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    Bernie Sanders’ Sick Utopia: The Malicious Myth of “Democratic” Socialism


    Bernie Sanders’ Sick Utopia: The Malicious Myth of “Democratic” Socialism

    By Thomas DiLorenzo

    May 30, 2016

    In my forthcoming (July 18) book, The Problem with Socialism, I describe how socialism is always and everywhere an economic poison regardless of the form of government. Socialism is socialism. As Frederic Bastiat explained in his classic, The Law, the imposition of one social “plan” or set of “plans” on all of the society – a defining characteristic of all varieties of socialism — will have the same effects whether it is instituted by democracy or by a dictatorship. Obamacare is Obamacare regardless of whether it was imposed by democracy or by a dictator.

    All of history has proven that the effects of socialism are always and everywhere mass impoverishment; the destruction of civil liberties; tyrannical government; a population dependent on the state for survival; and the enrichment of the ruling class. Everyone is equally impoverished while the political elite live high on the hog, whether it is the Soviet Union, African socialism, Latin American socialism, or any other kind of socialism.

    At best, socialism turns people into spoiled children constantly demanding more and more freebies at the expense of . . . . who knows? At worst, it becomes a totalitarian nightmare where dissenters are mass murdered by the millions, as was the case with twentieth-century socialism all over the world.

    The latest display of the effects of the malicious myth of “democratic” socialism is the economic implosion of oil-rich Venezuela. When the proud socialist Hugo Chavez became president he nationalized industries; redistributed land and businesses to political cronies; imposed pervasive, government-imposed price controls; and made himself popular by giving away lots of free stuff – even houses. He was a Latin American Bernie Sanders, in other words. The entire socialist world spoke of the new “socialist paradise” of Venezuela.

    But socialism is always and everywhere economic poison because of several fundamental reasons. It destroys work incentives for one thing. It is also guided by the false pretense that a few politicians can somehow do a better job of possessing and utilizing the detailed knowledge that millions of consumers, entrepreneurs, workers, business managers, investors, and market participants who make real market economies work possess. And it foolishly asserts that rational economic decisions can be made without the benefit of private property, market prices based on supply and demand, and a market feedback mechanism that rewards those who serve their customers well with profits while punishing those who do not with losses. By ignoring these realities the economic implosion of Venezuela was perfectly predictable and inevitable.


    Venezuela has become reminiscent of the old Soviet Union where there were shortages of everything because of the economic chaos caused by the elimination of markets based on private property and prices determined by supply and demand. A May 21 article in The Telegraph by Szu Ping Chan about how socialism turned Venezuela into “debt and hyperinflation hell” describes how people there now routinely “queue alongside hundreds of other Venezuelans for food, nappies, milk, and other basic goods.” Everything is in short supply – or no supply – thanks to Chavez’s socialist price controls. Black markets are the only thing saving the Venezuelan economy.


    A recent “yahoo” news article entitled “Venezuela: Where a Hamburger is official $170” wrote of how stores are shuttered; restaurants are empty; “nobody is buying anything”; there are long lines of people waiting around stores for something – anything – that they can use to barter for things they actually need. This again is exactly reminiscent of daily life in the old Soviet Union.

    Venezuela has become one of the worst places in the world to do business, ranking 186th out of 189 in a World Bank index of “business friendliness.” Only Libya, South Sudan, and Eritrea were worse. Political corruption is rampant; of course. No one can be in business without paying the “appropriate” bribes to one or another political hacks and criminals.

    People in Venezuela “cannot afford to get ill because when you turn up at the hospital there is nothing,” says one Venezuelan cited by The Telegraph. Sick people are desperate for antibiotics, which are all but non-existent.

    Explosive government spending combined with declining oil prices made Venezuela a “debt hell” as Chavez and his successor, fellow socialist demagogue Nicolas Maduro, refused to admit the folly of their ways and resorted to massive money printing. Today a hamburger costs the equivalent of $170; a night in a hotel is $6,900; and middle-class monthly salaries savaged by inflation are worth about $35. Food prices more than tripled just in the past month; and the annual inflation rate is 4,505 percent. One Venezuelan interviewed for the Telegraph article said that he had to spend more than half his monthly income just on toilet tissue.

    Socialism has resulted in the Zimbabwe-ization of Venezuela.


    The Venezuelan government fails to perform what all governments claim to be their primary responsibility: maintaining law and order in society. Caracas is now the world’s most violent city in the world according to the Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice, which computes such rankings.

    The drinking water in Flint, Michigan is like fresh, Rocky Mountain spring water compared to the drinking water in Venezuela, described by a May 29 New York Times article about the country’s “hunger, blackouts, and government shutdown” as “a brownish color” that makes people sick, with many Venezuelans contracting “skin irritations from showering . . .” One woman is quoted as saying that because she has been showering with this government water “her body is filled with small bubbles and they sting horribly.”

    Like all other socialist demagogues, Venezuela’s wealthy, living-lives-of-luxury, socialist political elite blame all the disasters they have created on various bogeymen, from “the American government’s efforts to destabilize the country” (according to the New York Times), to “a drought that has crippled Venezuela’s ability to generate hydroelectric power.” This last reason is reminiscent of how the Soviets blamed the results of their disastrous policy of socialized agriculture on seventy straight years of “drought.”

    Just about anyone who is able to leave Venezuela is doing so. So far, it’s a much easier task than leaving that other Caribbean socialist “paradise,” Cuba.

    Venezuela has joined a very long list of countries whose economies have been utterly destroyed by just a few years of socialism. Meanwhile, in the U.S. hordes of “millennials,” the first PC generation, a generation that has been indoctrinated since kindergarten in the alleged evils of capitalism and taught to worship Big Government as their savior, are wildly cheering a 74-year-old communist who wants to be president on the promise of making America the next Venezuela. (Like the Soviet communists who called their government the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, not the Union of Soviet Communist Republics, I don’t distinguish between “communists” and “socialists”; they’re all the same gang of looters, frauds, demagogues, and tyrants).

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    Something seems off with this argument. It reminds me of when people point to a failing state like Somalia and say that is where Libertarians want to lead the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Something seems off with this argument. It reminds me of when people point to a failing state like Somalia and say that is where Libertarians want to lead the country.
    Do you know of a lot of long time historically successful "Democratic" socialist states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Do you know of a lot of long time historically successful "Democratic" socialist states?
    Sanders seems to really like the "Nordic Model" around Scandinavia or respect the Health Care system in Canada. These seem like stable countries. I'm not sure of the terminology like Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy or whatever, but he seems to like holding up Sweden and Denmark as examples of what he wants to achieve.

    Is Venezuala really Democratic Socialist, or have they gone full Communist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Something seems off with this argument. It reminds me of when people point to a failing state like Somalia and say that is where Libertarians want to lead the country.
    Yup, its like the sanctions and the US and Saudi use of oil price manipulation to destroy Venezuela and Russia never happened. I mean these countries have been running the same system for at least a decade now and all of a sudden we are to believe that it just stopped working in a major way. Don't get me wrong, socialism is an awful economic system but despite what the average Trump supporting libertarian thinks of Venezuelan socialism, it is mainly financed by oil money and not taxes, they don't have high taxes like some capitalist countries. I still don't know how a country should divide up their natural resources, I think I prefer the Alaska model where everyone in the state gets a cheque every month from the oil revenue.

    I am not quite sure what happened to Venezuela but I have a sick feeling it is not just socialism as this Trump supporter wants you to believe.

    Note: TL; DR

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Sanders seems to really like the "Nordic Model" around Scandinavia or respect the Health Care system in Canada. These seem like stable countries. I'm not sure of the terminology like Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy or whatever, but he seems to like holding up Sweden and Denmark as examples of what he wants to achieve.

    Is Venezuala really Democratic Socialist, or have they gone full Communist?
    Whenever you add policy to a state you have to consider the cost. Nothing is free, when taxes goes up investment goes down and innovation and revenue goes down with it. With that in mind there is also the cost of freedom defense that is the we have a big military to defend our freedoms. We are able to buy our freedom with our defense. If we spend more money on policy its going to come from somewhere, its going to come from capital investment and revenue or defense of freedom.

    That being said you have to look into a prism of what these programs are going to do in the long term. Sanders hasn't really produced much policy that I have seen as far as how he is going to pay for all of it. Look at the expensive plane program he supported, that has wasted at trillion dollars. The destruction of wealth comes when the middle class is gone, and the middle class is disappearing beacuse we spend way too much money. Sanders is going to Venezuela the hell out of our country. Especially if he runs against Trump, since he is so much more favorable to racist populism .

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    This article was written by someone who publishes pro-Trump propaganda on a weekly basis.

    #NeverTrump #NeverHillary

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    Every Sanders supporter I have ever talked to hasn't told me how spending more money on things like college is better when college is already hyper funded. I always just ask them why do we need to make the government pay for college because they are ripping people off, they are just going to rip off the government. This is like when we bailed out the banks when they were ripping us off. I am tired of this $#@!. Every one of them knows that congress wont fund the $#@!ing programs, they are just handing the election to the establishment because they want what they can't have.



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    How Sanders is a contingency plan designed to keep progressives in the democrat party

    But when Sanders argues for the continuation of his campaign, he cites the importance of defeating Trump, not Clinton. Sanders has consistently focused on the fact that he has high favorable ratings and polls well against the presumptive Republican nominee. He has not done to Clinton what Mitt Romney did to Donald Trump: given a focused anti-Clinton speech that will be the basis for demoralizing ad campaigns in October.
    All Sanders has to do is transition from saying that he is the best candidate to beat Trump to saying Clinton bested him for the nomination fair and square and now she is best positioned to defeat the Republican billionaire. That's an easy transition to make. And Bernie will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Sanders seems to really like the "Nordic Model" around Scandinavia or respect the Health Care system in Canada. These seem like stable countries. I'm not sure of the terminology like Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy or whatever, but he seems to like holding up Sweden and Denmark as examples of what he wants to achieve.

    Is Venezuala really Democratic Socialist, or have they gone full Communist?
    https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=010115...den&gsc.page=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    This article was written by someone who publishes pro-Trump propaganda on a weekly basis.

    #NeverTrump #NeverHillary
    Does that then, by definition, make "Democratic" socialism a desirable way to go, for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Does that then, by definition, make "Democratic" socialism a desirable way to go, for you?
    No, and there's no reason to assume that's my position based on what I said.

    As usual, your comment is nonsensical.


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    Sanders is a democratic socialist. Democratic socialism is a form of communism. The Nordic countries are social democrats, which is capitalism (crony) with a large welfare state and lots of protections for labor unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Sanders seems to really like the "Nordic Model" around Scandinavia or respect the Health Care system in Canada. These seem like stable countries. I'm not sure of the terminology like Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy or whatever, but he seems to like holding up Sweden and Denmark as examples of what he wants to achieve.
    The Scandinavian countries may have high taxes and lots of regulations but if you live there, it's generally a very nice place. In my experience, even though there are many rules and regulations, they may be more reasonable regulations and not everything is a f-ing felony. So I think it wholly depends how you measure Liberty..
    "I am a bird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No, and there's no reason to assume that's my position based on what I said.

    As usual, your comment is nonsensical.

    My reason to wonder is, does Tom's maybe support for Trump disqualify him from having any other valid opinions, for you? Look like it fits right in, to me.

    See, is that really all that tough? Do I really need to dumb them down some more?

    As usual, you have now once again chosen to erroneously confuse a very reasonable question with a comment.

    On purpose?

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    Sweden's socialist healthcare and welfare wont last much longer. Open borders and free $#@! will overload their system.

    It will be like california.. being tens of billions in debt.



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    Feel the Bern/Pope Francis Utopia Update

    Thomas DiLorenzo

    Democratic socialist utopia Venezuela, according to the Los Angeles Times, has the following characteristics (for starters):


    • Shuttered shops
    • “Lines, lines, lines . . . queuing up for basics, from pasta to toilet paper.”
    • “One of the planet’s great oil producers is now unable to pay for basic commodities, like the milk, flour and rice, which are mostly imported . . .”
    • “The poor and working classes . . . are suffering most.” (Emphasis added). Pope Francis: Call your office!.
    • “Authorities limit purchase of basic items — nearly 4.5 pounds of pasta and rice per customer for instance . . .”
    • “People are assigned certain days to shop based on the numbers on their government-issued IDs.”
    • “Rampant corruption . . .”
    • “Venezuelans regularly structure their day around la cola, the line.”
    • “[H]ardly any food, beyond crates of tinned sardines and canned tomatoes, plus some bins of moldy potatoes and onions” are in many stores.
    • “[F]resh meat and seafood sections [of grocery stores] are shuttered.”
    • “Images of [Hugo] Chavez . . . adorn [grocery] stores’ walls . . .”
    • “To buy . . . diapers [one Maigualida Perez] had to produce her son’s birth certificate, a government anti-hording requirement enforced at stores.”
    • “I can’t find diapers, milk or sugar” in the stores, said one Andreina Escalante.
    • Not surprisingly: “The shortages have eroded support for the socialist government . . .” (Emphasis added).


    A little too late for that, one would think. Still no word in this from the pope, whose smile was as wide as the Grand Canyon when he had his picture taken with Fidel Castro a while back. If he does mention it, he’ll probably blame it all on too many “pockets of capitalism” in Venezuela.


    7:34 pm on June 1, 2016

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