” their societies (which is traditional Marxist rhetoric, by the way).

    This plan to “fundamentally transform society” is also supported by the forces of political correctness in the media, the universities, television, and the popular culture in general, whose new “god” is multiculturalism. Oppose their plans to “fundamentally transform” your society from a Marxist perspective and you will immediately be labeled a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc., etc., and declared persona non-gratis in society.

    It is obvious that Angela Merkel’s purpose, and the purpose of all the other European leftists, is to destroy German (and European) culture in particular and eventually, all the institutions of Western civilization. They do not care what the tenets of Western civilization, which have evolved over the centuries, are replaced with because of their belief that it stands for nothing more than racism, sexism, and capitalist “exploitation.”

    They are the great-grandsons and granddaughters of Lenin and Marx. As the British intellectual Frank Ellis, once wrote, “Today’s ‘political correctness’ is the direct descendant of Communist terror and brainwashing” with its “rigid requirements of language, thought, and behavior, and violators . . . treated as if they were mentally unbalanced . . .”


    The fondest dream of Barack Obama and his fellow American leftists is to follow suit with the Europeanization of America and its “fundamental transformation” into a totalitarian society where the state controls all aspects of behavior through threats, intimidation, censorship, and propaganda without all the messy violence of past generations of totalitarian control freaks. When this fails, as in most certainly will, they will then resort to imprisoning dissenters – or worse. They will do this by citing past precedents, such as Lincoln’s illegal suspension of Habeas Corpus and his imprisoning without due process of thousands of Northern-state political dissenters during his time. Americans who protest such moves will be labeled by the state as Lincoln-hating racists, for what else can a Lincoln critic be called? The mass imprisonment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II will also have an “honored” place in the Official Government Line in order to eradicate all dissenters, as will the World War I Sedition Act that imprisoned people for such “crimes” as reading the Bill of Rights in public and opposing military conscription.


    All of this started with Ted Kennedy’s 1965 immigration legislation that drastically reduced European immigration quotas while increasing Third World immigration quotas. For Ted and the 1960s “liberals,” this was pure pork barrel politics: They wanted a vast expansion of the welfare state (the “Great Society”) combined with the importation of millions of Third World peasants who could be enrolled in welfare to grow the state and assure their own perpetual reelection.

    The environmentalist movement was always on board with this because it strongly opposed economic development and prosperity in the Third World, which it falsely equated with more pollution and environmental degradation. (This despite the obvious fact that the wealthier countries of the world are healthier and cleaner by comparison). Give them “foreign aid” or bring them here and put them on domestic welfare, they say, but don’t let them economically develop their own country. That will only lead to more pollution and more economic “exploitation.” Or so the gurus of environmentalism have preached for decades.

    The socialist Left in general always supported open borders as a means of creating an international redistribution of income. They certainly don’t support open borders because it will encourage the growth of capitalism. If they couldn’t get the U.S. government to send more billions of dollars in welfare (i.e., “foreign aid”) to the Third World, they would bring the Third World to the U.S. and place it on the welfare rolls here. (Their scheme has largely failed so far to the extent that most Third World immigrants do find jobs and become productive members of society instead of the socialists’ ideal of becoming lifelong welfare parasites).

    Another interest group in favor of open borders consists of American corporations who want cheaper labor as opposed to incurring the immense expense of moving their factories to other countries. They favor bringing the cheap labor to them, if possible, rather than brining their factories to the cheap labor.

    But today’s “multiculturalists” are a different breed altogether. They are an especially insidious, totalitarian, Machiavellian breed. They do not view open borders a merely a means of getting more Democrats elected, or stopping economic development in poorer countries, or getting cheaper jeans at Wal-Mart. They view the importation of tens of millions of immigrants from alien cultures and civilizations as a weapon of war against Western civilization itself. This all started some thirty years ago, around the time of the worldwide collapse of socialism. An opening “salvo” in this war was when the odious race hustler Jesse Jackson traveled to Stanford University to lead a mob of students in the chant, “Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western Civ Has Got to Go.”

    Stanford University dropped Western civilization as a requirement in 1988, and hundreds of other universities followed suit. Stanford students were no longer to be taught about Western literature, culture, or institutions except for politically-correct denunciations of it by uneducated frauds with degrees in “women’s studies” and the like. Instead, they are now bombarded with the alleged virtues of “diversity,” diversity, diversity, diversity, and a relentless promotion of government-enforced “equality” of all types. The most vulgar, f-bomb-laced “rap” lyric chants are said to be of equal cultural value to the Bible and Shakespeare, for example.

    On the other coast around the same time, the Bass family of Texas donated $20 million to their alma mater, Yale University, with the intent of having the university fund a few endowed chairs in Western civilization for Yale students. The Bass family was blindsided when the faculty protested so vehemently that Yale gave the money back.

    The importation of millions of (easy-to-corral politically) Third-World immigrants from alien cultures is best understood as the natural result of this decades-long plan by the Marxist left, the leftovers of communism and their intellectual progeny, to destroy Western civilization. They do not care a whit what it will be replaced with as long as it is accompanied by more and more totalitarian control of society – everything from the banning of privately-owned fire arms, to more pervasive regulation of businesses, a complete government takeover of schooling, government-funded “sex-change” surgery, and state mandates regarding who may and may not pee in the ladies rooms.

    The new hordes of Third World immigrants are meant to be the “soldiers” in this war who are expected to provide all the political support needed because: 1) they will be bought off with welfare; and 2) they will remain ignorant of the importance of a free society and the ideas taken from Western civilization that support it, thanks to the PC-ization of education. That’s the plan, anyway. Will we allow these neo-communists to destroy our country and our civilization?

    The Best of Thomas DiLorenzo


    Thomas J. DiLorenzo [send him mail] is professor of economics at Loyola University Maryland and the author of The Real Lincoln; How Capitalism Saved America; Lincoln Unmasked; Hamilton’s Curse; Organized Crime: The Unvarnished Truth About Government; and most recently, The Problem With Socialism.




    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/...-open-borders/

    Copyright © 2016 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are provided.



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    Nice read
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
    James Madison

    "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams



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    Great read and great points.

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    government-funded “sex-change” surgery, and state mandates regarding who may and may not pee in the ladies rooms.
    That is all immigrants fault too, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is all immigrants fault too, eh?
    Reading comprehension problem? Author Dilorenzo makes perfectly clear that these (and other) authoritarian mandates are examples the natural consequences of the decades of efforts of "totalitarian schemers" always advocating force and control, force and control, force and control - "more and more totalitarian control of society".
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    So if we don't have more restrictions (like keeping immigrants out and rounding up the ones already here denying liberties and expanding government powers in the mean time) we will have more restrictions and government regulations and government powers? The totalitarian powers restricting the movement of people will lead to the government being less totalitarian? Like the communist countries do?

    I did like this line:

    . (Their scheme has largely failed so far to the extent that most Third World immigrants do find jobs and become productive members of society instead of the socialists’ ideal of becoming lifelong welfare parasites).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2016 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So if we don't have more restrictions (like keeping immigrants out and rounding up the ones already here denying liberties and expanding government powers in the mean time) we will have more restrictions and government regulations and government powers? The totalitarian powers restricting the movement of people will lead to the government being less totalitarian? Like the communist countries do?

    I did like this line:

    That's a bit disingenuous. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight, but those for controlling the borders seem to be for just that. Not deporting people. That would literally be insane (repeating things, expecting different results) on account of the power that would have to be ceded to gov to get it done.

    Most country's seem to control their borders, it might even be said to be a denotative quality of a "country."

    Open borders fine, but then let them be open ALL WAYS instead of in only one direction.

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    Trump has suggested expulsion. Some here agree- Ron Paul does not. But even expanding border security and immigration controls requires an expansion of government powers and makes it more totalitarian. It does not reduce the powers of the state.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2016 at 01:50 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BV2 View Post
    That's a bit disingenuous. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight, but those for controlling the borders seem to be for just that. Not deporting people. That would literally be insane (repeating things, expecting different results) on account of the power that would have to be ceded to gov to get it done.

    Most country's seem to control their borders, it might even be said to be a denotative quality of a "country."

    Open borders fine, but then let them be open ALL WAYS instead of in only one direction.
    I do not think I should need a passport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I do not think I should need a passport.
    You and me both. Passports are for serfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump has suggested expulsion. Some here agree- Ron Paul does not. But even expanding border security and immigration controls requires an expansion of government powers and makes it more totalitarian. It does not reduce the powers of the state.
    Ron Paul is wrong. If they are allowed to vote, they will increase the state for faster and greater then any effort to send them home.

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    Illegal immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Illegal immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can.
    If they are granted ciztenship they will be able to, or their kids will as they are wrongfully given ciztenship.

    Their is no debate, if they are allowed to vote they will vote for the same failed ideals they do back hone.

    Like all open border, cultural relativists you fail to accept the fact not all people,cultures, political values produce Liberty. But keep believe your false hood, as Trump soars in the polls and the results of Brexist show your open border, "we are all equal mindset" are just about done.

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    If they are citizens, they are the same as you and me and have the same rights to vote for whomever they choose. Should we have a political "purity test" for citizens and only allow those who say they will vote conservative to enter the country or become citizens? Our border isn't "open". It is pretty well maintained for the most part. That can be seen in the fact that the estimated number of illegal immigrants in the country today is lower than it was in 2007. There aren't millions a year swarming across the borders. Trump is playing on people's fears.



    Expanding the police state to further try to fight immigration is not Libertarian. Ron Paul on the issue:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201

    "I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they're the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state," Paul told the group. "In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.

    "Now there's a lot of antagonism and resentment turned just automatically on immigrants," he continued. "You say, no not immigrants, it's just illegal immigrants. I do believe in legal immigration. I want to have a provision to obey those laws. You have to understand this in the context of the economy."

    Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-25-2016 at 01:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If they are citizens, they are the same as you and me and have the same rights to vote for whomever they choose. Should we have a political "purity test" for citizens and only allow those who say they will vote conservative to enter the country or become citizens? Our border isn't "open". It is pretty well maintained for the most part. That can be seen in the fact that the estimated number of illegal immigrants in the country today is lower than it was in 2007. There aren't millions a year swarming across the borders. Trump is playing on people's fears.



    Expanding the police state to further try to fight immigration is not Libertarian. Ron Paul on the issue:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201
    Yes we should as we do not need more leftist voters.

    The Birder Patrol is clearly saying we have an increase in the numbers of people crossing, no one with a brain believes the flow is in any way steaming off.

    Mass immigration has led to its creation. Remember when we allowed in Muslim immigration? Remember what happened after we let in some dudes from the Middle East on Student Visas? Remember how that worked?

    Sorry you can not understand some groups, namely those who will vote away your rights, or attack you should be kept out. Does not change the fact that such things are true, and the public support for them grows and grows.

    You want to allow anyone on Earth to walk into your home? Fine, but not try and take the door off my home and tell me I am immoral for not allowing you to do such.

    Clearly your ingroup preference for your group blinds you to facts.

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    So we should restrict political freedom and have only one party in control. Take away people's right to vote for whom they choose. That isn't liberty. It is totalitarianism. Russia, China, North Korea. What if we do go to only allowing one political viewpoint?

    But what if the one they choose isn't Conservatism or Libertarianism? How many Muslim tourists or students or immigrants have committed 9/11 atrocities? Oklahoma City bombing was by white citizens and conservatives. Conservatives led us to our wars in the Middle East. Maybe it is conservatives who should be restricted. But again, the vast majority of conservatives (like the vast majority of Muslims) are not bombers or terrorists. Also noting that conservatives dropped the "fiscal" from their name long ago. The too favor large government spending. It isn't just the Liberals anymore.

    Nobody is forcing you to let them into your own home. They are free to choose their own home. Like everybody else. Or do you want to restrict that right too?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-26-2016 at 01:59 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So we should restrict political freedom and have only one party in control. Take away people's right to vote for whom they choose. That isn't liberty. It is totalitarianism. Russia, China, North Korea. What if we do go to only allowing one political viewpoint?

    But what if the one they choose isn't Conservatism or Libertarianism? How many Muslim tourists or students or immigrants have committed 9/11 atrocities? Oklahoma City bombing was by white citizens and conservatives. Conservatives led us to our wars in the Middle East. Maybe it is conservatives who should be restricted. But again, the vast majority of conservatives (like the vast majority of Muslims) are not bombers or terrorists. Also noting that conservatives dropped the "fiscal" from their name long ago. The too favor large government spending. It isn't just the Liberals anymore.

    Nobody is forcing you to let them into your own home. They are free to choose their own home. Like everybody else. Or do you want to restrict that right too?
    No we should keep out people who will subvert our Liberty via the ballot box as we have more then enough of our own our do such things. We do not need or want any more leftist voters and they do by 8-2. Letting in people who will displace/replace/out vote you is not a virtue its mental illness.

    Borders are a part of domestic tranquility which is needed for Liberty.

    It only takes 19 to get the Patriot Act passed, it only takes One Omar (I love to spray the gay bar with my AR) Mateen to get bills that scrap due process.

    A majority of muzzies vote leftist. http://lastresistance.com/poll-70-of...te-republican/ so wrong again LOL.

    Neo Cons are leftist, they just love Israel.

    No they come in, demand all sorts of privileges, force their barbaric culture and values on us, attack us, leftist use their actions to justify stripping us of our rights, and then when the idea is brought of of not allowing more of them into this nation they threaten to harm us even more, yeah no they need to stop coming in, and we need not tolerate them.

    But its easy for you to have your views because of your likely immigrant past and rose colored glasses. It must burn your to the core to see Immigration Sanity and nationalism roaring to life about to restore the proper order.

    But hey keep claiming you care about Liberty and Freedom while importing people who vote against it, use the welfare state, blindly support its enpowerment, and who go out and create needless demand for the spy/police/regulation state, your actions and views out you and those like you for what you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So we should restrict political freedom and have only one party in control.
    Nah, we should just ban one bs peddler from RPF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    No we should keep out people who will subvert our Liberty via the ballot box as we have more then enough of our own our do such things. We do not need or want any more leftist voters and they do by 8-2. Letting in people who will displace/replace/out vote you is not a virtue its mental illness.

    Borders are a part of domestic tranquility which is needed for Liberty.

    It only takes 19 to get the Patriot Act passed, it only takes One Omar (I love to spray the gay bar with my AR) Mateen to get bills that scrap due process.

    A majority of muzzies vote leftist. http://lastresistance.com/poll-70-of...te-republican/ so wrong again LOL.

    Neo Cons are leftist, they just love Israel.

    No they come in, demand all sorts of privileges, force their barbaric culture and values on us, attack us, leftist use their actions to justify stripping us of our rights, and then when the idea is brought of of not allowing more of them into this nation they threaten to harm us even more, yeah no they need to stop coming in, and we need not tolerate them.

    But its easy for you to have your views because of your likely immigrant past and rose colored glasses. It must burn your to the core to see Immigration Sanity and nationalism roaring to life about to restore the proper order.

    But hey keep claiming you care about Liberty and Freedom while importing people who vote against it, use the welfare state, blindly support its enpowerment, and who go out and create needless demand for the spy/police/regulation state, your actions and views out you and those like you for what you really are.
    Once again, illegal immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can vote. All citizens- no matter what party or candidate they prefer. They are also not eligible for Federal benefits. Legal immigrants are eligible for some Federal benefits after they have been in the country for five years. An incredible 91% of illegal immigrants are in the labor force so it is not about the benefits.

    In 2012, the most recent year for which data is available, an estimated 91 percent of illegal immigrant males were in the workforce. This compares to 84 percent of legal immigrant men and 79 percent of U.S.-born males, Pew Research Center demographer Jeffrey Passel wrote in testimony prepared for a March 26 hearing held by the Senate Homeland Security & Government Affairs Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Once again, illegal immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can vote. All citizens- no matter what party or candidate they prefer. They are also not eligible for Federal benefits. Legal immigrants are eligible for some Federal benefits after they have been in the country for five years. An incredible 91% of illegal immigrants are in the labor force so it is not about the benefits.
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...0get%20welfare


    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+caught+voting

    Clearly you are lying.

    But then again please tell us how you will "get rid of the welfare" state when you are out numbered at the ballot box again?

    You can repeat your lies, fewer and fewer are believing them.

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    Who is lying? Let's check your information you just put up (though a google search link is not exactly posting information). Read that first box which pops up from your google link.

    The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.
    Schooling is a benefit some states offer- not a Federal benefit. Any uninsured person who goes to a hospital emergency room must be treated by law. Legal or illegal citizen or resident is not relevant to that one.

    Illegal immigrants voting? Again an article from one of your links. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ing-state.html

    Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted announced Wednesday that his office found 17 non-citizens illegally cast ballots in the 2012 presidential election -- and has referred the case for possible prosecution.

    The alleged crime would be a notable case of voter fraud in a key swing state. By law, only American citizens are allowed the privilege of casting ballots for the nation's leaders.
    They found seventeen incidents in Ohio. Seventeen. Out of 5.6 million ballots cast in the 2012 election. Yeah- tons of illegal immigrants voting. "Non citizens" includes those in the country legally.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-28-2016 at 02:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Read that first box which pops up from your google link.



    Illegal immigrants voting? Again an article from one of your links. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ing-state.html



    They found seventeen incidents in Ohio. Seventeen. Out of 5.6 million ballots cast in the 2012 election. Yeah- tons of illegal immigrants voting. "Non citizens" includes those in the country legally.
    Splitting hairs again, classic.

    Maybe you should look at other cases and above all how they force white flight and turn areas into leftist strong holds.

    So great to see you find all of that acceptable.

    Just do not whine or complain when more and more of your rights, wealth, and future are stolen away for you. Hope you love what CA and NY do to gun and privacy rights, the mindless regulation and taxes.

    That is the end result and your lies do not change this. You would allow in people who will out vote us and inflect burden and harm on us really does show you for what you are.

    Should the day of the helicopter come do not be shocked if you are taken away along side the 'huddle masses" you adore more then freedom.

    If you are going to reply back, quote me as so it registers instead of blind posting as to avoid a sooner reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestorationOfLiberty View Post
    If you are going to reply back, quote me as so it registers instead of blind posting as to avoid a sooner reply.
    Sorry it so much work for you to find the thread.

    The invasion is imaginary but politicians still use it to scare people into voting for them. But they do it because it works. You are but one example. More have been leaving than coming to the US from Mexico. Most immigration now actually comes from Asia.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/

    This covers legal and illegal immigrants.

    More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.

    Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

    More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here since the end of the Great Recession, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from both countries. The same data sources also show the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s, mostly due to a drop in the number of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S.

    From 2009 to 2014, 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico, according to data from the 2014 Mexican National Survey of Demographic Dynamics (ENADID). U.S. census data for the same period show an estimated 870,000 Mexican nationals left Mexico to come to the U.S., a smaller number than the flow of families from the U.S. to Mexico.




    Nobody is forcing you to hang out with them or adapt to their culture if you don't want to. One of the great things about this country. Freedom of association.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-28-2016 at 02:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sorry it so much work for you to find the thread.

    The invasion is imaginary but politicians still use it to scare people into voting for them. But they do it because it works. You are but one example. More have been leaving than coming to the US from Mexico. Most immigration now actually comes from Asia.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/

    This covers legal and illegal immigrants.







    Nobody is forcing you to hang out with them or adapt to their culture if you don't want to. One of the great things about this country. Freedom of association.
    People are coming from nations other then Mexico, your inalienably to understand this is proof that you are a ideologue.

    I am being forced to pay for their healthcare, welfare, "diversity programs", and having my rights limited because of the crime/terrorism they and their bastard offspring commit.

    Really? Can I or anyone else refuse to rent or service them?

    No? Well then you are clearly wrong. LOL Your immigration supporters are losing more and more.

    I guess you like paying for welfare and the spy/police state, and being out voted in elections, and losing your rights but the rest of us are tried.



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    People are coming from nations other then Mexico, your inalienably to understand this is proof that you are a ideologue.
    When you talked about "white flight" I assumed you meant brown people immigrants.

    inalienably
    Sorry- not familiar with this term.

    Crime and terrorism? Has the crime rate increased as the number of immigrants increased? What? All those criminals and the crime rate went down? How is that possible? It is not logical Mr. Spock. More immigrants should mean MORE crime!


    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-28-2016 at 02:49 AM.

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    Ron Paul- the person this website is dedicated to:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201

    Immigration, however, was another story.

    The 12-term Texas congressman spent the better part of a 25-minute address thinking aloud about the thorny subject. He talked about how Americans are more accepting of outsiders when the economy is good, but when trouble looms there is a search for scapegoats.

    "I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they're the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state," Paul told the group. "In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.


    "Now there's a lot of antagonism and resentment turned just automatically on immigrants," he continued. "You say, no not immigrants, it's just illegal immigrants. I do believe in legal immigration. I want to have a provision to obey those laws. You have to understand this in the context of the economy."

    Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.

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    I'd argue Merkel screwed up. I don't know what the numbers. But they managed to bring 20 million Muslims into western Europe pretty much unabated during the 1980s to 2000s.

    Then in 2014 they let in 1 million or 2 million of the worst specimens.

    I mean the numbers of the current wave of Muslims are not really major long term number compared to overall third world numbers moved into Europe.

    Allowing the EU immigration debate to devolve into talk about white criminals and white job stealers from eastern Europe was also a negative for the open borders agenda.
    BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
    Rand Paul 2010

    Booker T. Washington:
    Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
    fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    When you talked about "white flight" I assumed you meant brown people immigrants.


    Sorry- not familiar with this term.

    Crime and terrorism? Has the crime rate increased as the number of immigrants increased? What? All those criminals and the crime rate went down? How is that possible? It is not logical Mr. Spock. More immigrants should mean MORE crime!


    Correlation does not equal causation and the data proves you wrong.

    In areas with high immigration it does.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...tizens_do.html

    CRIMINAL ALIEN STATISTICS:

    Information on Incarcerations, Arrests, and Costs

    http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...flow%3Atwitter

    If it was not for them crime would be even lower.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ron Paul- the person this website is dedicated to:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201
    Guess what? Ron Paul can be and is wrong! LOL.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    I'd argue Merkel screwed up. I don't know what the numbers. But they managed to bring 20 million Muslims into western Europe pretty much unabated during the 1980s to 2000s.

    Then in 2014 they let in 1 million or 2 million of the worst specimens.

    I mean the numbers of the current wave of Muslims are not really major long term number compared to overall third world numbers moved into Europe.

    Allowing the EU immigration debate to devolve into talk about white criminals and white job stealers from eastern Europe was also a negative for the open borders agenda.
    That is the end result and the facts of the matter so I would say it is not devolving more or less being honest.

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