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    Paul and the Mystery Religions



    Paul and the Mystery Religions


    This explanation of Paul and the Mystery Religions is intended to help you understand how the church replaced Yeshua's teachings with a mythology that was current in the religions that appealed to the gentiles during his time.

    It is, in the end, a support for Yeshua's teachings, not an attempt to disgrace them.

    If you haven't heard about Mithras yet, you will in the next few years. There are many who are so disillusioned with the church that they want to destroy everything associated with it, and in so doing, they would heave Yeshua's teachings onto the compost pile with the tattered remnants of the church. That must not happen. I explain Mithras and the man-god mythologies here so we can separate them from Yeshua and embrace his teachings; I do not present them to denigrate Yeshua.

    The early followers of Yeshua in the Jerusalem church had the problem of appealing to the Jews, who saw Yeshua's ignominious death as scandalizing. Paul had the same problem in appealing to the Jews, but he and the Greco-Roman missionaries also had the problem of converting the pagans, who didn't understand the conception of a Jewish messiah. But the time was short—they had to bring as many pagan converts into the fold as possible so they "would not perish, but have eternal life."

    The beliefs of the Jewish followers of Yeshua were still Jewish; Yeshua was the messiah who would return and rout the Romans to establish the Kingdom of Israel. However, those appealing to the pagans and god fearers (non-Jews who worshiped with the Jews) had to make some changes in their presentation of Yeshua for non-Jewish hearers. The promise for the pagan converts was that Yeshua was a Messiah for all of humankind (not just the Jews) and that they could have eternal life without becoming Jews by just believing that Yeshua was the messiah for humankind, whom they termed the savior. The pagan converts would then not "die," but would have eternal life because of their belief.

    These missionaries to the pagans had a major problem, however. Many pagans believed in a god named Mithra (or Mithras). Mithra was an ancient god, so he had tradition and the sacred tenor that an ancient history brings, just as Yahweh had for the Jews. He dated from around 1400 BCE, before Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. However, Mithra was even more widely accepted than Yahweh, Moses' god. He was known, in various forms, in India, Persia, Greece, and throughout the Roman Empire. For the Greeks and Romans in the first century, Mithras (with an "s") was the chief figure in a mystery religion called Mithraism that held prominence in the Roman Empire all the way through third century CE, especially among the military. His influence spread as far north as Hadrian's Wall and Germany.

    So the followers of Yeshua had to convince the followers of Mithras that they should abandon Mithras and follow Yeshua. That would be today like standing outside St. Paul's Cathedral handing out leaflets telling Roman Catholics they should abandon Jesus Christ and follow a new God named Paul Bunyon.

    But Yeshua and Mithras had something important in common. Mithra's followers were promised immortality and he had been entombed and rose from the dead, proving that immortality was available to those who believed in him. The promise of immortality and his rising from the dead were also the central tenets of Yeshua's message as the early church promulgated it. Those weren't the central tenets of Yeshua's message as he gave it, but the early church was intent on converting people because they were certain Yeshua was going to return any minute to establish the Kingdom of God and as many people as possible needed to be converted to get them into the fold before the return. The promise to entice them to convert was eternal life in Yeshua's Kingdom of God.

    But Mithras already promised eternal life in Mithras' Kingdom of God, so why should the Mithraites convert to following Yeshua? Paul and the other followers of Yeshua outside of the Jerusalem church took care of the problem. They just made some adjustments in the story of Yeshua's life so the pagan believers in Mithras would feel at home with the Jewish Messiah. In the earliest sources (Paul's letters, written around 50 CE to 65 CE, a very early gospel termed the Q source we know from sayings in Luke and Matthew that are not in Mark, written before 70 CE, and Mark, the earliest gospel, written just after 70 CE), there was no miraculous birth and only modest supernatural occurrences in Yeshua's life. By the time Matthew and Luke wrote their gospels (around 90 CE), the story was quite different; Yeshua had a host of supernatural events surrounding his birth and death. The question is, where did these events suddenly come from?

    We find them in Mithras. The missionaries promoting Yeshua as the messiah for humankind simply wrote them into the narrations about Yeshua. A list of characteristics of Mithras follows. Remember that these were centuries old before Yeshua was even born. You'll see what was borrowed to make Yeshua more appealing to the pagan Mithraites:

    Mithras was born of a virgin who was given the title of "Mother of God"
    Mithras was born on December 25. Before Constantine (a follower of Mithras) changed the date, the birth date Yeshua's followers observed was January 6. However, Yeshua's birth, based on the descriptions, would actually have been in the spring.
    Mithras was born in a cave (stable), and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
    Mithras was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
    Mithras had 12 companions or disciples.
    Mithras performed miracles.
    Mithras' followers were baptized.
    Mithras suffered to bring salvation to a sin-cursed humankind.
    Mithras was buried in a tomb and rose after three days. (Yeshua rose after a day and a half, but the gospel accounts used the three days to fit with Mithras' story, in spite of the obvious disparity in the timeline.)
    Mithras' resurrection was celebrated every year.
    Mithras ascended into heaven after finishing his deeds.
    Mithras' followers were promised immortality.
    Mithras was called “the good shepherd” and identified with both the lamb and the lion.
    Mithras was called the “way, the truth and the light,” " logos,” "word," “redeemer,” “savior” and “messiah.”
    On the Judgment Day, Mithras would use the keys of heaven to unlock the gates of Paradise to receive the faithful. All the unbaptized living and dead would perish.
    Mithra's sacred day was Sunday, called the “Lord’s day” because Mithraism was a sun religion. Yeshua's sacred day was changed from the Jewish Sabbath, Saturday, to match Mithras' day.
    Mithras had his principal festival on the day that was later to become Easter for Christians.
    Mithras' religion had a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper,” at which Mithras said, “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”

    On a final day of judgment, the dead would resurrect and in a final conflict, the existing order would be destroyed and light would triumph over darkness.

    Since all of these characteristics of Mithras predated Yeshua by fourteen hundred years, Mithraism could not have copied the Yeshua story; it had to be the reverse. These details about Yeshua were not in the earliest sources. They appeared later.

    The early followers of Yeshua had the best of intentions, and the parallel in the promise of eternal life between Yeshua and Mithras was so clear, that they felt justified in adding to Yeshua's story between the times of the Mark and the Q document (50 CE – 70 CE) and the writing of the later gospels (90 CE – 110 CE). The writers of the gospels and Paul didn't know Yeshua, so they weren't really acquainted with him or his teachings. They just had the written and oral stories about him. It was quite easy to embellish the accounts to add Mithras' characteristics to make Yeshua look more appealing to the Mithraites and other pagans.

    Paul contributed to that inclination. His focus on a suffering, sacrificial Christ for the salvation of humankind was undoubtedly influenced by Mithras worship. Paul lived in Tarsus, where the Mysteries of Mithras had originated. He seems also to have been heavily influenced by the Greek Christos images of a god-king who dies as an offering to a divine being to save humankind. Those influences helped shape Paul's focus on the Messiah bringing salvation and on belief as the only requirement for converts; spiritual growth as Yeshua described it didn't enter into Mithras worship, the Greek Christos, or Paul's teaching.

    Yeshua abhorred violence and sacrifice, yet his story grew to be one of God sacrificing his son. Yeshua repeatedly called himself "Son of Man" (meaning human being) and "Son of God" (meaning servant of God). Yet the early church raised him to a Mithraic man-god.

    In the second century CE, there was a resurgence of Mithras worship throughout the Roman Empire. What was especially attractive to the Romans was that Mithraism had rituals of worship observance and control, traits the bureaucratic, militaristic Romans found appealing. Mithraism was most popular among the military. When Constantine, who was a follower of Mithras, threw his political support behind Christianity in 321 CE, he expected the same ritual and control. The Christian church was happy to adapt to his wishes.

    Constantine maintained his ties to Mithraism while professing to be a Christian. The rituals of Mithraism were important for the church to carry over to retain favor with the Roman Empire, so it simply adopted them. It was Constantine who changed the birth date for Yeshua from January 6 to December 25, Mithras' birthday. Customs such as dipping the fingers in holy water and making the sign of the cross were borrowed from Mithraism. The Mithraic cult was male-dominated, with men called "Fathers." The members below them were called "brothers." The Mithraic fathers wore the mitre caps the Christian bishops adopted and still wear today; the Mithraic Holy Father wore a red cap and garment, had an official ring, and carried a shepherd's staff. He was located in Rome. The Christian Bishop of Rome adopted all of these trappings. Christianity enthusiastically took on the traditions and rituals of Mithraism, making its rituals virtually indistinguishable from the Mithraic rituals. After the fourth century, the two religions had been blended into the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

    There were so many similarities between Christianity and Mithraism that early church fathers such as Tertullian and Justin Martyr claimed that centuries before Yeshua's birth, Satan had created a false religion that shared many of the same rituals, traditions and beliefs Christianity would contain centuries later, in order to mislead people away from Yeshua after his birth and death. The explanation was so outrageous that it was never taken seriously. However, it was an admission of the fact that the customs, stories, and rituals central to Christianity were identical to those in Mithraism.

    The transgression wasn't so much in embellishing Yeshua's story; it was in the fact that the church leaders from the first century on focused solely on conversion and belief while neglecting Yeshua's teachings about spirituality and the example of his life that modeled his teachings. Today, we know information about Yeshua and his times that the people didn't know in the first three centuries after his time, and in fact no one has known during the two millennia since his life. Today, we know the truth.

    We now have two choices:

    Continue to focus on assent to a creed and the Mithraic embellishments that made a man-god of Yeshua and created a Mithraic, ritualistic, controlling church;

    OR

    Resurrect Yeshua's teachings and example so we grow spiritually ourselves and we help humankind to grow into the Kingdom of God Yeshua envisioned.

    I fervently pray for and dedicate my life to supporting the change to following Yeshua's teachings as he spoke them prior to 30 CE.


    http://30ce.com/mithras.htm

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    Interesting.

    I think that Jesus may have even been a guy that was trying to tell people that we are all our own Gods in our own way - "I am God, son of God".

    That Mithraic, agents of Rome would have over the centuries progressively warped whatever it is that he had been saying should be a given, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petar View Post
    Interesting.

    I think that Jesus may have even been a guy that was trying to tell people that we are all our own Gods in our own way - "I am God, son of God".

    That Mithraic, agents of Rome would have over the centuries progressively warped whatever it is that he had been saying should be a given, IMO.
    I believe you are on a productive track, keep going.

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    Everything in that article has already been handily debunked on this very site by people who provided links and references.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Everything in that article has already been handily debunked on this very site by people who provided links and references.
    It's why he doesn't bump his old threads, but instead posts new ones like it's new info. Ronin cares nothing for actual historical accounts and has actually disparaged historical documents in favor of these tabloid style religious articles, and from the way he comments in his posts I doubt he even reads his own articles.

    Usually I just see in his threads a pathological hatred of Christians and Christianity. All he does is toss whatever excrement he can find on these threads with hopes that something will stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Everything in that article has already been handily debunked on this very site by people who provided links and references.
    Talk is cheap. Show me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Talk is cheap. Show me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Gee, look who's search-function-challenged now...

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search....rchid=18483013
    Not at all.

    Just put up or STFU. <shrug> I'm guessing the put up is a no go.



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    The last weeks I investigated the Mithras cult, which according to some (including me) has corrupted the teachings of Jesus Christ: https://benwilliamslibrary.com/pdfs/st19-1&2.pdf

    There are also obvious links to devil worship, as according to Satanists, including Aleister Crowley, Baphomet is really Father Mithras.


    Mithra or Mehr (translation: love, sun), worshipped since at least 1400 BC, was supposedly born of his virgin mother Anahita and the seed of Zarathustra (from the waters of Lake Hamun in the Persian province of Sistan). His birth took place in a cave, where shepherds attended him at the winter solstice and presented him gifts.
    According to another tale, Mithras was born from a rock; shown with a serpent coiled around the rock.


    In Hinduism Mithra is praised as Mitra-Varuna. Hymn 3.59 of the Rig Veda is dedicated to Mithra.
    In Persia, Mithra was the protector god of the tribal society until the Zoroastar's reformation of Persian polytheism (628-55 BC).
    In the Avesta, Mithra is the protector of the Aryan nation, giving victory to those who lie not unto Mithra.

    On 25 December 274, Roman Emperor Aurelian proclaimed the Sun God the principal patron of the Empire and dedicated a temple to Him in the Campus Martius.
    Catholicism has remained close to Mithraism, including: the timing of Christmas and Bishops adaptation of miters. The Christian church adopted 25 December as Jesus' birthday in the Fourth century. Christians priests are called Father. Mithraic Holy fathers wore red garment and cap, a ring, and carried a shepherds staff.

    The official story is that Emperor Constantine (Emperor 306-337 AD) converted from Mithraism to Christianity on the eve of a battle in 312 AD. After which the the Church were founded and Bible were put together on the orders of Roman Emperor Constantine (almost 300 years after Jesus was murdered by the Romans).
    It was the Council of Nicaea that officially proclaimed the New Testament as being written by God in 325 AD.

    That Constantine didn´t convert from Mithraism to Christianity in 312 AD is apparent. At least until 323 AD, his coins were inscribed with: “SOL INVICTO COMITI” (TO MY COMPANION THE INVINCIBLE SUN) and showed Sol.


    Mithra is also found in Chinese mythology, where he is known as “The Friend” and in statues is shown as a Military General.
    Traces of the inner teachings of Mithraism can also be found in Sufisim (the mystical cult in Islam). At the end of the initiation ritual for the Miles degree a mark was branded (there are current practices of branding marks, for example in Bronfman’s NXIVM cult). During the ritual meal they drink wine, with their cup they offered devotional love. The bread represents flesh of the bull in whose death was life.
    Mithras is also present in the autoerotic 7th degree and homoerotic 11th degree of Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) of the infamous Satanist Aleister Crowley.

    Mithras´ battle with the Sun resulted in the formation of a friendship between Mithras and his “companion” Sol Invictus (Invincible Sun).
    Mithras is asked by the sun to kill the Bull, but refuses at first. The Raven, as messenger of the Sun, comes to him again with the request. Mithras goes into the field and captures the Bull and drags him to the cave of his birth. When Mithras kills the bull, from his blood comes wine and all the plants on earth.
    The Bull that Mithra sacrifices represents his ego.

    Mithras is mostly pictured in the bull slaying scene. The scene shows Mithras slaying the Bull while he looks away. He stabs the bull in the neck. Around him are his companions the snake, scorpion, and dog. The 2 torch bearers of Mithras, Cautopates and Cautes, stand at either side of the bull slaying scene.
    In the upper left corner is Sol Invictus (note the similarity to the Statue of Liberty in New York) and in the upper right corner the crescent moon.
    See the Roman marble of Mithras slaying the bull, 2nd/early 3rd Century AD.


    Ulansey believes the images of Mithras slaying the bull (Taurus) are astronomical star maps. He claims that just about all the iconography and even initiation ceremonies are consistently astronomical. Mithras’ killing of the bull symbolizes his power to move the entire universe.
    See Mithras with the 12 signs of the zodiac surround him, showing he rules the cosmos.


    The bull slaying tale represents the constellation Persus (Mithras), Taurus (Bull), Canis Minor (dog), Hydra (snake), Corvus (raven), Scorpio (scorpio). The wheat is the star Spica (the brightest star in Virgo) and the blood is the Milky Way.
    At the spring equinox Mithras moves the earth back into Aries, raising energy and power.
    See Mithras with the 12 signs of the zodiac around him, with the snake wrapped around him.

    https://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/mithras.htm
    (archived here: http://archive.ph/imXb4)


    In Mithraism, there were 7 degrees of initiation.
    The first degree was of Corax (Raven) under Mercury.
    The second degree of Nymphus (male-bride) under Venus. The neophyte wears a veil and carries a lamp in his hand. He makes a vow to the cult, and becomes celibate for at least duration of this stage. He is a bride(lover) of Mithra. He also offers a cup of water to the statute of Mithras.
    On reaching the third degree Miles (Soldier) under Mars, the neophyte had to kneel naked, blindfolded with hands tied. He was then offered a crown on the point of a sword, which he ultimately puts away.

    The fourth stage of Leo (Lion) under Jupiter is the first of the senior degrees. He is entering the element of fire and is not allowed to touch water during the ritual, and instead honey was offered to the initiate to wash his hands and anoint his tongue.

    The fifth degree of Perses (Persian) under moon, where he receives the highest revelations of wisdom of Magi. The initiate was purified with honey “associated with” purity and fertility.
    In the sixth grade of Heliodromus (sun runner) under sun, the initiate imitates Sun at the ritual banquet. Sitting next to Mithra (Father), dressed in red, color of sun, fire and blood of life.
    The seventh, highest, grade was of Pater (father) under Saturn.

    See the symbols for the 7 stages of Roman Mithraism.
    In the final grade is a distinct Persian cap symbolizing the cap of Mithras.


    Besides Christ and Mithras, there are many other deities - like Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, Balder, Attis, and Dionysus – that died and were resurrected.
    Many classical heroes – like Hercules, Perseus, and Theseus – were born through the a virgin mother and divine father.

    The veneration of Mithra began around 3000 BCE in Persia but only in about 2800 BC, Mithra was transformed to a major gods.
    Mithraism spread east through India to China, and west throughout the entire length of the Roman frontier. Sites of Mithraic worship have been found in Britain, Italy, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Persia, Armenia, Syria, Israel, and North Africa.
    Mithraism was especially strong in Armenia, where the Parthian princes were priests of Mithras, and an entire district of this land was dedicated to the Virgin Mother Anahita. Many Mithraeums were built in Armenia, which remained one of the laststrongholds of Mithraism.

    See Mithras in Persian dress slaying the sacred bull at the Santa Maria Capua Vetere.


    Mithras represented a system of ethics in which the brotherhood should unify against evil. Mithras worshippers believed in a celestial heaven and an infernal hell.
    Purification through a ritualistic baptism was required of the faithful, who also took part in a ceremony in which they drank wine and ate bread to symbolize the body and blood of the god.

    In the seventeen or eighteen century B.C., the Persian pantheon was drastically reformed by Zarathustra (known in Greek as Zoroaster). Ahura-Mazda became supreme god of goodness, whereas Ahriman became the ultimate embodiment of evil. The reformation of Zarathustra retained the hundreds of Persian deities, ordered into a hierarchical system of “Immortals” and “Adored Ones” under the rule of either Ahura-Mazda or Ahriman.
    Within this pantheon of gods, Mithras became the “Judger of Souls’, the divine representative of Ahura-Mazda on earth, and protected the righteous from the demonic forces of Ahriman. Mithras was omniscient, undeceivable, infallible, eternally watchful, and never-resting. Mithras had 1000 eyes (so he could see everything), was the God of Truth, Lord of Heavenly Light and The Lord of the Wide Pastures (who caused the plants to spring forth from the ground).
    Mithras was the guardian of arms, and patron of soldiers and armies.

    According to the Avesta, the holy book of the religion of Zarathustra, Ahura-Mazda created Mithras in order to guarantee contracts and of promises. The name Mithras, in fact, became the Persian word for “contract”.
    The handshake was developed by those who worshipped him as a token of friendship and as a gesture to show that you were unarmed. When Mithras later became the Roman god of contracts, the handshake gesture was imported throughout the Mediterranean and Europe by Roman soldiers.
    Mithras at the left in Iranian attire shaking hands with the Hellenic God Zeus. This may be one of the first depictions of the handshake symbolizing the “Payman” (pact), Eski Kale (Turkey), circa 300 BC.


    The Babylonians also incorporated their belief in destiny into the Mithraic worship of Zurvan, the Persian god of infinite time and father of the gods Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman.
    Mithras worshippers prayed: “Abide with me in my soul. Leave me not [so] that I may be initiated and that the Holy Spirit may breathe within me.”

    Sacrificial offerings of cattle and birds were made to Mithras, along with the hallucinogenic drink Haoma (similar to “Soma” from Vedic scriptures).

    See from left to right: Mithra, Ardashir II and the supreme God Ahuramazda; standing on a lotus. See the “Sun Rays” coming from the head of Mithras and the object held by Mithras, which could be a ceremonial broadsword.


    The great festival of the Mithraic calendar on December the 25th, and the 16th of every month was kept holy to Mithras.
    The Mithraic priests were called Patres Sacrorum (Fathers of the Sacred Mysteries). They had the titles Leo and Hierocorax, and presided over the priestly festivals of Leontica (for lions), Coracica (for ravens), and Hierocoracica (sacred ravens).
    Mithras was worshipped almost exclusively by men, most of the wives and daughters of the Mithraists worshipped Magna Mater, Ma-Bellona, Anahita, Cybele, and Artemis. These goddess religions practiced the ritual known of the Taurobolium (bull sacrifice), in which the blood of the slaughtered animal drenched the initiate. Mithraists soon adopted the Taurobolium ritual as their own. This blood baptism symbolised renewal of the human soul.

    Mani and many of his followers were persecuted and (Mani died in 276 AD). Manichaeism was a major religion in the East until the 14th century. It later led to the creation of several early Christian “heresies”, like the Cathars (a.k.a. Albigenses).
    The Knights Templar, founded by Crusaders in Jerusalem in 1118, came into contact with Manichean heretics who despised the Cross, regarding it as the instrument of Christ’s torture. This was followed by the Templars, who were charged with blasphemy in 1312 for committing homosexual acts, worshipping Baphomet, and spitting upon crucifixes in their rituas.
    The Knights Templar have been imitated by dozens of mystical sects and secret societies, including the Freemasons, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the Ordo Templi Orientallis of Alistair Crowley.
    Worshippers of Mithras were the first in the western world to preach the doctrine of divine right of kings. It was the worship of the sun, on which the Sun-King Louis XIV (1638-1715) and other deified sovereigns of the West founded their monarchial absolute dictatorship.

    In Iran, up until at least 1979, traditional Mithraic holidays and customs still continued to be officially practiced. The celebrations have continued with the support of the supposed Iranian Islamic extremism. The Iranian New Year celebration of “Now-Ruz” takes place in the spring for 13 days. The “Mihragan” festival in honor of Mithras, Judge of Iran, runs for a period of 5 days.
    Mithras is also still venerated today by the Parsis, the descendants of the Persian Zoroastrians now living mainly in India. Their temples to Mithras are called “dar-i Mihr” (The Court of Mithras): https://kavehfarrokh.com/arthurian-l...aic-mysteries/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/qYgeu)
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    Has anybody heard the story of the 3 wise men (or kings) from the East visiting the newborn baby Jesus after following the star?

    According to the New Testament:
    - They were an unnumbered amount (instead of a defined 3);
    - They only started travelling to Bethlehem AFTER Jesus had already been born (the star had already disappeared); so Jesus was probably still a baby (not completely sure) but NOT newborn.

    Matthew 2:1-11 (KJV)
    1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
    2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
    3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
    4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

    5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
    6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
    7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
    8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

    9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
    10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
    11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

    The supposed 3 Magi (wise men) from the East were later named: Balthasar, Melchior and Caspar.
    Alternately they were called Bithisarea, Melichior and Gathasp (or Casper of Gasper).

    Subsequent traditions embellished the narrative. In the 3rd century the magi were considered to be kings.
    In Western churches, Balthasar is often represented as a king of Arabia or Ethiopia, Melchior as a king of Persia, and Gaspar as a king of India.

    The Adoration of the Magi became one of the most popular themes in Christian art, the first known painting on the subject is the fresco in the Priscilla Catacomb of Rome from the 2nd century (when Christians were still persecuted by Rome).


    Eastern tradition sets the number of Magi at 12, “based” on the number of gifts: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Magi


    Mithras is often pictured wearing a (red) Mithras cap, a.k.a. Phrygian cap.
    See the “Three” Wise Men from the “east” (Persia) in a painting at Basilica of Sant' Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy; wearing Mithras caps, 6th century AD.


    The Mithras cap is a popular theme in the biggest “Christian”, Mithras worshipping, nation in the world, the USA.

    See Columbia “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on a US coin from 1831.


    See “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on an American World War 1 propaganda poster.
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    Odin, Thrace

    Over 170 names are recorded for the Norse Odin.
    In German his name was Wuotan or Wotan and in old English and Saxon Woden and Wodan.

    Odin has only one eye. There are many “masonic” pictures with the one eye motto. Most of them don´t mention that this could be in reference to Odin...
    Odin died either by hanging from or crucifixion on the ”world tree” (Yggdrasil). See the picture, 1895.


    Mithras wore a Phyrgian cap and was accompanied by a raven, a dog and a serpent (snake).
    Odin had 2 wolves and 2 ravens for companion. See a picture of Odin (I don’t know what the snake means).


    See another picture of Odin, one eye, in red with a cape and a yellow sun, with 2 ravens, 18th century.


    The modern English “Wednesday” comes from Old English wodnesdæg, like the Dutch “woensdag” is derived from wodensdach – Odin day. Also the Dutch “woede” (anger), is derived from Wodan (Odin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin
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    I found the following interesting long article (not only on Odin!)...

    The Norse Trinity consisted of Odin (the father), his son Thor (who is crucified), and son of inspiration (the Holy Ghost) Freyr.
    See a detail from runestone in the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm. The 3 men are interpreted as Odin, Thor and Freyr.


    Constantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
    See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.


    The number 12 – zodiac signs, number of months, sons of Jacob (Israel) and apostles – dates back all the way to the Sumerians. See the following Sumerian tablet, dated 3000 BC or older.

    https://arthuride.wordpress.com/tag/odin/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/TtDxI)


    In one of those strange coincidences, according to the Prose Vedda (dated 9th to 12th century), Odin (Voden), the son of Fríallaf, originally came from Thrace (now Turkey), home of snake and Mithras worshipping, before moving to what is now Scandinavia.
    The genealogy begins with Noah from the Tanach (Old Testament), whose ark landed in what is now Turkey: https://is.cuni.cz/studium/predmety/...&kod=ARL100252
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    Mithras is often pictured wearing a (red) Mithras cap, a.k.a. Phrygian cap.
    See the “Three” Wise Men from the “east” (Persia) in a painting at Basilica of Sant' Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy; wearing Mithras caps, 6th century AD.


    The Mithras cap is a popular theme in the biggest “Christian”, Mithras worshipping, nation in the world, the USA.

    See Columbia “Miss Liberty” with the Mithras cap on a US coin from 1831.

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    OMG!!! The MAGA hat is red too!!! So it's not just a sign of racism!!! Also MAGA has three letters similar with Magi!!! They are everywhere!!!
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    OMG!!! The MAGA hat is red too!!! So it's not just a sign of racism!!! Also MAGA has three letters similar with Magi!!! They are everywhere!!!
    The "magi" were really witches visiting Jesus to show their respect (or didn't they?)...

    Magus is the male form.
    Maga would be a female witch.
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    Constantine, Diocletianon - destroying scripture

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Constantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
    See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.
    In the 8th century, the story was that Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity after he had been cured of leprosy. In the 21th century, our wonderful history falsifiers think that it’s wise, as Constantine didn’t suffer from leprosy, to push another story...
    This story reads, that in 312 Constantine was commanded in a dream on the eve of the battle to place the sign of Christ on the shields of his soldiers. So he chose the sign of Mithras – the cross?!?

    Arius, a priest in Alexandria, taught that there was a time when Christ did not exist, so wasn’t co-eternal with the Father, and that the Son was subordinate to the Father and that the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – are 3 different hypostaseis. Arius’s teachings were condemned and Arius was excommunicated in 318 by a council convened by the bishop of Alexandria Alexander.

    Constantine then summoned the First Ecumenical Council of the church at Nicaea that started on 20 May 325. The council formulated the Nicene Creed, including the Trinity and that the Bible is “God’s word”. Arius was condemned for his dangerous teachings.
    I don’t know if according to legend, Arius “turned the other cheek” but here’s a fresco showing St Nicholas of Myra (on who supposedly Sinterklaas and Santa are based) slapping Arius in the face to stop him from talking at the First Council of Nicaea.


    In a great example of Christianity, in 326 Constantine ordered the execution of his oldest son Crispus, who had come under suspicion of "being involved" with his stepmother Fausta. Later that year, soon after killing Crispus, Constantine also had Fausta, the mother of his other 3 sons, murdered: http://homepages.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hob...6/ps06_195.htm
    (archived here: http://archive.is/BlR23)


    St. George was reportedly executed on the orders of Roman Emperor Diocletianon 23 April 303...


    The official story is that all of the books of the New Testament were written in the 1st century AD...
    How could Emperor Constantine discover these scriptures as Emperor Diocletianon in 23 February 303, in the edict of Diocletian, ordered the destruction of all the scriptures of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth (where they already called Christians?).
    This edict and further persecutionary edicts remained in effect until 313 when they were rescinded by Emperor Constantine.

    A few years later, Roman Emperor Constantine enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies of the entire Bible.
    So these could only have been texts that weren´t of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth: http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-diocleti...-scripture.htm


    These “Christians” must have had a lot of trust in the Mithras, sun worshipping Emperor Constantine if they would turn over their guarded holy texts only a couple of years after many of them were executed for not turning them in!
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  17. #15
    Anu, Enki and Enlil

    This look like the origins of the “Roman” Mithras slaying the bull...
    In the Epic of Gilgamesh (2100 BC), Gilgamesh slays the Bull of Heaven that Anu had given to his daughter Ishtar.


    According to Nicholas de Vere, the origins of all of these Gods is the Trinity of the Scythian Anu (the Great Father of the Sky) and his sons Enki and Enlil (from 2 different mothers): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...4-Dragon-court

    Ki gave birth to Enlil, Lord of the Air and Earth. Enlil cleaved the earth from heaven and took command of earth with his mother Ki
    Antu’s child was Enki, Lord of the Earth and Waters.
    See Enlil and Enki around the World tree.


    The offspring of Anu (whose parents were Anshar and Kishar) are the Anunnaki...
    Enlil is the “evil” God, who commissioned the creation of the human race, so he would have slaves.
    Then Enki created human beings from clay and the blood of the slain god Kingu.

    One day Enlil decides that he’s fed up with “creation” so decides to flood earth to exterminate all beings.
    Enki doesn’t agree, so he warns the hero Atra-hasis (or Utnapishtim) to build an Ark and fill it with animals. With his wife he preserved life on earth; after the waters receded, he released the animals to repopulate the planet: http://www.annunaki.org/enki-enlil/
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    Pagan Easter

    I´ve always found the story on the resurrection of Jesus Christ after 3 days very strange.
    Maybe I´ve watched too many horror movies, but are we supposed to believe that the resurrected Jesus Christ was more like a zombie or a ghost?!?


    Celebration of the Spring equinox
    In 325 AD, the sun-worshipping Roman Emperor Constantine the Great convened the Council of Nicaea that determined that Easter is on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the March equinox.
    This suggests that this celebration is really about celebrating the Spring...


    Descend of Inanna (Ishtar)
    According to some experts, the Easter story comes from the Sumerian legend of Damuzi and his wife Inanna, described in Sumerian clay tablets dated 2100 BC. The Babylonian names for Damuzi and Inanna are Tammuz and Ishtar respectively.
    When Tammuz dies, Ishtar is consumed by grief and follows him down to the Underworld. In the underworld, her worldly attire is removed, "Naked and bowed low" she is judged, killed, and then hung on display. In her absence, the earth loses its fertility, crops cease to grow and animals stop reproducing.
    See a clay tablet showing the Descent of Inanna.


    After Inanna has been missing for 3 days her assistant asks the other gods for help. Enki, him again, creates 2 creatures, who go to the Underworld to sprinkle Inanna and Damuzi with the plant and water of life, resurrecting them, so they can return to earth as the light of the sun for six months.
    After the six months are up, Tammuz returns to the Underworld of the dead, again followed by Ishtar, forcing the water god to rescue them both. This created the cycles of winter death and spring life.

    In ancient Egypt, an egg symbolised the sun, while for the Babylonians, the egg represents the hatching of the Venus Ishtar, who fell from heaven to the Euphrates.


    Ostara, Eostre
    Some experts claim that Easter was originally a celebration of Eostre, goddess of Spring and fertility, otherwise known as Ostara, Austra, and Eastre. This could explain the Easter bunny and possibly the Easter eggs.
    The egg represents Spring, fertility and renewal.

    According to Germanic mythology, Ostara healed a wounded bird she found in the woods by changing it into a hare. Still partially a bird, the hare showed its gratitude to the goddess by laying eggs as gifts.
    See the depiction of Ostara by Johannes Gehrts.



    What’s in a name?
    The name “Easter” could mean that it’s just another celebration for the witches (magi) from the “East”.

    Some say that “Easter” is a variation of the Babylonian name for Inanna – “Ishtar”.
    See he Babylonian Relief of the Goddess Ishtar.


    According to New Unger’s Bible Dictionary: “Easter” is of Saxon origin, derived from “Eostre” a.k.a. “Eastra”, in whose honour sacrifices were offered each year about Passover.

    In Germany it is called “Ostern”.

    Easter: in Bulgarian is called “Velikden” (Grand Day), in Polish “Wielkanoc” (Grand Night), in Czech “Velikonoce” (Grand Nights) and in Slovak “Velká Noc” (the Grand Night).

    In Serbian “Uskrs” or “Vaskrs” (resurrection) and in Japanese “Fukkatsu-sai” (resurrection festival).

    In many European languages the name for “Easter” is derived from the Greek word for the Hebrew Pesach (Passover) – “Pascha”.
    “Easter” is called “Pasqua” in Italian, “Pascua” in Spanish, “Paques” in French, and “Pasen” in Dutch: https://www.ancient-origins.net/myth...-easter-001571
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    Semiramis, Nimrod, and Easter

    I don’t believe that Moloch was the “God” to which humans were sacrificed, but that originally “Moloch” symbolised the human sacrifice ritual itself...

    About 2,275 years BC, Nimrod the great grandson of Noah lived (the grandson of Ham). According to scripture he was “the mighty hunter”; but Nimrod hunted for humans to sacrifice them in the Moloch ritual.
    According to the book of Jasher (Yashar), the priests of Ba’al counseled Nimrod to marry his own mother Semiramis; to acquire the “third eye” or “all-seeing eye of Lucifer”. Nimrod’s mother and wife, Semiramis, has been worshiped as “The Queen of Heaven” all over the world ever since.

    Semiramis and her son/husband, Nimrod started this occult religion that included sacrificing babies in the Moloch ritual. They sacrificed babies in the temple at the Winter Solstice (December 21st -25th) and also at “Easter ‘Sun’ Day” at the Spring or Vernal Equinox (March 21st -25th).
    Nimrod also had the Tower of Babel erected.

    Every year on 15 March and 25 December, there would be wild drunken orgies where virgins were impregnated by the pagan priests. From 25 March to 25 December counts 9 months, just in time to sacrifice the new-borns on the altar in the Moloch ritual on 25 December.
    When the son of Noah, Shem, heard about these human sacrifices, he sent out a bounty hunt to kill Nimrod. According to the book of Jasher (Yashar) it was Esau (the twin brother of Jacob) who actually killed Nimrod. Nimrod´s body was cut in pieces and scattered over the kingdom. Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for the penis that couldn´t be found and couldn´t resurrect him.
    Semiramis decided to memorialize his penis by erecting an “obelisk”. These obelisks can be found all over the world, for example in Washington DC on St. Peter’s Square in front of the Vatican and in the City of London.
    See for example the giant phallus symbol on the Dam in my home town of Amsterdam.


    The Babylonian story of Nimrod and Semiramis is basically identical to Osiris and Isis of Egypt, where Isis reconstructed Osiris’ body after it had been cut up into pieces by their evil brother Set (Satan), but couldn´t find his penis. Isis then had a son by Osiris named Horus.
    Semiramis consulted the pagan priests and astrologers who told her that the sun “dies” on 21 December but comes back to life again on the eve of 24 December. Semiramis created a myth for the Babylonians that Nimrod dies each year on 21 December but 3 days and 3 nights later, on 25 December, is “born-again” as the the Sun-god, Ba’al.
    Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal was present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, to be worshipped.

    Semiramis ordered the Babylonians to go into the groves (forest) and place a gift under the tree to honor Nimrod who was “cut down” like a tree (Isaiah 14:12-19). She also ordered them to cut down a tree, place it into their homes and decorate it with silver and gold balls to symbolize Nimrod’s testicles (Jeremiah 10:3-4).
    Semiramis also declared herself the goddess of the moon and sky and said that her son/husband Nimrod had impregnated her with the “rays of the sun” (on 25 March); so on 25 December (!) another son Tammuz is born (Ezekiel 8:14).

    I think that a strong case can be made that Christmas and Easter-Egg trees are really “Asherah Poles” for honouring Ba’al!
    Decorating these trees with little balls and coloured eggs, just like the ancient Babylonians, who set them up right next to their altars. Did you know that the little balls on these trees represent Nimrod’s testicles?
    According to Strong’s Concordance #H842 Asherah: groves (for idol worship); a Babylonian (Astarte)-Canaanite goddess (of fortune and happiness), the supposed consort of Baal, her images; the goddess, goddesses; her images; sacred trees or poles set up near an altar.

    The “bowed crucifix” is an allusion to Nimrod’s bow and it is meant to point to the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2.
    It is claimed that the name “Semiramis” was adopted into other cultures as: Isis, Diana, Astarte, Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus, Easter and also as the “Virgin Mary”.
    Her son and husband “Nimrod” (reincarnated as Tammuz) also became known as: Horus, Apollo, Sol, Krishna, Hercules, Mithra, amongst others.

    Before the city was called “Rome” it was known as Saturnalia (the city of Saturn). In the Chaldean mysteries, the Babylonian dictator Nimrod was deified as Saturn. His birthday was celebrated on 25 December, Saturnalia. In Chaldee, Saturn is spelled as “STUR” which totals 666.
    Semiramis was also called “Venus” in Rome, and had the day of the week “Venerdi” (Friday) named after her.

    Constantine simply recycled the pagan statues, naming them after “Christian” saints. The statues of the Neptune for example was renamed “Saint Peter”, the statue of Venus was re-named the “Virgin Mary” and the statue of Sol (Mithra) was renamed “Jesus Christ”.
    Roman Emperor Constantine also had depictions of the original “Queen of Heaven” Semiramis holding her baby son Tammuz renamed as “Mary and Baby Jesus”. Is Isis “Queen of Heaven” holding her baby Horus the origins of “Mary and Baby Jesus”?
    Note the horns on Isis’ head for the “horned god” Lucifer and the “disk” within the horns symbolising the sun.


    When Tammuz was forty years old, he was killed by a wild boar. His mother Semiramis started a Babylonian ritual called “Forty Days of Weeping for Tammuz” where people had to fast and pray. The Roman Catholic Church recycled this custom as 40 days of fasting leading up to Easter Sunday. Catholics begin these 40 days with “Ash Wednesday”.
    Like in ancient Babylon, priests (of Ba’al) take ashes and place the “mark” of the cross on the foreheads of the faithfull with a declaration that we were “created from ashes and to ashes we shall return”.

    The French made a colossus of Jezebel, it now stands in New York Harbor, facing “East”, referring to the name Ishtar or Easter, and is called the “Statue of Liberty”! The French Illuminati donated this statue to the US to bring it under the influence of Jezebel.
    The Babylonian name for Semiramis is “Ishtar” from which the “Easter” comes.
    The Romans first called her Astarte but later called Venus, and the Phoenicians called her Asherah. The Hebrews called her Astoroth, the consort of Ba’al. Her emblem is the flower of the lily. This explains why people buy lilies during Easter and women don corsages of lilies and orchids to church on Easter Sunday.
    See the Fleur de lys in the coat of arms of the House of Plantagenet.


    At the first Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, Roman Emperor Constantine formed the first “Ecumenical Council” of the Catholic Church. Later new creeds were drafted. One of them included:
    I accept all customs, rites, legalism, and feasts of the Romans, sacrifices. Prayers, purifications with water, sanctifications by Pontificus Maxmus (high priests of Rome), propitiations, and feasts, and the New Sabbath “Sol dei” (day of the Sun), all new chants and observances, and all the foods and drinks of the Romans (Pork and all unclean foods). In other words, I absolutely accept everything Roman, every new law, rite and custom, of Rome, and the New Roman Religion.
    Later, in approximately 365 AD, the Imperial Church of Rome wrote in one of their canons:
    Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day. Rather, honoring the Lord’s Day (Ba’al’s Day) which is “Sun-day” for Sol Invictus (the invincible sun). But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema (against) Christ.
    In Greek, the word “Catholic” means “universal”; this can only mean that it always intended for this religion to become the “One World Religion”.
    In June 2000, the New World Order named the Roman Catholic Church the “Mother” of the “One World Church” and Pope John Paul II was elected as the “leader” of the “United Religions”: http://doubleportioninheritance.blog...es-church.html
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    This might even convince some of the staunchest supporters of the “holy” church that the Bible isn’t God’s word, but merely the word of the church…


    Council of Nicaea – Constantine
    In about 321, Roman Emperor Constantine the Great was initiated into the order of Sol Invictus cult that regarded the Sun as the one and only Supreme God.
    After Constantine conquered the East in 324, he saw an opportunity to create a new and combined State religion, protected by law, and issued a decree commanding all presbyters and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public, and travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithynia in Asia Minor and take their texts to the rabble, "bound in leather" for protection during the long journey, and surrender them to Constantine upon arrival in Nicaea. Their writings totalled, "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviors, together with a record of the doctrines orated by them".

    Constantine instructed Eusebius to convene the first of 3 sittings of the Council of Nicaea on the summer solstice, 21 June 325, and it was "held in a hall in Osius's palace".
    The Council of Nicaea at first didn’t reach consensus on the new deity but instead narrowed it down to a shortlist of 5: Caesar; Krishna; Mithra; Horus; Zeus.
    Constantine ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus, be joined with the Hindu Saviour-god, Krishna (Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ). The name Hesus Krishna was accepted as the official name of the new Roman god, with a majority of 161 votes to 157. The name later evolved into "Jesus Christ".

    Constantine instructed Eusebius to organise the uniform collection from the more than 2000 religious scrolls submitted at the council. Eusebius effectively joined the orations of Eastern and Western presbyters "to form a new universal belief" and had the ”god" stories of Mithra and Krishna merged with British Culdean beliefs. In ca. 331 the "New Testimonies” are the first historical record of the New Testament. Constantine decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Saviour God" and official to all presbyters sermonizing in the Roman Empire.
    Constantine ordered earlier presbyterial manuscripts and the records of the council "burnt" and declared that "any man found concealing writings should be stricken off from his shoulders".

    When Eusebius assembled scribes to write the New Testimonies, he first produced a single document, which is now called the Gospel of Mark. The Church admits that the Gospel of Mark was "the first Gospel written" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.); today it appears second in the New Testament.

    According to Dr. Von Tischendorf and Professor Bordeaux, Vatican findings reveal that the allegory of Jesus Christ derived from the fable of Mithra, “the divine son of God”.

    The Second Council of Nicaea in 786-87 tried to annul "decisions passed by men with troubled brains" of the First Council of Nicaea and denounced it as, "a synod of fools and madmen".
    Dr. Richard Watson concluded that "the clergy at the Council of Nicaea were all under the power of the devil, and the convention was composed of the lowest rabble and patronized the vilest abominations".


    Church admits New Testament from 4th century
    Bizarrely the Catholic Church has admitted that the “authenticity” of the New Testament is dubious.
    See some quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.:
    Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted.

    (…) the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled [admits that the Gospels] do not go back to the first century of the Christian era.

    (…) the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD.

    (…) the conclusion of Mark is admittedly not genuine ... almost the entire section is a later compilation.

    Oldest Bible – Sinaiticus
    On 4 February 1859, Dr. Constantin von Tischendorf (1815-1874) discovered 346 leaves of an ancient codex at St Catherine's monastery at Mt Sinai, written in Greek on donkey skins, scheduled to be burned. Archaeologists have dated it at around the year 380.
    This is the oldest version of the Bible, containing both the Old and New Testaments, called the Codex Sinaiticus (Sinai Bible).


    The New Testament Sinaiticus contains 14,800 editorial alterations compared to a modern-day New Testament.
    The Sinaiticus begins with the Gospel of Mark, which was the "first" story on Jesus Christ in the New Testament. It starts with Jesus "at about the age of thirty" (Mark 1:9), and doesn't include Mary, a virgin birth or the mass murder of baby boys by Herod.
    In contrast to today's editions (Mark 1:1), Jesus Christ is not described as "the son of God", and the "messianic bloodline" isn’t traced back to King David.

    No supernatural resurrection of Jesus Christ is recorded in the ancient Gospels of Mark. Not only are those narratives missing from the Sinaiticus, but also from the Alexandrian Bible, the Vatican Bible, the Bezae Bible and an ancient Latin manuscript of Mark, code-named "K" by analysts. This is also absent from the oldest Armenian version of the New Testament, in sixth-century manuscripts in Ethiopic and ninth-century Anglo-Saxon Bibles.
    Some 12th-century Gospels include the now-taught resurrection verses.

    Maybe even more damaging, one could argue that the Sinaiticus simply missed some pages, is that there were 3 Gospels that have since been deleted: 1) the Shepherd of Hermas (written by resurrected ghosts Charinus and Lenthius); 2) the Missive of Barnabas; and 3) the Odes of Solomon.


    Evolving New Testament
    The original New Testimonies of Constantine were continually expanded during the following centuries, and "interpolations" were added or changed.

    The scribes of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke depended upon the Mark Gospel.
    The Gospel of John is independent of those writings, and was written later to support the earlier writings. The final chapter of the Gospel of John (21) is a sixth-century addition, entirely devoted to Jesus' resurrection.
    The Church admits in the Catholic Encyclopedia, and New Catholic Encyclopedia:
    The sole conclusion that can be deduced from this is that the 21st chapter was afterwards added and is therefore to be regarded as an appendix to the Gospel.
    Arguably the most important addition is that in 397 John "golden-mouthed" Chrysostom restructured the writings of Apollonius of Tyana, a first-century wandering sage, and included them in the “new” New Testimonies. The Latinized name for Apollonius is Paulus (who in English is then called Paul). Apollonius's personal attendant, the Assyrian scribe Damis, is Demis in the “new” New Testament.
    These days the “holy” Church calls those writings the Epistles of Paul.

    St Jerome (who died in 420) declared that the the fifth book of the New Testament, Acts of the Apostles, was also "falsely written".


    Vatican corrections – 1562, 1587
    In 1562, the Vatican established the censoring unit called Index Expurgatorius. Its purpose was to delete "erroneous passages of the early Church Fathers" that opposed “modern-day” doctrine. When Vatican archivists came across, "genuine copies of the Fathers, they corrected them according to the Expurgatory Index".
    In 1587, Pope Sixtus V (1585-90) established an official Vatican publishing division and explained "Church history will be now be established ... we shall seek to print our own account".

    Professor Edmond S. Bordeaux in “How The Great Pan Died” wrote:
    The Church ante-dated all her late works, some newly made, some revised and some counterfeited, which contained the final expression of her history ... her technique was to make it appear that much later works written by Church writers were composed a long time earlier, so that they might become evidence of the first, second or third centuries.
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/b...ianazar_40.htm
    (http://archive.is/V4IqA)


    The story of Jesus Christ's trial is highly suspicious. It is claimed, by the Romans, that the Roman Pontius Pilate was some sort of saint, who desperately tried to save Jesus but was coerced into obeying the demands of the Jews to execute Jesus.
    The whole notion that the Romans would give Jews the choice of freeing guilty criminals at Passover (or any other time of the year) is preposterous.

    The historical Pontius Pilate was a despot, who hated Jews and never delegated any authority to them.
    However, in Christian mythology, he is portrayed as a concerned ruler who distanced himself from the vile accusations against Jesus.

    According to the myth, Pilate gave the Jews the choice of freeing Jesus Christ or a murderer named Jesus Barabbas. The Jews allegedly enthusiastically chose “Jesus Barabbas”.
    How strange this story really is becomes clear is when you realize that "Barabbas" is the Greek form of the Aramaic "bar Abba", which means "son of the Father". Thus "Jesus Barabbas" originally meant "Jesus the son of the Father", which would mean Jesus Christ: http://www.humanreligions.info/jesus_hby.html
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    Maybe I’m just a horrible thoughtcriminal, but when I read something, I try to think for myself, and sometimes reach strange conclusions that not many people subscribe to.


    Cain – son of the “LORD”?
    Genesis 4:1-2:
    And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
    And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    I read here that Eve had gotten Cain “from the Lord”, which looks like she was inseminated by the “LORD”.

    Genesis 4:25:
    And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    Adam and Eve had another son after the slewn Abel – Seth (when Adam was 130 years old). This again seems to confirm that Cain wasn’t the son of Adam (and that Abel had been Adam’s only son before Seth)…

    Genesis 5:1-3:
    This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
    And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
    This looks to me like the most explicit reference in Genesis that Cain wasn’t the first son of Adam!


    Who was Cain afraid of?
    After Cain slew his (half)brother Abel, “the LORD” expels him from Eden and Cain replies…
    Genesis 4:14-15:
    Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
    And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
    Who was Cain afraid of when Adam and Eve and their children in Eden were the only humans on earth?!?


    Who was Cain’s wife?
    Then Cain went to Nod (east of Eden), and then...
    Genesis 4:16-17:
    And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
    And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
    I don’t read here that he took a wife with him, so conclude that she wasn’t the daughter of Eve, but he “found” her in (or on his way to) Nod…
    The official explanation is that she must have been his sister though, because Adam and Eve where the first (and until Cain) only humans on earth (some call her “Awan” or that she could also have been his niece).
    Or maybe Genesis 4:14 explains that many of the children of Adam and Eve had already left Eden?!?


    Who were Ishmael’s and Isaac’s father?
    God promises to give the elderly Abraham and Sarah a son – Isaac…
    Genesis 17:16-23
    And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
    Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
    And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
    And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

    And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
    But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
    And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
    And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
    Ishmael is Ahraham’s son from Sarah’s slave Hagar (when Abraham was 86).
    Genesis 20:9
    And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
    First they leave for Egypt and Abimelech took Sarah as his wife…
    Genesis 20:2-4
    And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
    But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
    But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
    And then Sarah bears a son – Isaac…
    Genesis 21:1-3
    And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken.
    For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.
    And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
    Would this be the son of the elderly Abraham, Abimelech (who did “not come near her”) or somebody else?

    And then comes one of the (in my opinion) most horrible things in the Bible, where God orders Abraham to sacrifice his “only son Isaac”…
    Genesis 22:1,2
    And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
    And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
    If Isaac was his “only son”, then who was Ishmael’s father?


    Creating earth, before the universe
    Genesis 1:11-19:
    And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    And the evening and the morning were the third day.
    And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
    And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
    And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
    And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
    And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
    I read here that on the second day, God created earth, with plants and “saw that it was good”. Then on the third day, God created the sun, moon and stars…
    Most Christians these days believe that the earth revolves around the sun in one year. This makes it strange (to say the least) that God would first create earth and then create the universe (including the sun)!


    Great wind or Spirit of God?
    I once posted on a Christian forum that the “Holy Spirit” doesn’t appear at all in the Tanach (Old Testament). I was told that it DOES appear...
    Genesis 1:2
    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    I disagree with this translation. Genesis 1 is about creating tangible things and think that the following translation is accurate:
    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Great Wind moved upon the face of the waters.
    The 2 Hebrew words that were translated as “Spirit of God” are:
    Rûach
    Elohim

    Ruwach (# 7306 & 7307 & 7308) translates:
    Wind
    “Strong” Breath
    Spirit (but only of sensible being).

    Elohim (# 430) translates:
    God
    Magistrates
    Angels
    Great
    Mighty.

    Elohim is derived from: El (# 410) – Strength, Mighty, Almighty, God
    El is derived from: Ayil (# 352) – Strength, Strong, Chief, Strong (tree), Mighty (man)

    Another possible translation is "breath of God", but I think "great wind" fits better in the context of Genesis.

    James Strong's “Greek and Hebrew dictionaries” (1890) describes how the Hebrew and Latin words were translated to English in the KJV Bible (the numbers above refer to the numbers used by Strong): https://archive.org/details/StrongsG...ctionaries1890
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Or maybe Eden was a breeding ground for genetic engineering projects by the "Lord".
    Let us make man in our image. Plural implies multiple Lords, no? "Elohim", as you reference below, were plural. Also curious how Lucifer and Jesus are both referred to as the son of the morning and the light...
    That’s another strange one…
    Genesis 1:26-27
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    I’ve posted on the Sumerian story of creation previously in this thread.

    My conclusion is that the story of creation from Genesis doesn’t contradict the Sumerian story in which the world and everything on it were created by amongst others Enki the son of Anu (God the Father), his mother Namma, Ninma (Enki’s sister?) and Enlil (Enki’s brother)…
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