This is one of the reasons to get a first focal plane scope, instead of the much more common second focal plane scopes used for hunting, etc.Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom
This.
LMT308MWS is the club I want to join. Way to go.
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I am not an expert, but the experts that I have listened to say the scope you want is a NightForce -- they are expensive (about $1,700+) but you get what you pay for. Optics are first rate, the scopes are really durable and hold their zero. Reports are you can take the scope off, beat someone over the head with it and it will still hold its zero.
Worth looking into...
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I'd spend some time in the optics subforum at longrangehunting here:
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f18/
They also have a very healthy marketplace:
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f40/
Also some keywords to look into:
Nightforce
Leupold
Zeiss
US Optics
Vortex
USO
Sightron
Huskemaw
IOR
Badger Base
Schmidt & Bender
Swarovski
Trijicon
Meopta
Khales
ATACR
Steiner
Xtreme Spotting
Bushnell Elite
Weaver Tactical
Burris
Murphy Precision
Swaro
SWFA-HD
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I can verify that this thing totally lives up to it's reputation. I haven't picked a scope yet, so this is on irons at 100yd
Groups should have been smaller, but by glasses kept fogging up in the super hot humidity. When I put a legit optic on this thing, the groups will get significantly smaller. With quality glass I should be under an inch at 100 yd. This rifle is ridiculously insane. I can't wait to decide on an optic to mount on it.
Aye, I know Leupold was the king of scopes from the early 1960's through the early 2000's when they started getting real competition. Now, from what I understand every couple of years or so another brand dominates the ranks of competition shooters for a while and then another brand for another couple years and so on. I believe that free market competition has managed to improve the quality of ALL scopes as they vie for top ranking deployments for long range competitive shooters. From what I understand, Nightforce is dominating competitive shooting in 2016.
Welcome to the club!
I bought mine right after boot camp in 2011. Mine doesn't have the stainless barrel as I went with the chrome lines.
Granted I also put on eotech on it instead of long range optics... I wanted a close up barrier blind rifle.
You might want the luepold mk8.
I'd go with a first focal plane long range optic if I was you regardless if you want range.
Atn isn't that great and if shy away from digital stuff until you are talking nods. You could just join the night vision and thermal club!
Get an IR Hunter from IRD on the tnvc website and have some sweet thermal.
Can't really give advice as I don't own one, and my optics are limited to Trijicons as I know that EOTech just didn't do it for me.
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Alright, I'm having a hard time figuring out what I want, and when that happens it usually helps a lot to seek input from the community and tune my own preferences until I settle.
I just got a good deal on a LMT308MWS with a stainless barrel. This rifle is a 1000 yard shooter, but in order to take advantage of all that I need optics that can keep up with the rifle. Because this is a Ferarri of rifles, I'm pretty much decided that any scope under $500 is probably not going to keep up with the rifle.
Now, my plan was to go on and get a high quality no-power glass optic for between $500 to $800...probably somewhere around 5 to 20 mag, with (preferably) MOA reticle and adjustments; and then LATER save up for a low-light electronic scope that I can swap out for nighttime work.
Then I ran into this thing, $700 does both night and day; but it's electronic. Completely electronic, which yes gives me pause, reliability and all that, but I'm loving some of the other features like the ability to enter different ballistic tables for different rounds with different zeroes, and swap though those profiles when changing ammo.
This thing:
http://www.atncorp.com/x-sight2-hd-d...le-scope-5-20x
It seems to get mixed reviews. Most people love them, a small minority hate them, but most of the ones that hate them seem mollified when ATN swaps out their device for a new one.
Some of y'all have had gun money for longer than I have, and may have either experienced this crazy electronic scope, or have another idea of where I should go.
My primary consideration is that this thing does night vision; which I eventually want anyway. Maybe I can get a low tech glass optic later so I am prepared in case there is a zombie apocalypse and AA batteries are hard to come by...but thinking practically, this would give me both day and night out to 800-900 yards immediately for $700 and I can worry about a $500+ glass optic in another few months after I have installed a few more Google retail spaces for $3k a pop.
Any input on the linked scope, or any direction for a better direction to go in?
Other than grandpa's old .30-06 all my weapons are iron sights, so I do not have the direct experience with scopes that someone who shoots as much as I do normally would. However, it's kind of dumb to keep a 1000 yard .308 on irons, so optics are a must. No sense in paying an obscene amount of money for a 1000 yard shooter and then run sights on it that don't help past 500.
Anyone around with serious rifle optics expertise that can weigh in?
OK Gunny, firstly I will state that electronics take a fairly distant back seat to good optics. If this will be a primary weapon, I would go for pure optics and no electronics, unless the primary role of the weapon is night work.
There is a lot of good glass out there. Zeiss are perhaps tops from the pure optics standpoint. Their scopes tend to be less fancy. So long as one can put lead on target that is not an issue for me.
Night Force makes very fine optics, though not inexpensive. Oddly, I have a very plain Nikon on my M1A, and it is holding < 1/2 MOA @ 100 in an un-bedded gun with NM barrel and good trigger.
US Optics makes very good, but hellishly expensive glass. I do rue my decision to turn down their offer for an SN/9 for $4K. These are no longer made, AFAIK, and were very impressive with either an 80 or 100mm objective. Sight is a bit high over the bore-line, but the long distance advantages were high. No idea why they stopped making them.
As for your rifle, the AR10 may soon become a true 1000 yard gun when I finish my triggers for them. I have two designs on the board, each with its advantages, both with very low lock times. I hope to have the prototypes completed shortly.
Last edited by osan; 08-30-2016 at 10:01 PM. Reason: What a difference one zero can make.
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If you're ever in the south Alabama area, let me know. My father in law has a range for long distance shooting (about 1700 yards total), and I'd love to fire that weapon. Also, I'd be curious to see how much variance there was with shot groups compared to my Sig 716. Not saying one is better than the other, but rather that would be the ultimate standard to see how my 716 measured.
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I'm building a LMT hybrid (Danl Dfnse full auto bolt carrier with billet Shreveport Tact lower) with M4 profile in FDE.
I like LWRC too, but it's way overpriced. I don't see their superior quality justifying that much of a price disparity on their competitors. You can buy a Larue custom for what you spend on a LWRC.
BTW I love the LWRC railskins. Firm, textured and aesthetically pleasing. I have them on many rifles.
Last edited by AuH20; 03-03-2017 at 01:35 PM.
Finally put it together. LMT defender upper, but not on the level of Gunny's .308 spec, which appears to be a higher model than the standard. Though all LMT barrels are normally chrome-lined.
Last edited by AuH20; 03-23-2017 at 10:50 AM.
What's the operating weight on the rifle with scope and rings? 11 pounds or greater? .308s are typically heavier.
So Gunny, did you get a Nightforce scope for that rifle?
https://www.amazon.com/NightForce-Pr...=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
This one is heavier still, considering I am running the stainless barrel. The LM308MWSF is 10.2 lb empty without a scope. I took the BUIS off since they impinge the scope. Subtract the BUIS and add the scope we are looking maybe 10.6 to 10.7 lb?
I have been in a thousand places in a million directions especially recently; I will add more to this thread.
I ended up with a Sightron SIII SS6 24X50 LR FFP/MOA Magnification: 6-24, Object Diameter: 50mm,Tube Diameter: 30mm, MOA-2 Reticle First Focal Plane. Weighs 24.3 oz
https://sightronusa.com/index.php/pr...24x50lrffpmoa/
Please let us know how it works out for you.
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