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    Do “Blue Lives” Matter?

    by eric • May 30, 2016

    http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/05/3...comment-647648

    Do “blue lives” matter more than other lives?

    According to Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards, they do. He signed a new law last week making attacks on armed government workers – you know, cops – a “hate crime” subject to harsher and additional penalties than would otherwise apply.

    Edwards – a former armed government worker himself – has an interesting view of crime and punishment, as well as of rights. These vary in degree according to such things as the color of the uniform one wears.

    Punch a mere peon (not uniformed) in the face because you hate the guy’s guts and it’s still a crime, but a lesser one. “Hate” enters into it only if the person receiving the punch happens to be a certain category of person, such as a uniformed one.

    One of the state’s armed enforcers.

    The presumption being you didn’t exactly like him, either.

    But now (in John Bel Edwards’ fief) it’s an actionable offense to not like the blue-clad person you struck. Whereas if the reverse were to happen (the armed/costumed government worker threw a punch at you) it is merely a physical assault and not also a “hate” crime. . . .

    We are to assume it’s nothing personal, you see.

    But even if it obviously is – let’s say the armed/costumed government worker is caught on tape cursing his victim, calling him a “dirty skell” or a “maggot” – he can only be prosecuted for the actual punching.

    His hate isn’t actionable.

    Which is… odd.

    Well, not right.

    Rights – such as the right to not be punched in the face – cannot vary according to the person affronted. It’s either right – or it’s not. Regardless of the color of the people involved, or the costumes they happen to be wearing.

    And punishing people differently (or additionally) for committing the same violation of another person’s rights cheapens the currency of one person’s rights, while valuing another’s more dearly undermines the very concept of rights.

    This is a feudal way of doing things. One may not affront the person of the king – or his barons. But the king – and his barons – may do as they like with the serfs.

    That is what Governor (perhaps Shire-Reeve would be the more fitting title) Edwards has just codifed into the law.

    He claims it was done in response to the Black Lives Matter movement, but this doesn’t parse. The BLM movement does not claim that the lives of black people matter more than the lives of other people. Their complaint – a legitimate one – is that the lives of black people should not be valued less than the lives of other people.

    By people wearing blue especially.

    They – blacks – have a legitimate grievance. There is no question, for example, that they are disproportionately hassled and punished by people in blue over trumped-up (because no victim) “offenses” involving arbitrarily illegal “drugs” (not including alcohol, which is a more socially accepted and therefore arbitrarily legal drug).

    But all of us have a beef with this business of putting the state’s enforcers on a pedestal – literally – by making their persons more sacred than ours. Shire-Reeve Edwards makes the usual noises about these enforcers “taking risks to ensure our safety” when they do nothing of the sort.

    Or at least, it is not their primary function.

    They themselves openly tell us that the very most important thing uber alles is their safety. At our expense, if need be – and even if not.

    And the courts have just as openly stated that the primary business of law enforcement is… law enforcement.

    To make us obey.

    The blue-clad do not have a legal obligation to lift a finger – much less put that finger at risk – to “ensure our safety.”

    Yet most people have been successfully conditioned to view law enforcers – heavily armed, heavily protected, with back-up and all the legal privileges that attend their station – as selfless Lone Ranger types, putting our lives ahead of theirs when the need arises. It’s a fairy tale right up there with the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, but most people grow out of those delusions around the age of 12 or 13.

    But even Santa Claus doesn’t expect special treatment under the law.

    Those in blue, do.

    And while it’s no less an affront to their rights (and equally deserving of punishment) when a Mere Ordinary physically assaults one of them, an affront to our rights committed by them ought to be dealt with more severely. Not because they “hate” us.

    They are just as entitled to that as we are entitled to hate them.

    But because when they abuse us, they have abused their authority over us.

    Possessing authority ought to impose a particular obligation to be judicious in the use of that authority. Else that authority is more likely to be abused. A deterrent – in the form of greater responsibility – is essential.

    And yet, the reverse is the rule. Those in blue are held to a more lenient standard than we are. Which is an incentive for them to be less careful about trespassing on our rights.

    Which – not surprisingly – wane as theirs wax.

    Perhaps even more ominous is that “hate” crimes as usually construed – as when applied to skin color or genitalia or the use thereof – extend beyond action (e.g., actually punching someone in the face) to one’s views of others.

    If these are not correct they are criminal.

    “Hate speech,” for instance. That is, speech that the aggrieved group deems “offensive.” In the UK and other European countries, it is a prosecutable offense to offend someone (the offense defined by the persons offended).

    Basically, to hurt their feelings.

    To challenge some orthodoxy.

    We still have the rickety defense of the First Amendment, but it’s going the way of the Fourth, Fifth and other ex-amendments.

    Imagine what it will be like when it becomes criminal to speak ill of an armed government worker – perhaps government workers generally. Or not show sufficient reverence. Perhaps even to look at them “funny.”

    No doubt, Shire-Reeve Edwards can’t wait.
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    They matter so much that the Boys In Blue have the right to stop and frisk you whenever they want. For your safety, of course.
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    Imagine what it will be like when it becomes criminal to speak ill of an armed government worker
    I know a good place for them to start.
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    Those who would wage war on me and mine are my enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Those who would wage war on me and mine are my enemy.
    Reported. Expect a visit from Officer Friendly and his $#@! team any moment nao....
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    Gods Word, the Bible, has plenty to say about hate. The God/man relationship is a voluntary one.

    The state has plenty to say about hate. The state/individual relationship is not a voluntary relationship.

    There is only one logical conclusion for the state's hate ideas to continue to when there is no choice in the matter -you are not allowed to hate (or resist) those who use force against you.

    I've been dreading this crap ever since the first "hate" crime feel-good legislation was shoved down everyone's throats.

    The state is friggin' cult number one -where the hell is my freedom from the religion of state!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Do “Blue Lives” Matter?
    Generally, not very much to me, though there may be some exceptions. For example, I was working at the West Side community garden yesterday - something I do for my friend Carolyn because nobody else will step up... which is odd given that the people at wtsq.org are such big mouths about "community", yet not a single one of them show up to help build raised beds, plant, etc.

    Charleston cop pulls up. I figured he was fixing to give me $#@! about the XD on my hip. Quite to the contrary, he was looking for a man of some description and asked whether we'd seen him. Said he'd been involved in an "altercation" involving knives and the such. We said no and he said it was good that I had "that" (gun) and to keep it close, that man apparently being something of dangerous. I was surprised by this. He is one of those sorts for whom I would come to aid. Others, not so much so.



    Do “blue lives” matter more than other lives?
    Well now, that is a very different question. We all know the answer to it.

    According to Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards, they do. He signed a new law last week making attacks on armed government workers – you know, cops – a “hate crime” subject to harsher and additional penalties than would otherwise apply.
    How charming. How quaint.

    This is a feudal way of doing things. One may not affront the person of the king – or his barons. But the king – and his barons – may do as they like with the serfs.
    Eric has some gift for understatement, at times.

    That is what Governor (perhaps Shire-Reeve would be the more fitting title) Edwards has just codifed into the law.
    But will that law stand? How many lives will have been destroyed before it is struck down, if ever it is?

    He claims it was done in response to the Black Lives Matter movement, but this doesn’t parse. The BLM movement does not claim that the lives of black people matter more than the lives of other people. Their complaint – a legitimate one – is that the lives of black people should not be valued less than the lives of other people.
    Oh hell... Has Eric not been paying attention? BLM sure as blazing hell DOES say black lives matter more.

    By people wearing blue especially.

    They – blacks – have a legitimate grievance. There is no question, for example, that they are disproportionately hassled and punished by people in blue over trumped-up (because no victim) “offenses” involving arbitrarily illegal “drugs” (not including alcohol, which is a more socially accepted and therefore arbitrarily legal drug).
    I am almost tempted to say that this is the karmic bounce-factor for all the other $#@! they do. ALMOST.

    Nonetheless, the nation is screwed in a very bad way, black, white, blue, what have you. We are mostly all in the same boat. I wish people would see the real nature of the problems at hand, but they either cannot or they refuse.

    But all of us have a beef with this business of putting the state’s enforcers on a pedestal – literally – by making their persons more sacred than ours. Shire-Reeve Edwards makes the usual noises about these enforcers “taking risks to ensure our safety” when they do nothing of the sort.

    Or at least, it is not their primary function.

    They themselves openly tell us that the very most important thing uber alles is their safety. At our expense, if need be – and even if not.

    And the courts have just as openly stated that the primary business of law enforcement is… law enforcement.

    To make us obey.
    And there is some of the sad sad truth... the dirty low-down. I always wanted to write that.

    Imagine what it will be like when it becomes criminal to speak ill of an armed government worker – perhaps government workers generally. Or not show sufficient reverence. Perhaps even to look at them “funny.”

    No doubt, Shire-Reeve Edwards can’t wait.
    Who needs to imagine it when we can see it made manifest in many places?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Reported. Expect a visit from Officer Friendly and his $#@! team any moment nao....
    If those $#@!s are shaved, could you please send them over to my house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Charleston cop pulls up. I figured he was fixing to give me $#@! about the XD on my hip. Quite to the contrary, he was looking for a man of some description and asked whether we'd seen him. Said he'd been involved in an "altercation" involving knives and the such. We said no and he said it was good that I had "that" (gun) and to keep it close, that man apparently being something of dangerous. I was surprised by this. He is one of those sorts for whom I would come to aid. Others, not so much so.
    I have had similar "good" experiences with cops from time to time myself.

    But, as I'm sure you are well aware, such an encounter does not fundamentally change who or what they are.

    The fact that he could have "felt his safety was at risk" and would have been legally exonerated had he blown you away without question is enough for me not to want them around me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I have had similar "good" experiences with cops from time to time myself.

    But, as I'm sure you are well aware, such an encounter does not fundamentally change who or what they are.

    The fact that he could have "felt his safety was at risk" and would have been legally exonerated had he blown you away without question is enough for me not to want them around me at all.
    ^^^ This. When all it comes down to is whether they are having a good work day or a bad work day then fug 'em. My life or death shouldn't hinge on that.

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    Do goon lives matter??
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    You could ask the people in Fremont CA that question, the answer is YES. Two cops got shot yesterday and the shooter fled on foot -- from what little I've read about it it sounds like the whole city was locked down for a while, while they searched house-to-house.

    He fled into a house so they did the "deploy the burners" thing -- now that family has no house, and their dog went up in flames too (if the shooter hadn't already killed it).

    They certainly wouldn't have done all that over two mundanes who had been shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanTX View Post
    You could ask the people in Fremont CA that question, the answer is YES. Two cops got shot yesterday and the shooter fled on foot -- from what little I've read about it it sounds like the whole city was locked down for a while, while they searched house-to-house.

    He fled into a house so they did the "deploy the burners" thing -- now that family has no house, and their dog went up in flames too (if the shooter hadn't already killed it).

    They certainly wouldn't have done all that over two mundanes who had been shot.


    Target was eliminated. Justified. Collateral Damage. It's a war out there you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanTX View Post
    You could ask the people in Fremont CA that question, the answer is YES. Two cops got shot yesterday and the shooter fled on foot -- from what little I've read about it it sounds like the whole city was locked down for a while, while they searched house-to-house.

    He fled into a house so they did the "deploy the burners" thing -- now that family has no house, and their dog went up in flames too (if the shooter hadn't already killed it).

    They certainly wouldn't have done all that over two mundanes who had been shot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    Target was eliminated. Justified. Collateral Damage. It's a war out there you know.
    Sounds dangerous. I hope the Officers are OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Sounds dangerous. I hope the Officers are OK?
    Only the two dead ones... (da-dum...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Only the two dead ones... (da-dum...)
    RIP. May many highways be shut down in their honor.





    Prayers to the families of these savagely, brutally killed brave Officers.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 06-03-2016 at 03:45 PM.
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    ^^^^^^ Each one of those pieces of $#@! is costing taxpayers for this publicity stunt. ^^^^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    RIP. May many highways be shut down in their honor.
    And by "shut down" you surely mean "renamed." With a thankful citizen payed for memorial sign stating such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Only the two dead ones... (da-dum...)
    Looks like one survived. The other is in critical condition, but I'm sure with all of our prayers here on this forum, this brave Officer will make it through.
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    19 posts and this hasn't made the thread;


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    Dupe
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    ^^^^^^ Each one of those pieces of $#@! is costing taxpayers for this publicity stunt. ^^^^^^^
    If a life is measured by the size of their funeral procession, then yes, blue lives do matter more.
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    Dupe
    Last edited by jkr; 06-03-2016 at 04:34 PM.
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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  27. #24
    not to this a-hole


    p.s. you dont see a lot of BLUE these days...
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If a life is measured by the size of their funeral procession, then yes, blue lives do matter more.
    I could get a bigger parade for Kim Jong-un if I provided free vehicles, a spiffy uniform and between $250.00 and $750.00 + free medical and firearms to attend...

    This BS is nothing more than copsuckery pageantry on your dime...


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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I could get a bigger parade for Kim Jong-un if I provided free vehicles, a spiffy uniform and between $250.00 and $750.00 + free medical and firearms to attend...

    This BS is nothing more than copsuckery pageantry on your dime...

    I don't think they need your help



    But certainly we could learn a thing or two. Like the car carrying the huge portrait, is a nice touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I don't think they need your help


    But certainly we could learn a thing or two. Like the car carrying the huge portrait, is a nice touch.
    I was talking about a parade in THIS COUNTRY...........

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    Well FWIW, I think they're kinda strangely funny.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Man_Group

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I don't think they need your help



    But certainly we could learn a thing or two. Like the car carrying the huge portrait, is a nice touch.
    Imagine how stirring and respectful it would be if they had a giant moving billboard of the Brave Officer's face during the procession.

    And mandatory weeping of the mundanes, got to have that as well.




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    LOL @ North Korean in the upper left hand corner. Is he still alive? Seems like he's onto the straight dope.

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