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  1. #511
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyExtremist View Post
    I guess I'm kind of surprised and confused by some of the reactions of some on this thread. I 100% agree that we need to completely change our middle-east foreign policy. I also 100% agree that the Muslims in those regions have the right to decide how they want to live and what they want to believe. However, where some of my fellow libertarians lose me is why the need to defend Islam? Islam is an idea and it is an idea that is not generally compatible with Western notions of liberty and freedom. In order to make Islam compatible with Western notions of liberty/freedom pretty much requires the follower of Islam to abandon most of their religion. If a religion is a $#@! idea, it doesn't deserve special consideration or treatment just because it is a religion.

    It is not just followers of Islam either, some Christians believe it is the duty of their government to institute Christian values and take care of the "blessed" poor by raising taxes. However, you generally don't see the Western Christian stoning an adulteress, beheading those who disagree with them, or hanging homosexuals. Some ideas are just $#@! folks and not compatible, I don't get why it is "bigoted" to point out that glaring truth.

    The real concern and questions we should be asking is why the left defends Islam at all costs? It should be concerning that the media has pushed the narrative that so-called lack of gun control is to blame for this tragedy.
    The narrative is being pushed to fear an enemy that TPTB created- on purpose.
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  3. #512
    WHOA.

    Interesting days ahead-

    Thanks, @dannno.
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  5. #513
    So- no more news on this?
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  6. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So- no more news on this?
    Nah, the agenda has been moved forward. Time to bury the facts...
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  7. #515
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So- no more news on this?
    Do you think "News Agencies" are going to cover this?

    I don't expect so. It would be a surprise.. and would it open up some other stories?
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  8. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, well. That explains why the story of the Crusades was one of a group of people traveling from Europe to the Middle East in peace and getting slaughtered.

    Oh, wait...

    Extreme fundamentalism does not generally pay attention to the actual facts of what their religion does and does not encourage. I know the word 'fundamental' would make it seem that they do, but they do not.

    And Mohammed 'generally' did not advocate violence either.
    I'm against discrimination against any religious or ethnic group, and I'm an atheist who thinks every religion (especially monetheistic religion) has issues with violence and tolerance, whether from the text or from group politics. Saying that Muhammad did not generally advocate violence is 100% false. Period. He personally oversaw the slaughter of thousands of innocent people. You can't have your own facts. When millions of Muslims support killing people because their religious prophet told them to, criticizing the religion isn't hateful, its just talking. We have public university professors who get paid six figures just to criticize Christianity all day. Criticizing an ideology isn't evil.

    Oh yeah, and he raped at least one nine year old girl, one of his wives. I personally consider that an act of violence. But that's just me.




    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

    Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

    Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

    Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

    Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

    Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

    Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

    Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

    Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


    Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

    Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


    Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

    Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

    Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

    Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]

    Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

    Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

    Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

    Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

    Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

    Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

    Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

    Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the "cause": "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

    Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity ['Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

    Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
    Last edited by OReich; 07-01-2016 at 07:04 PM.
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  9. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by OReich View Post
    I'm against discrimination against any religious or ethnic group,<snip>
    Good..

    What does that have to do with the Police Shooting up a nightclub?

    Unless you are still trying to blame brown people for some unknown reason.

    the Patsy was a gay actor,, born and raised in the USA.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  10. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Good..

    What does that have to do with the Police Shooting up a nightclub?

    Unless you are still trying to blame brown people for some unknown reason.

    the Patsy was a gay actor,, born and raised in the USA.
    Just spreading the hate- some live for it.
    There is no spoon.

  11. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Just spreading the hate- some live for it.
    Well, at least let us properly direct it.

    There is anger,, and much justified anger. But it is being misdirected.

    Politicians and Media are both stoking the fire..

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  12. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Just spreading the hate- some live for it.
    So is it 'spreading the hate' when I call Christians and Jews homophobic for opposing gay marriage? Or is Islam the only religion where criticism means 'spreading the hate?' The majority of British Muslims think it should be illegal to be gay. Is it 'spreading the hate' for me to give a $#@!? Is it 'spreading the hate' when I say Scientology is a stupid joke? Is it 'spreading the hate' when I think atheists should be more polite and not assume that all religious ppl are crazy? Islam is one of the most popular political ideologies today, over half of the world's Muslims think their religion has to be the law. Is it 'spreading the hate' to disagree with that? I understand that people can be religious without being bigoted or violent, I consider myself an atheist Jew (I know its meaningless and weird, that's just how I identify), so I know religion can be just like a race or an ethnicity. But to hundreds of millions of Muslims, the majority of them in fact, its also an authoritarian political ideology. Opposing authoritarianism isn't 'spreading the hate.'

    So tell me: is it only spreading the hate when I criticise Islam, but its NOT spreading the hate when I say Judaism is a weird cult? I think its hilarious that ppl in the West bend over backwards to condemn criticism of Islam, when virtually every Muslim majority country makes it illegal to criticize Islam. Its incredible that authoritarians can replace the word 'blasphemy' with 'hate crime,' and Westerners actually get duped by this bullsh!t. I wrote college essays criticizing ALL RELIGION. Don't tell me I'm 'spreading the hate' for caring about a massive authoritarian ideology that's openly calling for my death. Denying radical Islam is just as outrageous as denying the Crusades or the Holocaust or Vietnam or slavery. Its just silliness. And if you're not denying radical Islam, then why the f*ck would you say I'm 'spreading the hate' for criticizing it?
    Last edited by OReich; 07-01-2016 at 09:22 PM.
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  14. #521
    Quote Originally Posted by OReich View Post

    [B]So tell me: ?
    I am trying to..

    THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION..

    any of them,
    except State Worship.

    The Police shot and killed everyone in that club,,

    nothing to do with religion.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  15. #522
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I am trying to..

    THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION..

    any of them,
    except State Worship.

    The Police shot and killed everyone in that club,,

    nothing to do with religion.
    Here's a poll showing that the majority of the world's Muslims support Sharia law (just like Judaism and Christianity were all about authoritarianism before they secularized). Are you saying this poll was really just US soldiers, US cops and CIA agents pretending to be Muslim civilians answering the poll? You think Pew polling is part of your big grand conspiracy also? Radical Islam/Sharia law is just another form of statism, its 'state worship.' Religion and statism aren't mutually exclusive.



    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...iety-overview/
    Last edited by OReich; 07-01-2016 at 07:49 PM.
    Yours is the aim to make this grand country grander,
    This you will do, that's our strong, firm belief.
    Hail to the one we selected as commander,
    Hail to the President! Hail to the Chief!

  16. #523
    Quote Originally Posted by OReich View Post
    Here's a poll [/IMG]
    How is that even remotely relevant to American Citizens being murdered by Police?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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  18. #525
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Good..

    What does that have to do with the Police Shooting up a nightclub?

    Unless you are still trying to blame brown people for some unknown reason.

    the Patsy was a gay actor,, born and raised in the USA.

    "Brown people".


    Give it a rest.
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  19. #526
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Brown people".


    Give it a rest.
    Hey I don't know what this guys trip is (we have so many here)

    But Orlando had nothing to do with Islam.. in any way..

    save as a scapegoat.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  20. #527
    'I just made it up': Florida Dem admits lying about treating Pulse shooting victims after going on the record as saying 'I personally removed 77 bullets from 32 people. It was like an assembly line'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-victims.html

    20 July 2019

    A queeer Democratic politician who claimed to have treated Pulse nightclub shooting victims admitted to Florida officials that she lied about her service.

    Elizabeth McCarthy told the Florida Department of Health that she had fabricated claims that she was a cardiologist who had treated victims of the mass shooting on the LGBT destination.

    'I lied. It is a false statement. I just made it up,' McCarthy said, according to an affidavit released Wednesday by the Florida Department of Health and obtained by Florida Politics.

    The department charged her with violating state law under the unlicensed activity statutes.

    They are seeking a fine of more than $1,000 and is serving her a cease-and-desist order which would prohibit her from telling anyone else that she is a medical doctor.

    Medical Quality Assurance Investigator questioned McCarthy on July 9 and then filed the cease-and-desist order on Wednesday.

    When asked why she lied, McCarthy reportedly 'apologized' and said that she was 'portraying a life that wasn't true.

    She added: 'I wanted to be somebody in the community, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I gave any impersonation. I knew it was wrong and I should have stopped by no means did I ever mean to put anybody in jeopardy.'

    Her total penalty is $3,094.95 and she has 30 days to dispute the the investigation.

    McCarthy, 50, withdrew from the race for House District 28 in June, two weeks after her claims and credentials were called into question.

    The Pulse nightclub massacre on June 12, 2016, was at the time the deadliest mass-shooting in US history.

    Omar Mateen, 29, killed 49 people and wounded 53 others at the gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, using a semi-automatic rifle and a Glock pistol.

    Mateen, who pledged allegiance to ISIS, was killed on the scene by police.

    McCarthy had claimed at a gun control panel earlier this year that she was working as a cardiologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center on the night of the attack.

    She said: 'I personally removed 77 bullets from 32 people It was like an assembly line.'


    The only problem: the hospital said it had no record of her employment there, and the state Department of Health has no record of McCarthy being a licensed doctor.

    Yes, I am a doctor,' McCarthy insisted when approached with the apparent contradictions. 'Yes, I did work the night of Pulse.'

  21. #528
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The department charged her with violating state law under the unlicensed activity statutes.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-victims.html
    ...and she only admitted she made the whole story up, after she'd been charged for practicing medicine without a license! What an ignoramus!



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  23. #529
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    'I just made it up': Florida Dem admits lying about treating Pulse shooting victims after going on the record as saying 'I personally removed 77 bullets from 32 people. It was like an assembly line'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-victims.html

    20 July 2019

    A queeer Democratic politician who claimed to have treated Pulse nightclub shooting victims admitted to Florida officials that she lied about her service.

    Elizabeth McCarthy told the Florida Department of Health that she had fabricated claims that she was a cardiologist who had treated victims of the mass shooting on the LGBT destination.

    'I lied. It is a false statement. I just made it up,' McCarthy said, according to an affidavit released Wednesday by the Florida Department of Health and obtained by Florida Politics.
    ...
    McCarthy had claimed at a gun control panel earlier this year that she was working as a cardiologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center on the night of the attack.

    She said: 'I personally removed 77 bullets from 32 people It was like an assembly line.'
    ...
    Lying is simply a tool to some when there is an agenda. The ends justify the means. By any means necessary. BAMN.
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  25. #531
    From the Daily Mail article.
    A ***** Democratic politician who claimed to have treated Pulse nightclub shooting victims admitted to Floridaofficials that she lied about her service.
    Ummmm.....I didn't think we were supposed to be calling them "q-u-e-e-r" these days. I'm so $#@!ing confused.

    The board filter wouldn't even let it through.
    Last edited by Jenard Butler; 07-21-2019 at 11:05 AM.

  26. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Pulse nightclub massacre on June 12, 2016, was at the time the deadliest mass-shooting in US history.

    Omar Mateen, 29, killed 49 people and wounded 53 others at the gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, using a semi-automatic rifle and a Glock pistol.

    Mateen, who pledged allegiance to ISIS, was killed on the scene by police.
    If it turned out that everybody was lying about what happened that night and it was a drill, as many alleged via video and interview evidence, the media would STILL continue to report this part as if it were the truth.
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    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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