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    Paul and the Mystery Religions

    Paul and the Mystery Religions

    This explanation of Paul and the Mystery Religions is intended to help you understand how the church replaced Yeshua's teachings with a mythology that was current in the religions that appealed to the gentiles during his time.

    It is, in the end, a support for Yeshua's teachings, not an attempt to disgrace them.

    If you haven't heard about Mithras yet, you will in the next few years. There are many who are so disillusioned with the church that they want to destroy everything associated with it, and in so doing, they would heave Yeshua's teachings onto the compost pile with the tattered remnants of the church. That must not happen. I explain Mithras and the man-god mythologies here so we can separate them from Yeshua and embrace his teachings; I do not present them to denigrate Yeshua.

    The early followers of Yeshua in the Jerusalem church had the problem of appealing to the Jews, who saw Yeshua's ignominious death as scandalizing. Paul had the same problem in appealing to the Jews, but he and the Greco-Roman missionaries also had the problem of converting the pagans, who didn't understand the conception of a Jewish messiah. But the time was short—they had to bring as many pagan converts into the fold as possible so they "would not perish, but have eternal life."

    The beliefs of the Jewish followers of Yeshua were still Jewish; Yeshua was the messiah who would return and rout the Romans to establish the Kingdom of Israel. However, those appealing to the pagans and god fearers (non-Jews who worshiped with the Jews) had to make some changes in their presentation of Yeshua for non-Jewish hearers. The promise for the pagan converts was that Yeshua was a Messiah for all of humankind (not just the Jews) and that they could have eternal life without becoming Jews by just believing that Yeshua was the messiah for humankind, whom they termed the savior. The pagan converts would then not "die," but would have eternal life because of their belief.

    These missionaries to the pagans had a major problem, however. Many pagans believed in a god named Mithra (or Mithras). Mithra was an ancient god, so he had tradition and the sacred tenor that an ancient history brings, just as Yahweh had for the Jews. He dated from around 1400 BCE, before Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. However, Mithra was even more widely accepted than Yahweh, Moses' god. He was known, in various forms, in India, Persia, Greece, and throughout the Roman Empire. For the Greeks and Romans in the first century, Mithras (with an "s") was the chief figure in a mystery religion called Mithraism that held prominence in the Roman Empire all the way through third century CE, especially among the military. His influence spread as far north as Hadrian's Wall and Germany.

    So the followers of Yeshua had to convince the followers of Mithras that they should abandon Mithras and follow Yeshua. That would be today like standing outside St. Paul's Cathedral handing out leaflets telling Roman Catholics they should abandon Jesus Christ and follow a new God named Paul Bunyon.

    But Yeshua and Mithras had something important in common. Mithra's followers were promised immortality and he had been entombed and rose from the dead, proving that immortality was available to those who believed in him. The promise of immortality and his rising from the dead were also the central tenets of Yeshua's message as the early church promulgated it. Those weren't the central tenets of Yeshua's message as he gave it, but the early church was intent on converting people because they were certain Yeshua was going to return any minute to establish the Kingdom of God and as many people as possible needed to be converted to get them into the fold before the return. The promise to entice them to convert was eternal life in Yeshua's Kingdom of God.

    But Mithras already promised eternal life in Mithras' Kingdom of God, so why should the Mithraites convert to following Yeshua? Paul and the other followers of Yeshua outside of the Jerusalem church took care of the problem. They just made some adjustments in the story of Yeshua's life so the pagan believers in Mithras would feel at home with the Jewish Messiah. In the earliest sources (Paul's letters, written around 50 CE to 65 CE, a very early gospel termed the Q source we know from sayings in Luke and Matthew that are not in Mark, written before 70 CE, and Mark, the earliest gospel, written just after 70 CE), there was no miraculous birth and only modest supernatural occurrences in Yeshua's life. By the time Matthew and Luke wrote their gospels (around 90 CE), the story was quite different; Yeshua had a host of supernatural events surrounding his birth and death. The question is, where did these events suddenly come from?

    We find them in Mithras. The missionaries promoting Yeshua as the messiah for humankind simply wrote them into the narrations about Yeshua. A list of characteristics of Mithras follows. Remember that these were centuries old before Yeshua was even born. You'll see what was borrowed to make Yeshua more appealing to the pagan Mithraites:

    Mithras was born of a virgin who was given the title of "Mother of God"
    Mithras was born on December 25. Before Constantine (a follower of Mithras) changed the date, the birth date Yeshua's followers observed was January 6. However, Yeshua's birth, based on the descriptions, would actually have been in the spring.
    Mithras was born in a cave (stable), and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
    Mithras was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
    Mithras had 12 companions or disciples.
    Mithras performed miracles.
    Mithras' followers were baptized.
    Mithras suffered to bring salvation to a sin-cursed humankind.
    Mithras was buried in a tomb and rose after three days. (Yeshua rose after a day and a half, but the gospel accounts used the three days to fit with Mithras' story, in spite of the obvious disparity in the timeline.)
    Mithras' resurrection was celebrated every year.
    Mithras ascended into heaven after finishing his deeds.
    Mithras' followers were promised immortality.
    Mithras was called “the good shepherd” and identified with both the lamb and the lion.
    Mithras was called the “way, the truth and the light,” " logos,” "word," “redeemer,” “savior” and “messiah.”
    On the Judgment Day, Mithras would use the keys of heaven to unlock the gates of Paradise to receive the faithful. All the unbaptized living and dead would perish.
    Mithra's sacred day was Sunday, called the “Lord’s day” because Mithraism was a sun religion. Yeshua's sacred day was changed from the Jewish Sabbath, Saturday, to match Mithras' day.
    Mithras had his principal festival on the day that was later to become Easter for Christians.
    Mithras' religion had a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper,” at which Mithras said, “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”

    On a final day of judgment, the dead would resurrect and in a final conflict, the existing order would be destroyed and light would triumph over darkness.

    Since all of these characteristics of Mithras predated Yeshua by fourteen hundred years, Mithraism could not have copied the Yeshua story; it had to be the reverse. These details about Yeshua were not in the earliest sources. They appeared later.

    The early followers of Yeshua had the best of intentions, and the parallel in the promise of eternal life between Yeshua and Mithras was so clear, that they felt justified in adding to Yeshua's story between the times of the Mark and the Q document (50 CE – 70 CE) and the writing of the later gospels (90 CE – 110 CE). The writers of the gospels and Paul didn't know Yeshua, so they weren't really acquainted with him or his teachings. They just had the written and oral stories about him. It was quite easy to embellish the accounts to add Mithras' characteristics to make Yeshua look more appealing to the Mithraites and other pagans.

    Paul contributed to that inclination. His focus on a suffering, sacrificial Christ for the salvation of humankind was undoubtedly influenced by Mithras worship. Paul lived in Tarsus, where the Mysteries of Mithras had originated. He seems also to have been heavily influenced by the Greek Christos images of a god-king who dies as an offering to a divine being to save humankind. Those influences helped shape Paul's focus on the Messiah bringing salvation and on belief as the only requirement for converts; spiritual growth as Yeshua described it didn't enter into Mithras worship, the Greek Christos, or Paul's teaching.

    Yeshua abhorred violence and sacrifice, yet his story grew to be one of God sacrificing his son. Yeshua repeatedly called himself "Son of Man" (meaning human being) and "Son of God" (meaning servant of God). Yet the early church raised him to a Mithraic man-god.

    In the second century CE, there was a resurgence of Mithras worship throughout the Roman Empire. What was especially attractive to the Romans was that Mithraism had rituals of worship observance and control, traits the bureaucratic, militaristic Romans found appealing. Mithraism was most popular among the military. When Constantine, who was a follower of Mithras, threw his political support behind Christianity in 321 CE, he expected the same ritual and control. The Christian church was happy to adapt to his wishes.

    Constantine maintained his ties to Mithraism while professing to be a Christian. The rituals of Mithraism were important for the church to carry over to retain favor with the Roman Empire, so it simply adopted them. It was Constantine who changed the birth date for Yeshua from January 6 to December 25, Mithras' birthday. Customs such as dipping the fingers in holy water and making the sign of the cross were borrowed from Mithraism. The Mithraic cult was male-dominated, with men called "Fathers." The members below them were called "brothers." The Mithraic fathers wore the mitre caps the Christian bishops adopted and still wear today; the Mithraic Holy Father wore a red cap and garment, had an official ring, and carried a shepherd's staff. He was located in Rome. The Christian Bishop of Rome adopted all of these trappings. Christianity enthusiastically took on the traditions and rituals of Mithraism, making its rituals virtually indistinguishable from the Mithraic rituals. After the fourth century, the two religions had been blended into the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

    There were so many similarities between Christianity and Mithraism that early church fathers such as Tertullian and Justin Martyr claimed that centuries before Yeshua's birth, Satan had created a false religion that shared many of the same rituals, traditions and beliefs Christianity would contain centuries later, in order to mislead people away from Yeshua after his birth and death. The explanation was so outrageous that it was never taken seriously. However, it was an admission of the fact that the customs, stories, and rituals central to Christianity were identical to those in Mithraism.

    The transgression wasn't so much in embellishing Yeshua's story; it was in the fact that the church leaders from the first century on focused solely on conversion and belief while neglecting Yeshua's teachings about spirituality and the example of his life that modeled his teachings. Today, we know information about Yeshua and his times that the people didn't know in the first three centuries after his time, and in fact no one has known during the two millennia since his life. Today, we know the truth.

    We now have two choices:

    Continue to focus on assent to a creed and the Mithraic embellishments that made a man-god of Yeshua and created a Mithraic, ritualistic, controlling church;


    Resurrect Yeshua's teachings and example so we grow spiritually ourselves and we help humankind to grow into the Kingdom of God Yeshua envisioned.

    I fervently pray for and dedicate my life to supporting the change to following Yeshua's teachings as he spoke them prior to 30 CE.

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    I think that Jesus may have even been a guy that was trying to tell people that we are all our own Gods in our own way - "I am God, son of God".

    That Mithraic, agents of Rome would have over the centuries progressively warped whatever it is that he had been saying should be a given, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petar View Post

    I think that Jesus may have even been a guy that was trying to tell people that we are all our own Gods in our own way - "I am God, son of God".

    That Mithraic, agents of Rome would have over the centuries progressively warped whatever it is that he had been saying should be a given, IMO.
    I believe you are on a productive track, keep going.

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    Everything in that article has already been handily debunked on this very site by people who provided links and references.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Everything in that article has already been handily debunked on this very site by people who provided links and references.
    It's why he doesn't bump his old threads, but instead posts new ones like it's new info. Ronin cares nothing for actual historical accounts and has actually disparaged historical documents in favor of these tabloid style religious articles, and from the way he comments in his posts I doubt he even reads his own articles.

    Usually I just see in his threads a pathological hatred of Christians and Christianity. All he does is toss whatever excrement he can find on these threads with hopes that something will stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
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    The last weeks I investigated the Mithras cult, which according to some (including me) has corrupted the teachings of Jesus Christ:

    There are also obvious links to devil worship, as according to Satanists, including Aleister Crowley, Baphomet is really Father Mithras.

    Mithra or Mehr (translation: love, sun), worshipped since at least 1400 BC, was supposedly born of his virgin mother Anahita and the seed of Zarathustra (from the waters of Lake Hamun in the Persian province of Sistan). His birth took place in a cave, where shepherds attended him at the winter solstice and presented him gifts.
    According to another tale, Mithras was born from a rock; shown with a serpent coiled around the rock.

    In Hinduism Mithra is praised as Mitra-Varuna. Hymn 3.59 of the Rig Veda is dedicated to Mithra.
    In Persia, Mithra was the protector god of the tribal society until the Zoroastar's reformation of Persian polytheism (628-55 BC).
    In the Avesta, Mithra is the protector of the Aryan nation, giving victory to those who lie not unto Mithra.

    On 25 December 274, Roman Emperor Aurelian proclaimed the Sun God the principal patron of the Empire and dedicated a temple to Him in the Campus Martius.
    Catholicism has remained close to Mithraism, including: the timing of Christmas and Bishops adaptation of miters. The Christian church adopted 25 December as Jesus' birthday in the Fourth century. Christians priests are called Father. Mithraic Holy fathers wore red garment and cap, a ring, and carried a shepherds staff.

    The official story is that Emperor Constantine (Emperor 306-337 AD) converted from Mithraism to Christianity on the eve of a battle in 312 AD. After which the the Church were founded and Bible were put together on the orders of Roman Emperor Constantine (almost 300 years after Jesus was murdered by the Romans).
    It was the Council of Nicaea that officially proclaimed the New Testament as being written by God in 325 AD.

    That Constantine didn´t convert from Mithraism to Christianity in 312 AD is apparent. At least until 323 AD, his coins were inscribed with: “SOL INVICTO COMITI” (TO MY COMPANION THE INVINCIBLE SUN) and showed Sol.

    Mithra is also found in Chinese mythology, where he is known as “The Friend” and in statues is shown as a Military General.
    Traces of the inner teachings of Mithraism can also be found in Sufisim (the mystical cult in Islam). At the end of the initiation ritual for the Miles degree a mark was branded (there are current practices of branding marks, for example in Bronfman’s NXIVM cult). During the ritual meal they drink wine, with their cup they offered devotional love. The bread represents flesh of the bull in whose death was life.
    Mithras is also present in the autoerotic 7th degree and homoerotic 11th degree of Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) of the infamous Satanist Aleister Crowley.

    Mithras´ battle with the Sun resulted in the formation of a friendship between Mithras and his “companion” Sol Invictus (Invincible Sun).
    Mithras is asked by the sun to kill the Bull, but refuses at first. The Raven, as messenger of the Sun, comes to him again with the request. Mithras goes into the field and captures the Bull and drags him to the cave of his birth. When Mithras kills the bull, from his blood comes wine and all the plants on earth.
    The Bull that Mithra sacrifices represents his ego.

    Mithras is mostly pictured in the bull slaying scene. The scene shows Mithras slaying the Bull while he looks away. He stabs the bull in the neck. Around him are his companions the snake, scorpion, and dog. The 2 torch bearers of Mithras, Cautopates and Cautes, stand at either side of the bull slaying scene.
    In the upper left corner is Sol Invictus (note the similarity to the Statue of Liberty in New York) and in the upper right corner the crescent moon.
    See the Roman marble of Mithras slaying the bull, 2nd/early 3rd Century AD.

    Ulansey believes the images of Mithras slaying the bull (Taurus) are astronomical star maps. He claims that just about all the iconography and even initiation ceremonies are consistently astronomical. Mithras’ killing of the bull symbolizes his power to move the entire universe.
    See Mithras with the 12 signs of the zodiac surround him, showing he rules the cosmos.

    The bull slaying tale represents the constellation Persus (Mithras), Taurus (Bull), Canis Minor (dog), Hydra (snake), Corvus (raven), Scorpio (scorpio). The wheat is the star Spica (the brightest star in Virgo) and the blood is the Milky Way.
    At the spring equinox Mithras moves the earth back into Aries, raising energy and power.
    See Mithras with the 12 signs of the zodiac around him, with the snake wrapped around him.
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    In Mithraism, there were 7 degrees of initiation.
    The first degree was of Corax (Raven) under Mercury.
    The second degree of Nymphus (male-bride) under Venus. The neophyte wears a veil and carries a lamp in his hand. He makes a vow to the cult, and becomes celibate for at least duration of this stage. He is a bride(lover) of Mithra. He also offers a cup of water to the statute of Mithras.
    On reaching the third degree Miles (Soldier) under Mars, the neophyte had to kneel naked, blindfolded with hands tied. He was then offered a crown on the point of a sword, which he ultimately puts away.

    The fourth stage of Leo (Lion) under Jupiter is the first of the senior degrees. He is entering the element of fire and is not allowed to touch water during the ritual, and instead honey was offered to the initiate to wash his hands and anoint his tongue.

    The fifth degree of Perses (Persian) under moon, where he receives the highest revelations of wisdom of Magi. The initiate was purified with honey “associated with” purity and fertility.
    In the sixth grade of Heliodromus (sun runner) under sun, the initiate imitates Sun at the ritual banquet. Sitting next to Mithra (Father), dressed in red, color of sun, fire and blood of life.
    The seventh, highest, grade was of Pater (father) under Saturn.

    See the symbols for the 7 stages of Roman Mithraism.
    In the final grade is a distinct Persian cap symbolizing the cap of Mithras.

    Besides Christ and Mithras, there are many other deities - like Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, Balder, Attis, and Dionysus – that died and were resurrected.
    Many classical heroes – like Hercules, Perseus, and Theseus – were born through the a virgin mother and divine father.

    The veneration of Mithra began around 3000 BCE in Persia but only in about 2800 BC, Mithra was transformed to a major gods.
    Mithraism spread east through India to China, and west throughout the entire length of the Roman frontier. Sites of Mithraic worship have been found in Britain, Italy, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Persia, Armenia, Syria, Israel, and North Africa.
    Mithraism was especially strong in Armenia, where the Parthian princes were priests of Mithras, and an entire district of this land was dedicated to the Virgin Mother Anahita. Many Mithraeums were built in Armenia, which remained one of the laststrongholds of Mithraism.

    See Mithras in Persian dress slaying the sacred bull at the Santa Maria Capua Vetere.

    Mithras represented a system of ethics in which the brotherhood should unify against evil. Mithras worshippers believed in a celestial heaven and an infernal hell.
    Purification through a ritualistic baptism was required of the faithful, who also took part in a ceremony in which they drank wine and ate bread to symbolize the body and blood of the god.

    In the seventeen or eighteen century B.C., the Persian pantheon was drastically reformed by Zarathustra (known in Greek as Zoroaster). Ahura-Mazda became supreme god of goodness, whereas Ahriman became the ultimate embodiment of evil. The reformation of Zarathustra retained the hundreds of Persian deities, ordered into a hierarchical system of “Immortals” and “Adored Ones” under the rule of either Ahura-Mazda or Ahriman.
    Within this pantheon of gods, Mithras became the “Judger of Souls’, the divine representative of Ahura-Mazda on earth, and protected the righteous from the demonic forces of Ahriman. Mithras was omniscient, undeceivable, infallible, eternally watchful, and never-resting. Mithras had 1000 eyes (so he could see everything), was the God of Truth, Lord of Heavenly Light and The Lord of the Wide Pastures (who caused the plants to spring forth from the ground).
    Mithras was the guardian of arms, and patron of soldiers and armies.

    According to the Avesta, the holy book of the religion of Zarathustra, Ahura-Mazda created Mithras in order to guarantee contracts and of promises. The name Mithras, in fact, became the Persian word for “contract”.
    The handshake was developed by those who worshipped him as a token of friendship and as a gesture to show that you were unarmed. When Mithras later became the Roman god of contracts, the handshake gesture was imported throughout the Mediterranean and Europe by Roman soldiers.
    Mithras at the left in Iranian attire shaking hands with the Hellenic God Zeus. This may be one of the first depictions of the handshake symbolizing the “Payman” (pact), Eski Kale (Turkey), circa 300 BC.

    The Babylonians also incorporated their belief in destiny into the Mithraic worship of Zurvan, the Persian god of infinite time and father of the gods Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman.
    Mithras worshippers prayed: “Abide with me in my soul. Leave me not [so] that I may be initiated and that the Holy Spirit may breathe within me.”

    Sacrificial offerings of cattle and birds were made to Mithras, along with the hallucinogenic drink Haoma (similar to “Soma” from Vedic scriptures).

    See from left to right: Mithra, Ardashir II and the supreme God Ahuramazda; standing on a lotus. See the “Sun Rays” coming from the head of Mithras and the object held by Mithras, which could be a ceremonial broadsword.

    The great festival of the Mithraic calendar on December the 25th, and the 16th of every month was kept holy to Mithras.
    The Mithraic priests were called Patres Sacrorum (Fathers of the Sacred Mysteries). They had the titles Leo and Hierocorax, and presided over the priestly festivals of Leontica (for lions), Coracica (for ravens), and Hierocoracica (sacred ravens).
    Mithras was worshipped almost exclusively by men, most of the wives and daughters of the Mithraists worshipped Magna Mater, Ma-Bellona, Anahita, Cybele, and Artemis. These goddess religions practiced the ritual known of the Taurobolium (bull sacrifice), in which the blood of the slaughtered animal drenched the initiate. Mithraists soon adopted the Taurobolium ritual as their own. This blood baptism symbolised renewal of the human soul.

    Mani and many of his followers were persecuted and (Mani died in 276 AD). Manichaeism was a major religion in the East until the 14th century. It later led to the creation of several early Christian “heresies”, like the Cathars (a.k.a. Albigenses).
    The Knights Templar, founded by Crusaders in Jerusalem in 1118, came into contact with Manichean heretics who despised the Cross, regarding it as the instrument of Christ’s torture. This was followed by the Templars, who were charged with blasphemy in 1312 for committing homosexual acts, worshipping Baphomet, and spitting upon crucifixes in their rituas.
    The Knights Templar have been imitated by dozens of mystical sects and secret societies, including the Freemasons, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the Ordo Templi Orientallis of Alistair Crowley.
    Worshippers of Mithras were the first in the western world to preach the doctrine of divine right of kings. It was the worship of the sun, on which the Sun-King Louis XIV (1638-1715) and other deified sovereigns of the West founded their monarchial absolute dictatorship.

    In Iran, up until at least 1979, traditional Mithraic holidays and customs still continued to be officially practiced. The celebrations have continued with the support of the supposed Iranian Islamic extremism. The Iranian New Year celebration of “Now-Ruz” takes place in the spring for 13 days. The “Mihragan” festival in honor of Mithras, Judge of Iran, runs for a period of 5 days.
    Mithras is also still venerated today by the Parsis, the descendants of the Persian Zoroastrians now living mainly in India. Their temples to Mithras are called “dar-i Mihr” (The Court of Mithras):
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    Has anybody heard the story of the 3 wise men (or kings) from the East visiting the newborn baby Jesus after following the star?

    According to the New Testament:
    - They were an unnumbered amount (instead of a defined 3);
    - They only started travelling to Bethlehem AFTER Jesus had already been born (the star had already disappeared); so Jesus was probably still a baby (not completely sure) but NOT newborn.

    Matthew 2:1-11 (KJV)
    1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
    2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
    3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
    4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

    5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
    6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
    7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
    8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

    9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
    10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
    11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

    The supposed 3 Magi (wise men) from the East were later named: Balthasar, Melchior and Caspar.
    Alternately they were called Bithisarea, Melichior and Gathasp (or Casper of Gasper).

    Subsequent traditions embellished the narrative. In the 3rd century the magi were considered to be kings.
    In Western churches, Balthasar is often represented as a king of Arabia or Ethiopia, Melchior as a king of Persia, and Gaspar as a king of India.

    The Adoration of the Magi became one of the most popular themes in Christian art, the first known painting on the subject is the fresco in the Priscilla Catacomb of Rome from the 2nd century (when Christians were still persecuted by Rome).

    Eastern tradition sets the number of Magi at 12, “based” on the number of gifts:

    Mithras is often pictured wearing a (red) Mithras cap, a.k.a. Phrygian cap.
    See the “Three” Wise Men from the “east” (Persia) in a painting at Basilica of Sant' Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy; wearing Mithras caps, 6th century AD.

    The Mithras cap is a popular theme in the biggest “Christian”, Mithras worshipping, nation in the world, the USA.

    See Columbia “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on a US coin from 1831.

    See “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on an American World War 1 propaganda poster.
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    Odin, Thrace

    Over 170 names are recorded for the Norse Odin.
    In German his name was Wuotan or Wotan and in old English and Saxon Woden and Wodan.

    Odin has only one eye. There are many “masonic” pictures with the one eye motto. Most of them don´t mention that this could be in reference to Odin...
    Odin died either by hanging from or crucifixion on the ”world tree” (Yggdrasil). See the picture, 1895.

    Mithras wore a Phyrgian cap and was accompanied by a raven, a dog and a serpent (snake).
    Odin had 2 wolves and 2 ravens for companion. See a picture of Odin (I don’t know what the snake means).

    See another picture of Odin, one eye, in red with a cape and a yellow sun, with 2 ravens, 18th century.

    The modern English “Wednesday” comes from Old English wodnesdæg, like the Dutch “woensdag” is derived from wodensdach – Odin day. Also the Dutch “woede” (anger), is derived from Wodan (Odin):
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    I found the following interesting long article (not only on Odin!)...

    The Norse Trinity consisted of Odin (the father), his son Thor (who is crucified), and son of inspiration (the Holy Ghost) Freyr.
    See a detail from runestone in the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm. The 3 men are interpreted as Odin, Thor and Freyr.

    Constantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
    See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.

    The number 12 – zodiac signs, number of months, sons of Jacob (Israel) and apostles – dates back all the way to the Sumerians. See the following Sumerian tablet, dated 3000 BC or older.
    (archived here:

    In one of those strange coincidences, according to the Prose Vedda (dated 9th to 12th century), Odin (Voden), the son of Fríallaf, originally came from Thrace (now Turkey), home of snake and Mithras worshipping, before moving to what is now Scandinavia.
    The genealogy begins with Noah from the Tanach (Old Testament), whose ark landed in what is now Turkey:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post

    Mithras is often pictured wearing a (red) Mithras cap, a.k.a. Phrygian cap.
    See the “Three” Wise Men from the “east” (Persia) in a painting at Basilica of Sant' Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy; wearing Mithras caps, 6th century AD.

    The Mithras cap is a popular theme in the biggest “Christian”, Mithras worshipping, nation in the world, the USA.

    See Columbia “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on a US coin from 1831.

    OMG!!! The MAGA hat is red too!!! So it's not just a sign of racism!!! Also MAGA has three letters similar with Magi!!! They are everywhere!!!

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    OMG!!! The MAGA hat is red too!!! So it's not just a sign of racism!!! Also MAGA has three letters similar with Magi!!! They are everywhere!!!
    The "magi" were really witches visiting Jesus to show their respect (or didn't they?)...

    Magus is the male form.
    Maga would be a female witch.
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    Constantine, Diocletianon - destroying scripture

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Constantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
    See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.
    In the 8th century, the story was that Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity after he had been cured of leprosy. In the 21th century, our wonderful history falsifiers think that it’s wise, as Constantine didn’t suffer from leprosy, to push another story...
    This story reads, that in 312 Constantine was commanded in a dream on the eve of the battle to place the sign of Christ on the shields of his soldiers. So he chose the sign of Mithras – the cross?!?

    Arius, a priest in Alexandria, taught that there was a time when Christ did not exist, so wasn’t co-eternal with the Father, and that the Son was subordinate to the Father and that the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – are 3 different hypostaseis. Arius’s teachings were condemned and Arius was excommunicated in 318 by a council convened by the bishop of Alexandria Alexander.

    Constantine then summoned the First Ecumenical Council of the church at Nicaea that started on 20 May 325. The council formulated the Nicene Creed, including the Trinity and that the Bible is “God’s word”. Arius was condemned for his dangerous teachings.
    I don’t know if according to legend, Arius “turned the other cheek” but here’s a fresco showing St Nicholas of Myra (on who supposedly Sinterklaas and Santa are based) slapping Arius in the face to stop him from talking at the First Council of Nicaea.

    In a great example of Christianity, in 326 Constantine ordered the execution of his oldest son Crispus, who had come under suspicion of "being involved" with his stepmother Fausta. Later that year, soon after killing Crispus, Constantine also had Fausta, the mother of his other 3 sons, murdered:
    (archived here:

    St. George was reportedly executed on the orders of Roman Emperor Diocletianon 23 April 303...

    The official story is that all of the books of the New Testament were written in the 1st century AD...
    How could Emperor Constantine discover these scriptures as Emperor Diocletianon in 23 February 303, in the edict of Diocletian, ordered the destruction of all the scriptures of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth (where they already called Christians?).
    This edict and further persecutionary edicts remained in effect until 313 when they were rescinded by Emperor Constantine.

    A few years later, Roman Emperor Constantine enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies of the entire Bible.
    So these could only have been texts that weren´t of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth:

    These “Christians” must have had a lot of trust in the Mithras, sun worshipping Emperor Constantine if they would turn over their guarded holy texts only a couple of years after many of them were executed for not turning them in!
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    Anu, Enki and Enlil

    This look like the origins of the “Roman” Mithras slaying the bull...
    In the Epic of Gilgamesh (2100 BC), Gilgamesh slays the Bull of Heaven that Anu had given to his daughter Ishtar.

    According to Nicholas de Vere, the origins of all of these Gods is the Trinity of the Scythian Anu (the Great Father of the Sky) and his sons Enki and Enlil (from 2 different mothers):

    Ki gave birth to Enlil, Lord of the Air and Earth. Enlil cleaved the earth from heaven and took command of earth with his mother Ki
    Antu’s child was Enki, Lord of the Earth and Waters.
    See Enlil and Enki around the World tree.

    The offspring of Anu (whose parents were Anshar and Kishar) are the Anunnaki...
    Enlil is the “evil” God, who commissioned the creation of the human race, so he would have slaves.
    Then Enki created human beings from clay and the blood of the slain god Kingu.

    One day Enlil decides that he’s fed up with “creation” so decides to flood earth to exterminate all beings.
    Enki doesn’t agree, so he warns the hero Atra-hasis (or Utnapishtim) to build an Ark and fill it with animals. With his wife he preserved life on earth; after the waters receded, he released the animals to repopulate the planet:
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