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    Molyneux the Nationalist

    Does it bother anybody here that Stefan Molyneux, who used to be a hard core anarcho-capitalist, is now essentially a nationalist?

    After being convinced of the following precepts:
    -Crime is related to genetics
    -IQ is related to genetics
    -Cultural compatibility is necessary for a free society, and also largely genetic

    He's basically totally flipped his mindset into supporting strong borders, strong communities and cultural values, and even a strong religion. He now regularly makes videos on the genetics of crime and the heritability of intelligence, and virulently supports Donald Trump.

    So did he just go insane? Or does he have a point?







    I no longer believe in ethnic egalitarianism
    --Stefan Molyneux
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    Does it bother anybody here that Stefan Molyneux
    It bothers me that supposedly rational people would actually invest the time to listen to this douche...

    But whadda I know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    +rep
    And another.
    "The Patriarch"

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    lol. This is hilarious. I actually couldn't use to stand him. But now, on at least some issues, he seems to have grown a brain. He backs up his assertions, folks. But, then again, he isn't playing to the world government crowd and their useful idiots any longer; so, some that used to love him no longer do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    lol. This is hilarious. I actually couldn't use to stand him. But now, on at least some issues, he seems to have grown a brain. He backs up his assertions, folks. But, then again, he isn't playing to the world government crowd and their useful idiots any longer; so, some that used to love him no longer do.
    I didn't listen to him then and I'm not going to listen to him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I didn't listen to him then and I'm not going to listen to him now.
    Everybody wants to make a video, lol.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Disclaimer I don't speak for Stefan so anything I say is my impression of what he thinks.

    I love Stefan's podcast.

    Big thing to understand is that there is duopoly of views. There is short term practical goals and long term goals to achieve.

    He has great respect for writers on the right. Mainly because they have to work much harder than people on the left.

    So long term he wants people to be raised right eliminating a lot of problems from society and bringing it in line with anarchist ideals.

    Short term which he tends not to care about is voting. He tends to think voting does not work. In this case he thinks this is a 1 in a 1000 opportunity with Trump. He has criticized Trump as well. But since there is so much lefty lies out there about Trump he finds he has a lot of material to write.

    Rloveution has always had a big contingent of lefties and a lot of libertarians easily get sidetracked in lefty politics. So it is no surprise that this forum is spammed by former Clinton supporters and people who argue with emotion.

    He certainly changed his views on the groups he thinks are damaging to his long term goals. He cooled significantly on left atheists and warmed towards family values Christians.

    Honestly I went through the same journey because he is a big influence on my thinking.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    It bothers me that supposedly rational people would actually invest the time to listen to this douche...

    But whadda I know?
    I don't get why people on this forum care about this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilish View Post
    He's basically totally flipped his mindset into supporting strong borders, strong communities and cultural values, and even a strong religion. He now regularly makes videos on the genetics of crime and the heritability of intelligence, and virulently supports Donald Trump.

    So did he just go insane?
    Yes, but long before his turn to Trumpism...

    He's always been a charlatan/nutter, who made libertarians look bad by association.

    So, good riddance, I say; if the alt-right wants him, they can have him.

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    He went from philosopher to sophist, and is clearly putting out click bait. I think he has less of a conscience and scruples than he puts on in his parenting videos. That said, I still look through his new videos from time to time, as he does good work and interviews on some subjects still, like his Whitaker interview on anti-depressants and the scientific evidence that psychiatry has something like 70% of their claims wrapped up in experiments that can't be repeated (which makes them pseudoscience).
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    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

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    He used to back up his points with assertions, but now it's all kneejerk prejudices and confirmation bias.

    For a while, every time he took a provocative stance against a seemingly self-evident libertarian dictum, I used to be interested in what he had to say. But it was always sensationalist and incoherent. His recent attempts to exonerate trump on intent to kill terrorist relatives was particularly ham-fisted. He's simply had a big change of heart over the last several years. I guess it's understandable for anybody who's been swimming against the stream for an extended period.

    I'll still check him out from time to time. Unfortunately, I have a feeling he won't back down from the trump thing. And it's a shame because endorsing trump is a wholesale abandonment of the NAP, which Molyneux used to be quite eloquent in defending.

    He used to be pretty brilliant. Although I haven't listened to it in a while, I think my memory is accurate that this was an amazing piece of oratory -

    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Well, I like both Molyneux and Trump (each for different reasons).

    The spirit and tone of RPF has darkened ever since Rand Paul left the election
    and that was long after the energy level dropped when Ron Paul retired.

    IDK

    Take care as you re-focus...

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    It bothered me at first until I took the time to listen to his arguments and hear some of the experts he has on. I don't agree with him on everything, but I think he provides a good basis for his views and he helps people think about the situation a little more in depth. Society largely sees these issues on a very shallow and superficial level that has been engrained in us for a few decades.

    He still has similar beliefs as he had before, but he used to think we had a lot of time. He thought we could enact change over generations by being peaceful parents.

    Now he sees a crossroads where society is destroying itself at a fast pace and so he went and looked for the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I'm not part of some "world government crowd"....I'm just anti-alt-right crowd. And proud of it.
    There were 2 options.... useful idiots to the globalists was the second one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    He went from philosopher to sophist, and is clearly putting out click bait.
    This.
    He has tapped into the current zeitgeist. He's probably making a decent living doing it, too.

    I listened to a couple of his anti-brown-people rants earlier on, and I found them to be much better informed than any anti-brown-people rants I've read here, and yet entirely dependent on statistics.
    You know what they say... there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    I'm monumentally unsurprised LE is apparently a fan now.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    It seems no one here condemning Stef actually challenged his evidence or assertions, just his conclusions.

    If you have the wrong opinions, you're a pariah. This is the PC mindset. Everyone must have a little censor sitting in their heads.
    It doesn't matter what you think or what the evidence says as long as you come to the conclusion that open borders is good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    is it open border that bothers you? Or the color of the skin of those who come through the border?
    This notion that race is only skin color is the exact assertion that Stefan has rejected. Just as you can't say that the only difference between a Poodle and a German Shepherd is fur color. Stefan has provided evidence that a whole host of factors including height, weight, heart rate, susceptibility to disease, IQ, testosterone levels, levels of criminality....etc. all have large genetic contributions and are not equally distributed between ethnicities.

    This exact same Demographic trend is occurring in Europe. The native population is eroding quickly and ultra-high birth rate immigrant groups are taking over. If it's not reversed, we could lose 30+ unique European ethnicities.

    The average IQ of a Hispanic man is 88. Hispanic's average crime rate is far above that of whites, (although far lower than that of blacks). Hispanics in general prefer a larger government with more services, which is why the Democrats are bringing them in.


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    I have no life, and he makes videos on interesting subjects so I know as well as anyone his "logic".

    Essentially, he believes we are headed for a real "SHTF" type situation in the not to distant future. He looks around and sees how all the minorities are being indoctrinated to "hate" whitey, etc.... Essentially he's concluded $#@! is gonna get real and under a leftist government like Hillary, or Bernie, the radical left that flames this racial dividie and fuels Feminist Extremists will just promote the quickening of the destruction. Trump in his view is likely the last chance to turn the ship around and slow the slide into hell, as the demographic makeup in the US is RAPIDLY shifting to favor Hispanics, and Hispanics are very very very tilted towards the left, and all polls show they are very pro big government and wealth redistribution etc..... So, if Hillary gets elected and serves 8 years, you might as well never run a conservative again, as you'll have a near impossible task of getting elected, especially after a radical like Hillary is done with 8 years of race baiting. Also he likes how Trump isn't fearful of the media, who in concert with the left promote many false narratives with impunity. At least Trump doesn't hate "Whitey", Trump doesn't hate you just because you made a bit of money. Trumps not going to kneel to La Raza, etc.. Also Trump has a history of being anti-war.

    Trump might not be an anarchist or libertarian, but he AINT a Hillary.

    I tend to agree with him, except I don't believe the country is salvageable at all. I think the victim narrative cancer is to entrenched, the demographics have already changed far to much, etc.... We are going to be a socialist $#@!hole in less than 30 years. We lost. But he thinks Trump might system shock the nation out of a coma, I don't have is optimism.

    That's just an extremely partial list. There are more.

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    Someone who relies exclusively on YouTube videos to express his views is afraid of the criticism they would get if put in writing where they are quickly readable and reproducible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Someone who relies exclusively on YouTube videos to express his views is afraid of the criticism they would get if put in writing where they are quickly readable and reproducible.
    What? He has several books. He'll have you on the show most likely if you want to refute his claims.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulIsGreat View Post
    What? He has several books. He'll have you on the show most likely if you want to refute his claims.
    His blog and Facebook don't have articles, only a link to his videos. Someone who respects you doesn't require you to spend a boring hour listen to him cover one topic. He surely doesn't/can't do the same for his viewers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    This.
    He has tapped into the current zeitgeist. He's probably making a decent living doing it, too.

    I listened to a couple of his anti-brown-people rants earlier on, and I found them to be much better informed than any anti-brown-people rants I've read here, and yet entirely dependent on statistics.

    You know what they say... there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    I'm monumentally unsurprised LE is apparently a fan now.
    Are they all stats-based? I've heard 1 or 2, and I seem to recall him getting into other social sciences' approach to the issue. Regardless, if he were more concise and less rambly I'd appreciate what he does more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    He went from philosopher to sophist, and is clearly putting out click bait. I think he has less of a conscience and scruples than he puts on in his parenting videos. That said, I still look through his new videos from time to time, as he does good work and interviews on some subjects still, like his Whitaker interview on anti-depressants and the scientific evidence that psychiatry has something like 70% of their claims wrapped up in experiments that can't be repeated (which makes them pseudoscience).
    Agree 100% with this. He's looking out for his bottom line. Philosophy/politics are now the means to an end. What really makes it a disgrace is it comes after he's already shown for years an understanding of and personal commitment to things like objectivity and Libertarian principles. He knew better.

    Reminds me what is meant by the phrase, "Tu ne cede malis"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray N Rothbard View Post
    Agree 100% with this. He's looking out for his bottom line. Philosophy/politics are now the means to an end. What really makes it a disgrace is it comes after he's already shown for years an understanding of and personal commitment to things like objectivity and Libertarian principles. He knew better.

    Reminds me what is meant by the phrase, "Tu ne cede malis"...
    He's still an anarchist, he is just one of those anarchists who finally decided to dive into the realm of how to save us from disaster in the short term through the statist paradigm since anarchy doesn't appear to be a viable option at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Ain't White Nationalism grand, RPFs?
    I wonder, would you be using the same language if white people were outbreeding the world, spilling into Africa and gradually displacing the native black population? This is what was happening to a certain extent during colonialism, which is now widely condemned as a genocidal racist monstrosity.

    If it's genocide when it happens to one group, why isn't it genocide when it happens to another?


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