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    California’s $64 Billion Bullet Train To Nowhere Gets Delayed … Again

    (From IBD)

    That news came from a contract revision that the Obama administration approved late last week. Instead of finishing the first leg of what is supposed to be a High-Speed Rail service from San Francisco to San Diego by 2018, the new deadline is 2022, which will be seven years after the January 2015 groundbreaking.

    Even when completed, the first leg will only run from Madera (population 63,105) down to Shafter, a small town north of Bakersfield. Not exactly a heavy transportation corridor.

    That stretch, by the way, was picked because it was deemed the most “shovel ready” when the Obama administration was passing out stimulus funds. But even now, the state’s High Speed Rail Authority hasn’t put down any tracks, and has bought up less than half the land it needs in the Central Valley, according to Politico.


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    The Boondoggle Express.

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    If it's going through Bakersfield, it isn't going to directly serve San Francisco at all, unless they convert the Bay Bridge and the BART system to accommodate it. It'll terminate in Oakland or Richmond.

    South of Bakersfield, this will hardly be a high speed run, because that stretch goes straight up to Tehachapi. This run has a railroad on it. It was built by the Southern Pacific, which is now part of the Union Pacific. And the Santa Fe, now the BNSF, has trackage rights on it. It's the busiest stretch of single track railroad in the whole world, and the wealth of the world travels on it. It's steep and winding, and its right of way is often barely wider than the trains that use it.

    How are they going to build another, different type of line through there without interfering in the extensive business of those two railroads? Why would they, considering no train could possibly traverse the stretch quickly? Why didn't they go down the coast instead? Are they crazy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    If it's going through Bakersfield, it isn't going to directly serve San Francisco at all, unless they convert the Bay Bridge and the BART system to accommodate it. It'll terminate in Oakland or Richmond.

    South of Bakersfield, this will hardly be a high speed run, because that stretch goes straight up to Tehachapi. This run has a railroad on it. It was built by the Southern Pacific, which is now part of the Union Pacific. And the Santa Fe, now the BNSF, has trackage rights on it. It's the busiest stretch of single track railroad in the whole world, and the wealth of the world travels on it. It's steep and winding, and its right of way is often barely wider than the trains that use it.

    How are they going to build another, different type of line through there without interfering in the extensive business of those two railroads? Why would they, considering no train could possibly traverse the stretch quickly? Why didn't they go down the coast instead? Are they crazy?
    Is that purely a rhetorical question?

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    DAMN! No wonder they want a bullet train. They're building about as far around the long way as they possibly can without invading Nevada! But it won't do them any good, because they cross ever major mountain range in the state except the Sierra-Nevadas. Not even Bullet Trains can do the curves and grades of mountain trackage quickly.

    Los Angeles to Diego via Berdoo? Are they going to outlaw the existing San Diegan just to keep it from embarrassing their Bullet Train by getting there sooner the old fashioned way--by going the right direction?

    Thank you for answering my question. These people are crazy.
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    Liberals love trains. It's a symptom of the disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    DAMN! No wonder they want a bullet train. They're building about as far around the long way as they possibly can without invading Nevada! But it won't do them any good, because they cross ever major mountain range in the state except the Sierra-Nevadas. Not even Bullet Trains can do the curves and grades of mountain trackage quickly.

    Los Angeles to Diego via Berdoo? Are they going to outlaw the existing San Diegan just to keep it from embarrassing their Bullet Train by getting there sooner the old fashioned way--by going the right direction?

    Thank you for answering my question. These people are crazy.



    I would have to agree wholeheartedly, besides, I've been there, who in the hell wants to go to Bakersfield or Madera if they don't have to? esp. when you could have much better scenery on the shorter route.

    PS. now I also know why it is costing billions and billions to build as well, it isn't cheap to grade through multiple mountains.
    Last edited by libertyjam; 05-25-2016 at 04:27 PM.



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    Wouldn't it be cheaper to just let everybody fly for free between LAX and SFO/SJC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post


    I would have to agree wholeheartedly, besides, I've been there, who in the hell wants to go to Bakersfield or Madera if they don't have to? esp. when you could have much better scenery on the shorter route.

    PS. now I also know why it is costing billions and billions to build as well, it isn't cheap to grade through multiple mountains.
    Definitely. First they go down the peninsula, then they cut right across a mountain range that no private railroad was ever stupid enough to try to conquer. This lands them in the San Joaquin Valley, which is a box canyon, so they have to squeeze in amongst the SP line over Tehachapi, so they cut back west to LA, then go due east. And both times they abandon that Pacific Ocean scenery which made the Coast Daylight and the San Diegan popular tourist attractions back in the day.

    Boondoggle is right.

    You can't even call that the Mark of Zorro line, because it forms a double Z. Maybe they'll have ZZ Top play at the ribbon cutting. Except those old men will be long dead by then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Wouldn't it be cheaper to just let everybody fly for free between LAX and SFO/SJC?

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    Guess Bakersfield must be gonna be the new hotspot , LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Guess Bakersfield must be gonna be the new hotspot , LOL
    Stealing from the long time title holder, Needles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Liberals love trains. It's a symptom of the disease.
    Yep. Voters approved it. Majority rules, just like when lemmings all agree to run off a cliff together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IIRC, it was his choice.

    Did he give a reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IIRC, it was his choice.
    not sure about that - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-beyond-repute

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    ^ that thread just sounded like a bitchfest
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    I bet they use a tunnel boring machine and just tunnel through. Who cares if the cost goes to a trillion.

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    LOL

    They're going to settle for a 10.6 billion dollar high speed run from Bakersfield up to Merced.

    That's hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Did he give a reason?
    Best I can remember he told me he was getting in trouble because of his religious posts about Paul. Apparently, people found them offensive and there was some drama. That's what he told me but there are two sides to every story so there ya go..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
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    There are two Californians Vowing to patronize the rail already ,
    a cotton farmer and a Hay broker,
    they have committed themselves to using the rail at least 9 times per year,
    provided the growing season and markets are favorable.
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