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    Apple won't aid GOP convention over Trump

    Apple has told Republican leaders it will not provide funding or other support for the party’s 2016 presidential convention, as it's done in the past, citing Donald Trump’s controversial comments about women, immigrants and minorities.

    Unlike Facebook, Google and Microsoft, which have all said they will provide some support to the GOP event in Cleveland next month, Apple decided against donating technology or cash to the effort, according to two sources familiar with the iPhone maker’s plans.

    Apple’s political stand against Trump, communicated privately to Republicans, is a sign of the widening tensions between Silicon Valley and the GOP’s bombastic presumptive nominee. Trump has trained his rhetorical fire on the entire tech industry, but he's singled out Apple for particular criticism -- calling for a boycott of the company's products, and slamming CEO Tim Cook, over Apple's stance on encryption.

    Apple declined to comment for this story, and it's unclear how the company plans to handle the Democratic convention in Philadelphia this summer.

    A spokeswoman for the GOP's convention host committee did not respond to a request for comment. The Republican National Committee also did not comment for this story.

    While Apple isn’t the most active political player in the nation’s capital, the tech giant previously has backed both parties’ conventions. It provided about $140,000 in MacBooks and other tech tools to the Democratic and Republican events in 2008, according to campaign finance records. Apple sat out the nominating conventions in 2012, the year Democrats opted against accepting corporate contributions.

    Typically, the tech industry tries to court Democrats and Republicans in equal measure. Despite the liberal leanings of Silicon Valley's top executives, companies like Google and Facebook long have split their election-year donations among both parties’ officeholders. While Apple does not have a political action committee, Cook on his own has tried to forge personal relationships with Democratic and GOP lawmakers. He even dined in D.C. last year, for example, with a quartet of top House Republicans.

    ...By declining to provide support, Apple joins a short list of tech companies taking a stand directly against Trump. Under pressure from activists at ColorofChange.org, HP, Inc., a major donor to the GOP convention in 2012, announced in June it would not help fund the convention in Cleveland.

    “We want them to divest from hate. We want them to pull all their money and support,” said Mary Alice Crim, field director for Free Press Action Fund, which is part of the anti-Trump campaign. Tech companies backing the convention, she said, need to be “thinking hard about where they put their brand, and whether they want to align their brand with racism, hatred and misogyny.”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...r-trump-224513
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    If they did it because he wanted to force them to hack their own phones I would support them. Their stated reason is dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If they did it because he wanted to force them to hack their own phones I would support them. Their stated reason is dumb.
    You can bet your bottom dollar that the real reason Apple is dropping them is on account of the iPhone thing and Trump's call to boycott Apple, but because the marketing department thinks that sounds superficial and self serving they want Cook to say "X, Y, Z" instead. Not that that makes it any better, really, but billion dollar companies think in dollars not special snowflakes. If they are talking special snowflake you can bet it's just to make a dollar decision (they THINK) sound more palatable for public consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If they did it because he wanted to force them to hack their own phones I would support them. Their stated reason is dumb.
    If they could get away handing all your info to the government without taking criticism, believe me, they would. All huge multinational corporations are run by statist scum. That is what is so infuriating about the GOP's pro-corporate stances. No group in America is more committed to socialism and one world government than large corporations and their radical left wing leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    If they could get away handing all your info to the government without taking criticism, believe me, they would. All huge multinational corporations are run by statist scum. That is what is so infuriating about the GOP's pro-corporate stances. No group in America is more committed to socialism and one world government than large corporations and their radical left wing leadership.

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    Gee, I can't imagine why Apple, whose employees live large on the labor of people who are so near to slavery that many have jumped to their deaths, would dislike Donald Trump who wants American companies to make their products in the United States.

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    Ford pulled their sponsorship, too. Trump is a billionaire and is self-funding, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    With the Bilderberg 2016 meeting now humming along at the Taschenbergpalais hotel in Dresden, deep behind closed doors and protected by heavily-armed guards, many have wondered: just how hyperbolic are allegations that the Bilderbergs run the world.

    To help readers decide, here is a chart laying out the linkages and various connections - financial, political, statutory and otherwise - between the handful of people who comprise the Bilderberg core and the rest of the world.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...elp-you-decide



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    Glad you posted that because I was about to defend that remark about statists. It's just happens to be a global state/one world world government but it's government + corporate power, nonetheless. The corporations love it because they control it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Ford pulled their sponsorship, too. Trump is a billionaire and is self-funding, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
    While I fully understand people not liking Trump, you seem to be a one trick pony on this. Maybe you should work for the DNC.

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    Major companies decline to fund 2016 GOP convention

    Several major companies that sponsored the 2012 Republican National Convention will not be sponsoring the event this year in Cleveland, where Donald Trump is expected to be officially nominated as the party’s presidential nominee.

    Wells Fargo, UPS, Motorola, JPMorgan Chase, Ford and Walgreens all told Bloomberg they won’t sponsor this year’s convention, despite helping to fund the last GOP summit in 2012.

    None of the companies commented on whether their decision to pull out was because of the GOP’s divisive presumptive nominee.

    Trump routinely lashes out at Ford in his stump speech, blasting the company for moving a factory from the U.S. to Mexico. The car company said it would not support either party’s convention.

    And Wells Fargo says that they decided last year not to fund the GOP's convention in Cleveland, though they will still be sponsoring the Democratic convention's host committee in Philadelphia due to their large market share there.

    "We are supporting the City of Philadelphia host committee given our significant community bank and team member presence," Wells Fargo spokeswoman Erika Reynoso told The Hill on Friday. "Our decisions around the host committees were determined late last year before either party determined the nominees. This is consistent with our past practices."

    JPMorgan, Walgreens, UPS and Motorola will not sponsor either party’s convention.

    Walgreens told The Hill Friday it would sponsor other events at both parties' conventions.

    A source familiar with the convention's fundraising told The Hill on Thursday that the companies had never planned on sponsoring the convention and that the Bloomberg report was based on information from a year ago.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...op-convention#
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Glad you posted that because I was about to defend that remark about statists. It's just happens to be a global state/one world world government but it's government + corporate power, nonetheless. The corporations love it because they control it.
    Absolutely. RonPaulMall's statement in it's entirety:

    If they could get away handing all your info to the government without taking criticism, believe me, they would. All huge multinational corporations are run by statist scum. That is what is so infuriating about the GOP's pro-corporate stances. No group in America is more committed to socialism and one world government than large corporations and their radical left wing leadership.
    Is consistent with what you posted in the Bilderberg thread:

    Although its annual reports are available for purchase, its inner workings, current goals, and operations are secret – with good reason. Its objectives harm the public so mustn’t be revealed. Trilaterals over Washington author Antony Sutton wrote:

    “this group of private citizens is precisely organized in a manner that ensures its collective views have significant impact on public policy.”

    In her book, Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management, Holly Sklar wrote:

    Powerful figures in America, Europe, and East Asia let “the rich….safeguard the interests of Western capitalism in an explosive world – probably by discouraging protectionism, nationalism, or any response that would pit the elites of one against the elites of another,” in their common quest for global dominance.

    Trilateralist Zbigniew Brzezinski (TC’s co-founder) wrote in his Between Two Ages – America’s Role in the Technotronic Era:

    “people, governments and economies of all nations must serve the needs of multinational banks and corporations. (The Constitution is) inadequate….the old framework of international politics, with their sphere of influence….the fiction of sovereignty….is clearly no longer compatible with reality….”

    TC today is now global with members from countries as diverse as Argentina, Ukraine, Israel, Jordan, Brazil, Turkey, China and Russia. In his Trilaterals Over America, Antony Sutton believes that TC’s aim is to collaborate with Bilderbergers and CFR in “establishing public policy objectives to be implemented by governments worldwide.” He added that “Trilateralists have rejected the US Constitution and the democratic political process.” In fact, TC was established to counter a “crisis in democracy” – too much of it that had to be contained.

    An official TC report was fearful about “the increased popular participation in and control over established social, political, and economic institutions and especially a reaction against the concentration of power of Congress and of state and local government.”

    To address this, media control was essential to exert “restraint on what newspapers may publish (and TV and radio broadcast).” Then according to Richard Gardner in the July 1974 issue of Foreign Affairs (a CFR publication):

    CFR’s leadership must make “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece,” until the very notion disappears from public discourse.

    Bilderberg/CFR/Trilateralist success depends on finding “a way to get us to surrender our liberties in the name of some common threat or crisis. The foundations, educational institutions, and research think tanks supported by (these organizations) oblige by financing so-called ‘studies’ which are then used to justify their every excess. The excuses vary, but the target is always individual liberty. Our liberty” and much more.

    Bilderbergers, Trilateralists and CFR members want “an all-encompassing monopoly” – over government, money, industry, and property that’s “self-perpetuating and eternal.” In Confessions of a Monopolist (1906), Frederick C. Howe explained its workings in practice:

    “The rules of big business: Get a monopoly; let Society work for you. So long as we see all international revolutionaries and all international capitalists as implacable enemies of one another, then we miss a crucial point….a partnership between international monopoly capitalism and international revolutionary socialism is for their mutual benefit.”

    In the Rockefeller File, Gary Allen wrote:

    “By the late nineteenth century, the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood that the most efficient way to gain a monopoly was to say it was for the ‘public good’ and ‘public interest.’ “

    David Rockefeller learned the same thing from his father, John D., Jr. who learned it from his father, John D. Sr. They hated competition and relentlessly strove to eliminate it – for David on a global scale through a New World Order.

    In the 1970s and 1980s, Trilateralists and CFR members collaborated on the latter’s “1980 Project,” the largest ever CFR initiative to steer world events “toward a particular desirable future outcome (involving) the utter disintegration of the economy.” Why so is the question?

    Because by the 1950s and 1960s, worldwide industrial growth meant more competition. It was also a model to be followed, and “had to be strangled in the cradle” or at least greatly contained. In America as well beginning in the 1980s. The result has been a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, shrinkage of the middle class, and plan for its eventual demise.

    http://www.globaltruth.net/the-true-...derberg-group/
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6242612

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    The concept of three degrees of separation would seem to indicate that one can completely replicate this chart with any 60 billionaires chosen at random.

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    Global corporations are not going to fund anything that runs counter to their NWO/one world government agenda. This is not rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Global corporations are not going to fund anything that runs counter to their NWO/one world government agenda. This is not rocket science.
    I'm pretty sure that the only agendas promoted by big multinational corps, are the agendas of their boards and investors. Sometimes terrible people are on boards and invest in companies. The companies aren't evil any more than guns kill. The people running the companies are as responsible for their own evils as are the people who pull the triggers on the guns responsible for the people whom they murder.

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Because something like this would have no impact at all on Apple's decision to help fund Trump's nomination. No, it has to be some multinational NWO Bilderberg Trilateral cabal flipping Trump the bird, because reasons.

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    Chef Geoffrey Zakarian also pulled out of opening a resturant at one of Trump's hotels.

    Zakarian says in legal papers filed in February that Trump’s remarks, made “to pander to a particular political segment,” were made “with absolutely no regard to the effect they would have” on Zakarian’s ability to run a restaurant in “a project that bears Mr. Trump’s name and that is intertwined with him and his brand.”
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...nap-story.html

    This is the down side of being so politically incorrect, if you offend people those people will take their business elsewhere. This is why Trump people like him so much cos they somehow think Trump would make it possible for them to say anything they want without any consequences in the free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Because something like this would have no impact at all on Apple's decision to help fund Trump's nomination. No, it has to be some multinational NWO Bilderberg Trilateral cabal flipping Trump the bird, because reasons.
    Uh, RonPallMall didn't disagree with you on that point. What he said was that:

    If they could get away handing all your info to the government without taking criticism, believe me, they would

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the only agendas promoted by big multinational corps, are the agendas of their boards and investors. Sometimes terrible people are on boards and invest in companies. The companies aren't evil any more than guns kill. The people running the companies are as responsible for their own evils as are the people who pull the triggers on the guns responsible for the people whom they murder.

    All they care about is money and globalization provides a framework where they can make the most money. It runs completely counter to the interests of most people in the United States, our constitution and any ideas about sovereignty. What they are engaged in is not harmless and has nothing to do with any kind of a real free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Chef Geoffrey Zakarian also pulled out of opening a resturant at one of Trump's hotels.



    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...nap-story.html

    This is the down side of being so politically incorrect, if you offend people those people will take their business elsewhere. This is why Trump people like him so much cos they somehow think Trump would make it possible for them to say anything they want without any consequences in the free market.

    Bullsh/t. Have you seen North Carolina buckle to these boycotts that are being used to force the social engineering of the LGBTQXYZ perverted agenda? Do you think those of us who oppose cultural Marxism and the NWO give a damn about the consequences of standing up against this bullying? Is your advocating of liberty, in any form, about saying anything you like and "consequences" or is it based upon your beliefs? Do you need someone to make it okay for you say anything you want? I don't. People gravitated to Trump because he was the only candidate to voice the concerns they already had.

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    Steve Jobs was Apple, and Jobs is gone, as Apple will be as long as it emphasizes political PC such as coming out of the closet instead of continuous cutting-edge innovation and invention. But as previously stated, Apple was Jobs and Jobs is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    The concept of three degrees of separation would seem to indicate that one can completely replicate this chart with any 60 billionaires chosen at random.

    A book you should read while on overnight stays in hotels-
    A scientific look at how a small group of people stay in power and how
    C. Wright Mills- The Power Elite
    overview- http://www.faculty.rsu.edu/users/f/f...ays/Mills2.htm

    the book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Elite-C.../dp/0195133544
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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Bullsh/t. Have you seen North Carolina buckle to these boycotts that are being used to force the social engineering of the LGBTQXYZ perverted agenda? Do you think those of us who oppose cultural Marxism and the NWO give a damn about the consequences of standing up against this bullying? Is your advocating of liberty, in any form, about saying anything you like and "consequences" or is it based upon your beliefs? Do you need someone to make it okay for you say anything you want? I don't. People gravitated to Trump because he was the only candidate to voice the concerns they already had.
    Consequences here is the chef backing out of the deal. He probably has Mexican friends, co workers, business partners that he like more than the any money Trump and his hotel could make for him. He probably evaluated the whole relationship and came out with the conclusion that working with an abrasive guys such as Trump may not be good for the image he wants to cultivate.

    Consequences.



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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Gee, I can't imagine why Apple, whose employees live large on the labor of people who are so near to slavery that many have jumped to their deaths, would dislike Donald Trump who wants American companies to make their products in the United States.
    Don't blame the companies- the US gov has driven business out of the country with mega regulations, labor unions, and minimum wage etc. Most companies would rather stay in the US but cannot profit here.

    There is no real capitalism in the US- it is now mercantilism, which is the reason we fought the Revolutionary War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliPsy View Post
    Steve Jobs was Apple, and Jobs is gone, as Apple will be as long as it emphasizes political PC such as coming out of the closet instead of continuous cutting-edge innovation and invention. But as previously stated, Apple was Jobs and Jobs is gone.
    Same with Disney. When Disney died, so did the creativity of the company.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Don't blame the companies- the US gov has driven business out of the country with mega regulations, labor unions, and minimum wage etc. Most companies would rather stay in the US but cannot profit here.

    There is no real capitalism in the US- it is now mercantilism, which is the reason we fought the Revolutionary War.
    Other than labor not owning the means of production, I'm never sure what the definition of capitalism really is. Mercantilism I had to look up to be sure:



    Definition of mercantilism

    1
    : the theory or practice of mercantile pursuits : commercialism

    2
    : an economic system developing during the decay of feudalism to unify and increase the power and especially the monetary wealth of a nation by a strict governmental regulation of the entire national economy usually through policies designed to secure an accumulation of bullion, a favorable balance of trade, the development of agriculture and manufactures, and the establishment of foreign trading monopolies.


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mercantilism


    Mercantilism is the main economic system used during the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries. The main goal was to increase a nation's wealth by imposing government regulation concerning all of the nation's commercial interests. It was believed that national strength could be maximized by limiting imports via tariffs and maximizing exports.

    This approach assumes the wealth of a nation depends primarily on the possession of precious metals such as gold and silver. This type of system cannot be maintained forever, because the global economy would become stagnant if every country wanted to export and no one wanted to import. After a period of time, many people began to revolt against the idea of mercantilism and stressed the need for free trade. The continued pressure resulted in the implementation of laissez faire economics in the nineteenth century.


    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mercantilism.asp


    I'm not seeing what's going on as fitting with those definitions. Some parts, like government regulations, yes, but not the rest. The globalization going on has nothing to with increasing the wealth of the nation. It's purely about increasing the wealth of a few and creating a class of oligarchs.

    I don't buy for a minute that Apple wouldn't be making money if it manufactured in the US. Because their products are already so expensive, it would cut into profits but they would still sell a lot of product.

    I sure do blame them for the decisions they make. They are free to make them, too, but we could be just as free to lock them out of the US market. Fair is fair, after all.

    There is no free trade (other than the flea market) so why be suckers and let corporations + their whores in govt suck the life blood out of the country to enrich themselves and destroy the country?


    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mercantilism.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Other than labor not owning the means of production, I'm never sure what the definition of capitalism really is. Mercantilism I had to look up to be sure:



    Definition of mercantilism

    1
    : the theory or practice of mercantile pursuits : commercialism

    2
    : an economic system developing during the decay of feudalism to unify and increase the power and especially the monetary wealth of a nation by a strict governmental regulation of the entire national economy usually through policies designed to secure an accumulation of bullion, a favorable balance of trade, the development of agriculture and manufactures, and the establishment of foreign trading monopolies.


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mercantilism


    Mercantilism is the main economic system used during the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries. The main goal was to increase a nation's wealth by imposing government regulation concerning all of the nation's commercial interests. It was believed that national strength could be maximized by limiting imports via tariffs and maximizing exports.

    This approach assumes the wealth of a nation depends primarily on the possession of precious metals such as gold and silver. This type of system cannot be maintained forever, because the global economy would become stagnant if every country wanted to export and no one wanted to import. After a period of time, many people began to revolt against the idea of mercantilism and stressed the need for free trade. The continued pressure resulted in the implementation of laissez faire economics in the nineteenth century.


    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mercantilism.asp


    I'm not seeing what's going on as fitting with those definitions. Some parts, like government regulations, yes, but not the rest. The globalization going on has nothing to with increasing the wealth of the nation. It's purely about increasing the wealth of a few and creating a class of oligarchs.

    I don't buy for a minute that Apple wouldn't be making money if it manufactured in the US. Because their products are already so expensive, it would cut into profits but they would still sell a lot of product.

    I sure do blame them for the decisions they make. They are free to make them, too, but we could be just as free to lock them out of the US market. Fair is fair, after all.

    There is no free trade (other than the flea market) so why be suckers and let corporations + their whores in govt suck the life blood out of the country to enrich themselves and destroy the country?


    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mercantilism.asp
    Mercantilism is a government regulating what you can or cannot buy or trade and only allowing what it feels is profitable for said government. It is called crony capitalism today.

    The Boston tea Party was in rebellion to England only allowing colonists to have tea from the East India Company- at extremely high prices- PLUS it was a rebellion against taxation w/o representation.

    1. The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.
    The protestors who caffeinated Boston Harbor were railing against the Tea Act, which the British government enacted in the spring of 1773. Rather than inflicting new levies, however, the legislation actually reduced the total tax on tea sold in America by the East India Company and would have allowed colonists to purchase tea at half the price paid by British consumers. The Tea Act, though, did leave in place the hated three-pence-per-pound duty enacted by the Townshend Acts in 1767, and it irked colonists as another instance of taxation legislation being passed by Parliament without their input and consent. The principle of self-governance, not the burden of higher taxes, motivated political opposition to the Tea Act.
    There is no spoon.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Mercantilism is a government regulating what you can or cannot buy or trade and only allowing what it feels is profitable for said government. It is called crony capitalism today.

    The Boston tea Party was in rebellion to England only allowing colonists to have tea from the East India Company- at extremely high prices- PLUS it was a rebellion against taxation w/o representation.
    Thanks, Ender. Definition of terms is very helpful.

    Those definitions I posted showed far more than just what you stated, though. In any event, since we do not have unregulated free trade but crony capitalism globalization, I prefer mercantilism as defined by what I linked. I remember when nearly everything we used in our daily lives was made here and life was better then. There wasn't the horrible disparity of wealth, either.

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    Apple CEO Tim Cook will fundraise for Republicans

    Apple CEO Tim Cook will host a private breakfast for Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan next week, Politico reports.

    The breakfast is being hosted by Cook, according to the report, and not Apple itself. The event is expected to raise funds that will help elect House Republicans as well as Ryan.

    The move is a sign that Apple remains a bipartisan tech company, even as it has withdrawn its support for the Republican National Convention because of presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump's controversial views and campaign...
    http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-c...ul-ryan-2016-6
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