That is the one and only thing that will ever get us to anything resembling liberty. Until the fedgov is either dissolved or put in what by today's standards would be considered house arrest we aint going nowhere.Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom
"The Patriarch"
LMAO, whom do you imagine wants to federally ban 'dirty words?'
Do you think Originalist wants to ban dirty words?lol really?
Out of all the things to worry about, your ability to be profane seems a little insignificant. Is that really what turns the tide in your mind?
"The Patriarch"
Well $#@! me running....LMAO, whom do you imagine wants to federally ban 'dirty words?'
Do you think Originalist wants to ban dirty words?
"The Patriarch"
LOL there you go with PARTIES again. who among us do you really think GAF about parties? I liked Ron Paul when he ran as a Republican, despite the GOP's shortcomings. I liked Chuck Baldwin when he ras as a Constitution Party despite the CP's shortcomings.
If you are looking for folks who put parties before people, then you may actually be on the wrong message board...
No, that is totally meaningless.
What matters (I reiterate) is that the LP has balllot access in every state and the CP does not.
If it were the other way round, I'd happily vote CP.
You seem obsessed with parties, too.
I'm quite convinced that you have a mental disorder.
So...yes.
Don't buy it, no way CP is proposing using the feds to impose obscenity laws to the states. Have any links backing up this damning accusation?
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Pornography, obscenity and sexually oriented businesses are a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony. This results in emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities.
Due to a lack of prosecution, the sexually oriented business industry has proliferated, aggravating the problems of child pornography, human trafficking and sexually transmitted diseases. This is decreasing our safety by increasing crime rates, specifically rape and molestation in additional to the loss of dignity belonging to all human beings.
We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing all laws against obscenity.
We call on all levels of government to protect and promote that which is truly free speech while vigorously defending and enforcing laws that protect us from the proliferation of the pornography and sexually oriented business industries because they are proven to be toxic to community standards, lower property values and increase crime.
While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that government plays a vital role in protecting all citizens, particularly our most vulnerable, women and children, from exploitation.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/pornography-obscenity-and-sexually-oriented-businesses/
Goddamn, these people want to create a bigger prison population than the drug warriors. And check out the double speak of upholding the 1st amendment by creating laws against speech. These people are scary. Thanks for the info cos I wouldn't have believed it without seeing it for myself.
So I have a 'mental disorder' because I believe that the #1 issue facing America today is the federal and state balance of power, and because I choose candidates based on their individual person rather than their party affiliation.
I noticed that too! No way I'm voting for that nutter party.
Yea
You do not seem to understand the point of communication.Yea
So the folks who advocate voting for gun grabbers and CFR members are freaking out about obscenity laws that cannot and will not be enforced. Who cares if the fedgov continues to grow and global governance get's one step closer. Ya, those of us who want the federal government neutered are nuts.
"The Patriarch"
They should call themselves the Contradiction Party.
LIBERTY
Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual. (RELIGIOUS FREEDOM/PERSONAL LIBERTY)
FAMILY
One husband and one wife with their children, as divinely instituted.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/our...en-principles/
Life for all human beings:
from conception to natural death.
SANCTITY OF LIFE
Freedom of conscience and actions
for the self-governed individual.
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
PERSONAL LIBERTY
One husband and one wife with their children,
as divinely instituted.
FAMILY
Each individual’s right to own and steward
personal property without government burden.
PERSONAL AND PRIVATE PROPERTY SECURITY
The Founding Documents interpreted according
to the Actual Intent of the Founding Fathers.
CONSTITUTION PARTY PLATFORM
Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution
to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution
to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people.
STATE SOVEREIGNTY
American government committed to the protection
of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans,
with no entanglement in foreign alliances.
FOREIGN POLICY
"The Patriarch"
Platform;
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We, the members of the American Constitution Party, gratefully acknowledge the blessings of the Lord God as theCreator, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe and of our nation. We hereby appeal to Him for aid, comfort, guidance, and the protection of His Divine Providence as we work to restore and preserve this nation as a government of, by, and for the people.
Our republic is a nation governed by a constitution rooted in Biblical law and administered by representatives elected by the people to preserve, protect, and defend it against attacks by all its enemies, whether from without or within. We affirm the principles of inherent, un-a-lien-able, individual rights upon which these united States of America were founded.
The sole legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all.
Abortion
The pre-born child, whose life begins at conception, is from that moment fully a human being created in God’s image. The first duty of the law is to prevent the taking of innocent human life. It is, therefore, the duty of all civil governments to secure and safeguard the lives of the pre-born.
AIDS
Under no circumstances should government continue to subsidize activities that have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. In the name of “safe sex”, millions of tax dollars have been misdirected to organizations that contribute to the spread of AIDS by endorsing (implicitly or explicitly) perverse, immoral, and unhealthy sexual conduct.
Congressional Reform
Most members of Congress have become more accountable and responsive to the Beltway Establishment than to the people in their home districts. We seek to abolish federal pay and pensions for members of Congress, and restore provisions for per diem allowances.
Constitutional Convention
We oppose any attempt to call a constitutional convention for any purpose whatsoever, because it cannot be limited to any single issue, and such a convention has the potential to seriously erode the constitutional protections of our unalienable rights.
Cost of Big Government
The only legitimate purpose of civil government is to safeguard the God-given rights of its citizens, namely: life, liberty, and property. Only those duties, functions, and� programs explicitly assigned to the federal government by the Constitution should be funded. The American Constitution Party calls on Congress and the executive branch to disapprove and halt all federal expenditures that are not specifically authorized by the Constitution of the united States.
Defense
It is a primary obligation of the federal government to provide for the common defense, to be vigilant in dealing with significant potential threats and prospective capabilities (e.g., border security), as well as with perceived present intentions. We oppose unilateral disarmament and dismemberment of America’s defense infrastructure. The world is still a very dangerous place.
Drug Abuse
The American Constitution Party upholds the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs. The only legitimate role of the federal government in drug control is interdiction of drug smuggling at the borders. Care must be taken to protect the rights of un-convicted and innocent suspects. Pre-conviction confiscation of private property must end.
Education
The law of the Creator, as referenced in the Declaration of Independence, assigns to parents the authority and duty of educating their children. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans. We hold that no federal agency, department, board, or other entity should be allowed to exercise jurisdiction over any aspect of children’s rearing.
Energy
We call attention to the continuing need for a sufficient supply of energy to sustain the nation’s standard of living and its agricultural, business, and industrial activities. Private property rights must be respected, and government should not interfere with the development of potential energy sources, including ANWR oil, natural gas, hydroelectric power, solar and nuclear energy, wind-driven generators, or hydrogen and fuel cell technology.
Environment
It is a primary responsibility of mankind to be prudently productive and efficient stewards of God’s natural resources. In that role, man is commanded to be fruitful, to multiply, to replenish the earth and develop it; to turn deserts into farms and wastelands into groves. This requires a proper and continuing dynamic balance between development and conservation, between use and preservation. The proper exercise of stewardship demands that we avoid the extremes; that we escape the deadly hand of government confiscations; that we recognize and preserve the right of the individual to acquire, own, and use his property in a manner that does not infringe upon the rights of others to do likewise.
Euthanasia
The American Constitution Party is on record as recognizing and putting first the sanctity of human life. Just as we oppose abortion (the taking of an innocent, pre-born life), so we adamantly oppose assisted suicide.
Family
We affirm that the law of the Creator establishes and defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman, and that same law establishes and defines a family. We further hold that no government has the authority to establish marriage or family relations in any manner contrary to that law.
Foreign Aid
The Congress and the President have a Constitutional duty to provide for the defense of this country, but the American people have no duty to provide for the defense of any foreign nation.
Furthermore, the U.S. Government has no Constitutional authority to tax the American people to provide aid of any kind to foreign governments.
Therefore, we will support every effort to terminate all foreign aid programs, whether military or non-military, whether to a foreign state or to an international organization, including the United Nations, IMF, World Bank, and every other similar institution.
Foreign Policy
The only constitutional basis and purpose of foreign policy is to serve the interests of this nation. We should not be the world’s police-man. We pledge our only allegiance to the American Republic. We shout a resounding “NO!” to any one-world government or so-called New World Order. Not one whit of American autonomy may be surrendered to any international organization or cartel of nations. We oppose entangling foreign alliances. The united States should withdraw from the UN and NATO and bring home our overseas forces. We should review all existing treaties to determine which go beyond constitutional limits. Those that do should be rescinded.
Gun Control
The right to bear arms is inherent in the right of self-defense, defense of family and property, and defense against tyranny. It is part of the Creator’s endowment to ensure the security of the life, liberty, and property of the individual and his family, as well as to pre-serve the independence of the nation. The only acceptable gun control is one’s ability to hit the target with the first shot, every time! The only government that fears the guns of its citizens is a tyranny.
Government Health Care
The American Constitution Party opposes the takeover of the American medical system by government bureaucracies. Government subsidy leads inevitably to government regulation and rationing of services and constitutes a present danger to the quality and availability of patient-centered care and treatment. Hospitals, doctors, and other health-care providers should be accountable to their patients not to politicians.
Immigration
We affirm the integrity of the borders of the united States and the right and constitutional authority and obligation of the federal government, under the law of nations, to guard and protect those borders, including the regulation of the number and qualifications of immigrants.
Individual Rights
Human dignity is a basic right recognized in the Constitution by our founders. Each and every citizen shall be free to choose his friends and associates; to offer, seek, or refuse employment; to rent or sell property without interference from the state; and to expect honorable laws and justice from government.
Money and Banking
The American Constitution Party calls for a return to the monetary and banking provisions set forth in the Constitution. We seek to restore the nation’s medium of exchange the type of money the world has historically favored commodity money: money capable of being coined or tendered as coin. We will re-establish the quality of money which the inter-national markets recognize as preeminent exclusively silver and gold as the standard for the money of the united States.
Security of Persons and Property
We affirm the Fourth Amendment right of the People to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, including general, unwarranted electronic surveillance, national computer data banks, and ID cards or chips.
Privatization
The American Constitution Party calls for all levels of government to sell off to private parties those operations which are not authorized by their respective constitutions and/or which compete with private, free-enterprise business on a tax-advantaged basis.
Religious Freedom
We call upon all three branches of the federal government to cease attacks on the religious liberties of the people and to stop all attempts to interfere with the encouragement of religious and moral principles among their peoples by state and local governments. We assert that any form of taxation or coercion (including incorporation and 501(c)(3) status) of churches and other religious organizations is a direct and dangerous step toward state control of the activities of the church. Such intrusion is prohibited by the Constitution and must be halted.
Social Security
We support legislation to require the federal government to protect Social Security funds as an insurance trust to be used only to fulfill its obligations to those who have paid their premiums. The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to require individuals to participate in the Social Security system. Indeed, the implementing act clearly establishes voluntary participation.
Taxes, Tariffs, and Trade
We oppose the unconstitutional transfer of Congress’ authority over trade, copyright, and patent policy to any agency, whether domestic, foreign, or international. The same is true for any “fast-track” trading authority Congress may attempt to bestow on the executive branch.
We will propose legislation to abolish the IRS and will veto any authorization which contains funding of any kind for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. Moreover, it is our intention to replace entirely the current tax system of the U.S. Government (including income, FICA, estate & inheritance, corporate, and fuel taxes) with a new approach based on the original design of our founding fathers.
First, cut federal spending that is outside Constitutional limits.
Second, impose reason-able revenue tariffs (not protective) on all imported products and limited excise taxes on non-essential goods while eliminating all direct federal taxes.
Third, bill any revenue short-falls to the states’ legislatures in proportion to their congressional representation, thereby rein-stating the Doctrine of Interposition and creating legislative pressures on states’ congressional delegations to control federal spending.
Welfare
Charity and provision of welfare to those in need is not a responsibility of the federal government. The message of Christian charity is at fundamental odds with the concept of welfare rights. In many cases, government welfare is not only misdirected, but also morally destructive of motivation, resulting in dependency on the state and the creation of a permanent slave class. When net tax recipients discover that they can vote to profit themselves the largess of the public treasury, the process will not stop until the last bone of the last taxpayer is picked bare. We encourage individuals and families to fulfill their personal responsibility to help those in need by tithes, offerings, and other charitable contributions.
"The Patriarch"
So nothing like what they claim is actually in the platform, just a random article on their website written by an anonymous admin?
If you want any hope of a libertarian revolution in this country, we need to get people from the left on board. Gary Johnson has the hooks to get them into libertarianism. At first they will be into it for the legal weed, social liberalism and reigning in our foreign policy. Gary Johnson is strong on all of those. Eventually many will start turning on the economic issues, which Johnson is also pretty strong on, and over time the hope is they will get into the Constitution and understand gun rights and such. It's a process.
I'm not a fan of this Weld guy at all, but Gary Johnson is a good way to get a larger segment of our society thinking about liberty. He's also the best chance of taking votes from Hillary Clinton, hopefully convincing Sanders supporters to jump on board. Everybody should be pretty happy with Gary Johnson as the libertarian candidate whether you like Trump, the Constitution or whatever your flavor of liberty happens to be, I think he is the best thing to happen to this election cycle so far.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Whoa, that's enough to make me never vote for them. I don't want to be governed by people who think the laws are based on a book of fairy tales.
Whoa, what did you think the founding fathers were? A bunch of atheists?
"The Patriarch"
Was the Constitution based on biblical law?
I know Mormons believe the Constitution was divinely inspired and that God wants men to have freedom, but I think ferrari is referring to people who want the state to uphold the laws set forth in the Bible.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
At this point, I don't even care anymore. VP's are basically useless anyway. Biden is a perfect example.
Johnson represents the best opportunity for a smaller government. Not in a lessor of three evils way, more so in a guns & weed kinda way.
Is that what you think Christians are?
You sound like an Ayn Randian.
I believe Liberty Eagle mentioned this earlier in the thread...
http://www.amazon.com/Shadows-Power-.../dp/0882791346
You can get a used copy on Amazon for about $8.
Last edited by anaconda; 05-31-2016 at 03:23 PM.
wut
VP choice is usually seen as something that can only hurt you. GJ was wrong to expect any gain from it in the first place. I think Weld just hurts him.
Gun control is the biggest problem with Weld imo. I doubt he could ever veto a gun control bill in the wake of a mass shooting.
"Mr. Weld, a Republican who will run for re-election next year, called for a statewide ban on assault weapons — a proposal he opposed during his 1990 campaign — as well as a waiting period for buying handguns and a prohibition on handgun ownership by anyone under 21. His proposed legislation would also limit the number of handguns an individual could buy and would impose tough penalties for illegal gun sales and gun-related crimes.
“The purpose of this common sense legislation is to remove deadly guns from our streets and to take weapons out of the hands of many teens who themselves are becoming deadly killers,” the Governor said."
For me, it's a deal breaker. How sad is it to have to cast protest votes now against the 3rd party candidate?
But the pick is just inexplicable in general...and raises questions about Gary Johnson... does he really believe in any principles behind his views? Is he at all interested in advancing those ideas, exposing them to more people?
At best, he chose Weld in spite of all the authoritarian gun grabbing views, which shows his willingness to put Americans at risk for his own political gain. At worst, he chose Weld because of those views, which also shows he's willing to harm the Libertarian movement itself with philosophical contamination brought by Weld supporters. Sorry but if anyone finds things like environmental regulations, gun control, and affirmative action politically appealing then they know jack about Liberty. And since realistically we're not winning either way, it's the message that really matter. Not saying pick Tom Woods as veep, but at least not some pseudo conservative statist.
Last edited by Murray N Rothbard; 06-02-2016 at 12:43 PM.
Several states had official state religions or state sponsorship of religion in the founding era. i.e. http://candst.tripod.com/cnst_ma.htm
OK all you conspiracy theorists, what's Weld going to be able to do as VP when President Gary wants to end all foreign intervention?
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