Molyneux the Nationalist

[RestorationOfLiberty]

The title of the video is in the picture below, links to sources in the description of the video on youtube:

Why do they repeat these well know lies?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Which is to say "more welfare for whites." I almost never see trumpies calling for actually dismantling the welfare state.

His job is to stop the bleeding, IQ moronic trade that creates millions of people in need of welfare, and imported more clients for the welfare state IE mass 3rd world immigration.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Cuckold is actually the ideal term for many of these knowingly blind dopes. Multinational corporations feed us this lie of unfettered immigration through clever egalitarian language and some people just swallow every drop of deceit. The ruse is that YOU ARE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY REPLACED BECAUSE YOU AREN'T MALLEABLE ENOUGH FOR THEIR AGENDA. Corporate America wants mindless proles that will roll over and play dead upon receiving a tasty treat.

Why cant people understand this?

[timosman]

[idiom]

Lol Israel has 5 times as many refugees per capita than the US. It is on its way to matching Scandinavian countries.

But don't let facts slow down anyone's white nationalism.

Here at fact-free forums we make up what suits today's racist diatribe.

We might even try to look like we care about individuals and liberty.

[juleswin]

Lol Israel has 5 times as many refugees per capita than the US. It is on its way to matching Scandinavian countries.

But don't let facts slow down anyone's white nationalism.

Here at fact-free forums we make up what suits today's racist diatribe.

We might even try to look like we care about individuals and liberty.

But unlike the US, most of those refugees and immigrants are workers who are not part of the society i.e. they come and go.

[juleswin]

Dueling videos

Stefan could have asked himself the question since he is also a Jewish person.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

God Bless this man.

Lol Israel has 5 times as many refugees per capita than the US. It is on its way to matching Scandinavian countries.

But don't let facts slow down anyone's white nationalism.

Here at fact-free forums we make up what suits today's racist diatribe.

You do know they count jews flee Europe as "refugees", right? You do know they do count workers as "refugees" right? You do know they inflate those numbers to get extra money from the U.N, right?

You do know calling people "racists" makes you look like a ignorant person and does not end the debate, right?

We might even try to look like we care about individuals and liberty.

Why should we care about the Liberty of those who will vote it away, or work against our interests?

But unlike the US, most of those refugees and immigrants are workers who are not part of the society i.e. they come and go.

Facts do not matter to him, only 'muh feels".

[BUTSRSLY]

SOME OF YOU FOOLS THOUGHT HE WAS A PAINFULLY WHITE MAN WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE BALD

BUT THE REST OF US ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS JUST A DIRTY SKINHEAD ALL ALONG.





BORN THAT WAY

[RestorationOfLiberty]

SOME OF YOU FOOLS THOUGHT HE WAS A PAINFULLY WHITE MAN WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE BALD

BUT THE REST OF US ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS JUST A DIRTY SKINHEAD ALL ALONG.




BORN THAT WAY

The Leftist hate him because he uses facts, logic, humor and acting to make a valid point.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

Does it bother anybody here that Stefan Molyneux, who used to be a hard core anarcho-capitalist, is now essentially a nationalist?

After being convinced of the following precepts:
-Crime is related to genetics
-IQ is related to genetics
-Cultural compatibility is necessary for a free society, and also largely genetic

He's basically totally flipped his mindset into supporting strong borders, strong communities and cultural values, and even a strong religion. He now regularly makes videos on the genetics of crime and the heritability of intelligence, and virulently supports Donald Trump.

So did he just go insane? Or does he have a point?

I thought nationalism is just putting your country first.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I thought nationalism is just putting your country first.

I always watch his videos while cleaning my gear....

[LibertyEagle]

Lol Israel has 5 times as many refugees per capita than the US. It is on its way to matching Scandinavian countries.

But don't let facts slow down anyone's white nationalism.

Here at fact-free forums we make up what suits today's racist diatribe.

We might even try to look like we care about individuals and liberty.

"In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't even a thing nor are capital gains taxes
Constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care"

And if I recall, New Zealand has some of the tougher immigration requirements of anyone, right? Requirements that NZ actually enforces. Is that fair to say, Idiom?

Given that New Zealand is an island, you probably don't have much of an issue with illegal aliens streaming across your border and murdering citizens on a daily basis. And millions going on the dole the minute they arrive; free education, free healthcare, welfare, etc. But, tell me, how many Syrian refugees is New Zealand accepting? What about African refugees? I'm wondering how long, what you are so clearly proud of and should be, would last if you were. Because those seats in Parliament? It wouldn't take long for your nirvana to be voted out and replaced with a welfare state to benefit those who wanted handouts.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

"In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't even a thing nor are capital gains taxes
Constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care"

And if I recall, New Zealand has some of the tougher immigration requirements of anyone, right? Requirements that NZ actually enforces. Is that fair to say, Idiom?

Given that New Zealand is an island, you probably don't have much of an issue with illegal aliens streaming across your border and murdering citizens on a daily basis. And millions going on the dole the minute they arrive; free education, free healthcare, welfare, etc. But, tell me, how many Syrian refugees is New Zealand accepting? What about African refugees? I'm wondering how long, what you are so clearly proud of and should be, would last if you were. Because those seats in Parliament? It wouldn't take long for your nirvana to be voted out and replaced with a welfare state to benefit those who wanted handouts.

This. I have noticed these open border zealots love to invent reasons why the people who went to the Moon, can not do what other nations are already doing.

[undergroundrr]

"In New Zealand:

Really, you site a true socialist ultra-welfare state as a beacon of policy wisdom?

Plus, it's REALLY, REALLY hard for your hated stinky, dumb brown people to get there.

[Athan]

Does it bother anybody here that Stefan Molyneux, who used to be a hard core anarcho-capitalist, is now essentially a nationalist?

Nah, I don't have a problem with him. I'm hispanic, and I personally view it as stemming from cultures too dependent on government creating massive social problems through dependency and cultivating entitlement. You are making mountains out of ant-hills by being concerned with molyneux or whatever his name is.

Let's be honest some people want to simplify a solution in a time of gross inequity, injustice, social upheaval, and growing violence. To be fair, I never really listened to him because his rants go on for a LONG time which eats bandwith. Keep in mind, I've been on /pol/ on the chans for so long that the dude's views are tame compared to where I mingle. Even if it is cultural (hint: I believe it is), libertarians need to ask themselves these questions:

1. "Is it wise to allow cultures that are innate enemies to the ideas liberty in our borders?
Remember, we kicked out the redcoats and their loyalists after the Revolution for a REASON. That reason be risk of treason. Sharia for instance and cultural marxism is dead set on destroying the liberty of Americans.

2. "How long do you think that liberty will last if you don't want to kick out enemies either individuals or organizations that are constantly putting our liberty under siege, and are you willing to let your kids suffer with growing threats to their liberty once you are gone because you refuse to cross some personal ethical line?"

3. "If you don't think removal of these hostile cultures, individuals, and organizations is the answer, is libertarianism going to be as a movement impotent to respond with no other options?"

Libertarians NEED to make an existential decision. We can't keep having liberty hold on by a thread every year simply to appease our morals. Our children aren't going to have the liberty we had at this rate, and their children are going to be no more than slaves. Steven's views are very much on par with what Sam Harris says of the religious right being right about islam. (Paraphrased: "Yes, they may be bigots, but they are still more correct about islam than the regressive left.")

[undergroundrr]

Ugh. I wish the term Cultural Marxism will go away. If it remains in currency, it will obscure the vital attention people need to pay to the unutterable and unforgiveable evil that is actual Marxism. "Cuck" and "Cultural Marxism" are a brand of Newspeak.

And by the way, real Marxism is strongly for vacuum-sealed borders and systematic religious suppression. I wouldn't be shocked if all these alt-righters start idolizing Stalin. True Marxism is a much quicker and more effective way to achieve what they're aiming for.

[helmuth_hubener]

I wouldn't be shocked if all these alt-righters start idolizing Stalin. True Marxism is a much quicker and more effective way to achieve what they're aiming for.

I do not believe that you understand these people at all.

Do not fear understanding. Understanding one's opponent -- no matter how much you hate them -- is a vital prerequisite to intelligent action.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Really, you site a true socialist ultra-welfare state as a beacon of policy wisdom?

Plus, it's REALLY, REALLY hard for your hated stinky, dumb brown people to get there.

New Zealand is consistently ranked in the top five or even top three freest markets on Earth.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Ugh. I wish the term Cultural Marxism will go away. If it remains in currency, it will obscure the vital attention people need to pay to the unutterable and unforgiveable evil that is actual Marxism. "Cuck" and "Cultural Marxism" are a brand of Newspeak.

Why? Cultural Marxism was a real sociological theory that sought to bring about the end of capitalism by undermining families, churches, sexual norms and other social and cultural hierarchies. What "social liberals" want is very often quite in line with the cultural Marxist tradition.

The main theorists behind Cultural Marxism (Frankfurt School and the like) were anti-Soviet, BTW.

[undergroundrr]

I do not believe that you understand these people at all.

Do not fear understanding. Understanding one's opponent -- no matter how much you hate them -- is a vital prerequisite to intelligent action.

Thank you, Yoda. Presumption of hate is presumptive. It's enough to observe their actions and arguments and draw conclusions. But I reserve the right to hate an agenda.

I would argue that, as with neoconservatism, Marxism is at the core of their intent. The alt-right's formulation of the term Cultural Marxism is even more confused and misguided than when Lukacs and Adorno and whomever originally formulated it. In fact, if you ask these people who the Frankfurt School is, they'll be just as blank-faced as if you had asked them their favorite interpretation of Pierrot Lunaire.

At least as it manifests itself on RPF, the alt-right has nothing to do with libertarianism and everything to do with authoritarianism. Its embrace of trump is natural and its embrace of Stalin would be even moreso. Yes, people from /pol/ and similar enclaves are going to undermine the liberty movement anywhere they find it, just like Stormfronters and racist newsletters did their part in sinking Ron Paul's candidacy in 2008 & 2012.

That stuff is still hurting Rand Paul. Despite his faults, Gary Johnson is thriving because he's free of that baggage.

Respect for other cultures, DNA mingling through intermarriage, religious tolerance, blacks protesting police brutality are attacked as PC. This isn't just the alt-right overcompensating for years of rampant political correctness. They're taking the ultimate collectivist fallacy and running for the end zone with it.

[undergroundrr]

The main theorists behind Cultural Marxism (Frankfurt School and the like) were anti-Soviet, BTW.

They were absolutely Marxist to a man.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Thank you, Yoda. Presumption of hate is presumptive. It's enough to observe their actions and arguments and draw conclusions. But I reserve the right to hate an agenda.

I would argue that, as with neoconservatism, Marxism is at the core of their intent. The alt-right's formulation of the term Cultural Marxism is even more confused and misguided than when Lukacs and Adorno and whomever originally formulated it. In fact, if you ask these people who the Frankfurt School is, they'll be just as blank-faced as if you had asked them their favorite interpretation of Pierrot Lunaire.

If you think the alt-right don't know who the Frankfurt School was, you really aren't paying attention at all. If anything, most of them put far too much emphasis on the Frankfurts. Helmuth is right, you don't understand your opponents.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

They were absolutely Marxist to a man.

That doesn't address anything I said. Which "they" are you referring to? I certainly never said anyone wasn't a Marxist.

[undergroundrr]

That doesn't address anything I said. Which "they" are you referring to? I certainly never said anyone wasn't a Marxist.

Yes it does. Why would you care whether a Marxist is pro-Soviet? Is Bernie Sanders saying how pro-Soviet he is? The issues are Marxism/socialism itself, not some implementation or geographical region. Frankfurt School theorists spent a lot of ink trying to explain why the revolution didn't work where capitalism was strong. And they were kind of full of s*** just like the alt-right is.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Yes it does. Why would you care whether a Marxist is pro-Soviet?

...Because I want to understand how people think. Something you seem to have little regard for.

Is Bernie Sanders saying how pro-Soviet he is?

What does that have to do with anything?

The issues are Marxism/socialism itself, not some implementation or geographical region.

That's true to an extent, but the problems of the Soviet Union and the problems with the Frankfurt School are not the same. There's overlap like there is in all Marxist, post-Marxist and leftist philosophies, but you can't argue with these people or engage with their ideas if you don't understand what they advocate or how they differ.

Frankfurt School theorists spent a lot of ink trying to explain why the revolution didn't work where capitalism was strong. And they were kind of full of s*** just like the alt-right is.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

[Athan]

Ugh. I wish the term Cultural Marxism will go away. If it remains in currency, it will obscure the vital attention people need to pay to the unutterable and unforgiveable evil that is actual Marxism. "Cuck" and "Cultural Marxism" are a brand of Newspeak.

And by the way, real Marxism is strongly for vacuum-sealed borders and systematic religious suppression. I wouldn't be shocked if all these alt-righters start idolizing Stalin. True Marxism is a much quicker and more effective way to achieve what they're aiming for.

I'm guessing you haven't heard of the Frankfurt school, you are keeping your eyes and ears deep in the ground.

[helmuth_hubener]

Thank you, Yoda. Presumption of hate is presumptive. It's enough to observe their actions and arguments and draw conclusions. But I reserve the right to hate an agenda.

No problem, Padawan!

New wisdom to ponder: you can tell yourself you "hate the sin but love the sinner," but your brain, glands, and nervous system do not know the difference. It's a fine line, so fine it's biologically invisible. If you loathe and despise someone's actions, you loathe the actor, at least on some level, and to a great degree.

At least as it manifests itself on RPF, the alt-right has nothing to do with libertarianism and everything to do with authoritarianism. Its embrace of trump is natural and its embrace of Stalin would be even more so.

Lukacs.... Adorno..... interpretation of Pierrot Lunaire... come on, you are making this way too complicated. Which is more likely:

Your elaborate theory about everyone on RPF becoming crypto-Stalanist authoritarians -- people who are (you'd say 'were') every bit as libertarian as you, every bit as bona fide, well-read, and passionate about Liberty. Or,

Many libertarians went a direction in electoral politics you don't agree with. They seem to be attracted, in large numbers, to ideas and rhetoric you personally can't relate to. They turned out to be different than you!

What does Occam's Razor tell you?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Really, you site a true socialist ultra-welfare state as a beacon of policy wisdom?

Plus, it's REALLY, REALLY hard for your hated stinky, dumb brown people to get there.

You mean they protect their border and do not needlessly import useless people.

Nah, I don't have a problem with him. I'm hispanic, and I personally view it as stemming from cultures too dependent on government creating massive social problems through dependency and cultivating entitlement. You are making mountains out of ant-hills by being concerned with molyneux or whatever his name is.

Let's be honest some people want to simplify a solution in a time of gross inequity, injustice, social upheaval, and growing violence. To be fair, I never really listened to him because his rants go on for a LONG time which eats bandwith. Keep in mind, I've been on /pol/ on the chans for so long that the dude's views are tame compared to where I mingle. Even if it is cultural (hint: I believe it is), libertarians need to ask themselves these questions:

1. "Is it wise to allow cultures that are innate enemies to the ideas liberty in our borders?
Remember, we kicked out the redcoats and their loyalists after the Revolution for a REASON. That reason be risk of treason. Sharia for instance and cultural marxism is dead set on destroying the liberty of Americans.

2. "How long do you think that liberty will last if you don't want to kick out enemies either individuals or organizations that are constantly putting our liberty under siege, and are you willing to let your kids suffer with growing threats to their liberty once you are gone because you refuse to cross some personal ethical line?"

3. "If you don't think removal of these hostile cultures, individuals, and organizations is the answer, is libertarianism going to be as a movement impotent to respond with no other options?"

Libertarians NEED to make an existential decision. We can't keep having liberty hold on by a thread every year simply to appease our morals. Our children aren't going to have the liberty we had at this rate, and their children are going to be no more than slaves. Steven's views are very much on par with what Sam Harris says of the religious right being right about islam. (Paraphrased: "Yes, they may be bigots, but they are still more correct about islam than the regressive left.")

This. More over I only principals to my in groups, for the out groups? Nothing. Enough of their universalism.

Ugh. I wish the term Cultural Marxism will go away. If it remains in currency, it will obscure the vital attention people need to pay to the unutterable and unforgiveable evil that is actual Marxism. "Cuck" and "Cultural Marxism" are a brand of Newspeak.

And by the way, real Marxism is strongly for vacuum-sealed borders and systematic religious suppression. I wouldn't be shocked if all these alt-righters start idolizing Stalin. True Marxism is a much quicker and more effective way to achieve what they're aiming for.

So you want us to stop using accurate langaunge? Please go on.

And real Marxism is strongly for clean drinking water too....So I guess we should not have it because of that reason?

Hitler drove a car, therefore if you drive a car, you are Hitler.

I do not believe that you understand these people at all.

Do not fear understanding. Understanding one's opponent -- no matter how much you hate them -- is a vital prerequisite to intelligent action.

Of course he does not, he the Libertarian lowbrow version of the NRO/weekly Standard RINOs and their cocktail parties bash the "low class rubs" for "wanting a secure border", "not understanding the value of increasing GDP".

New Zealand is consistently ranked in the top five or even top three freest markets on Earth.

Oh no, FACTS!

Thank you, Yoda. Presumption of hate is presumptive. It's enough to observe their actions and arguments and draw conclusions. But I reserve the right to hate an agenda.

I would argue that, as with neoconservatism, Marxism is at the core of their intent. The alt-right's formulation of the term Cultural Marxism is even more confused and misguided than when Lukacs and Adorno and whomever originally formulated it. In fact, if you ask these people who the Frankfurt School is, they'll be just as blank-faced as if you had asked them their favorite interpretation of Pierrot Lunaire.

You are projecting just because you may not have know what it was does not mean we did not know, we did and do understand cultural marxism and are working to "physical remove" it.

At least as it manifests itself on RPF, the alt-right has nothing to do with libertarianism and everything to do with authoritarianism.

It does, we just understand that open borders, mass immigration, cultural marxism, and "the moral highroad" do not protect Liberty and since they do not we need to stop them.

Its embrace of trump is natural and its embrace of Stalin would be even moreso. Yes, people from /pol/ and similar enclaves are going to undermine the liberty movement anywhere they find it, just like Stormfronters and racist newsletters did their part in sinking Ron Paul's candidacy in 2008 & 2012.

We like the man, where is the harm in this? Why can we not make the same claim about you and Ron Paul.

Sure it was "racist newsletters" and "stormfronters" that did Ron Paul in, it was not the Neo Cons/Establishment that changed the rules as the Convention, it was not the lying press, it was not his "we can win by playing by the rules" mindset?

That stuff is still hurting Rand Paul. Despite his faults, Gary Johnson is thriving because he's free of that baggage.

No, Johnson is sinking himself, his positions and moronic statements do that very well.

Respect for other cultures, DNA mingling through intermarriage, religious tolerance, blacks protesting police brutality are attacked as PC. This isn't just the alt-right overcompensating for years of rampant political correctness. They're taking the ultimate collectivist fallacy and running for the end zone with it.

Why should we respect people who work to take away, reduce, or destroy our nation, culture, rights, wealth, future, etc?

Oh but it is a massive Backlash, and it has not even began yet.

Really? So your universalism is not the ultimate collectivist fallacy?

If you think the alt-right don't know who the Frankfurt School was, you really aren't paying attention at all. If anything, most of them put far too much emphasis on the Frankfurts. Helmuth is right, you don't understand your opponents.

Clearly not, if he understood us he would know if anything we have common enemies.

[undergroundrr]

And real Marxism is strongly for clean drinking water too....So I guess we should not have it because of that reason?

It does, we just understand that open borders, mass immigration, cultural marxism, and "the moral highroad" do not protect Liberty and since they do not we need to stop them.

@timosman posted Stalin's last speech elsewhere on RPF. You should check it out. Stalin talks about peace the way you talk about "liberty." You may find you have a lot in common. Maybe Stalin drove a car too.