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    Paul ties release of 9/11 docs to defense bill

    Paul ties release of 9/11 docs to defense bill

    By Jordain Carney
    May 24, 2016, 06:42 pm

    Sen. Rand Paul wants to use a defense policy bill to force the Senate to wade into a larger fight over declassifying 28 pages from a 2002 review of the 9/11 terror attacks.

    The Kentucky Republican has filed an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to force the public release of the 28 secret pages, which could shed light on connections between the Saudi government and al qaeda.

    ...

    Paul's amendment would require that the pages be released within 60 days of the NDAA being signed into law, something that isn't expected until this fall.

    His amendment would allow Obama to keep secret any names or "identifying information" if the release would create "imminent lawless action or compromise presently ongoing national security operations."
    read more:
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...o-defense-bill
    Last edited by jct74; 05-25-2016 at 10:48 PM.



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    This reminds me why I fell in love with him (except for that time he ran for President)
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    Excellent work.

    Will throw a few dollars at his Senate campaign just for that

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    Yea Rand!
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    I suspect that the 28 Pages is just the tip of the iceberg. Saudi Arbian newspapers are already on the offensive explicitly stating that the USG planned and executed 9/11.

    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9202.htm
    "Those who follow American policy see that it is built upon the principle of advance planning and future probabilities. This is because it occasionally presents a certain topic to a country that it does not wish [to bring up] at that time but [that it is] reserving in its archives as an ace to play [at a later date] in order to pressure that country. Anyone revisiting... [statements by] George H.W. Bush regarding Operation Desert Storm might find that he acknowledged that the U.S. Army could have invaded Iraq in the 1990s, but that [the Americans] had preferred to keep Saddam Hussein around as a bargaining chip for [use against] other Gulf states. However, once the Shi'ite wave began to advance, the Americans wanted to get rid of Saddam Hussein, since they no longer saw him as an ace up their sleeve.

    "September 11 is one of winning cards in the American archives, because all the wise people in the world who are experts on American policy and who analyze the images and the videos [of 9/11] agree unanimously that what happened in the [Twin] Towers was a purely American action, planned and carried out within the U.S. Proof of this is the sequence of continuous explosions that dramatically ripped through both buildings... Expert structural engineers demolished them with explosives, while the planes crashing [into them] only gave the green light for the detonation – they were not the reason for the collapse. But the U.S. still spreads blame in all directions. [This policy] can be dubbed 'victory by means of archives.'

    "On September 11, the U.S. attained several victories at the same time, that [even] the hawks [who were at that time] in the White House could not have imagined. Some of them can be enumerated as follows:

    "1. The U.S. created, in public opinion, an obscure enemy – terrorism – which became what American presidents blamed for all their mistakes, and also became the sole motivation for any dirty operation that American politicians and military figures desire to carry out in any country. [The] terrorism [label] was applied to Muslims, and specifically to Saudi Arabia.

    "2. Utilizing this incident [9/11], the U.S. launched a new age of global armament. Everyone wanted to acquire all kinds of weapons to defend themselves and at the same time battle the obscure enemy, terrorism – [even though] up to this very moment we do not know the essence of this terrorism of which the U.S. speaks, except [to say that] that it is Islamic...

    "3. The U.S. made the American people choose from two bad options: either live peacefully [but] remain exposed to the danger of death [by terrorism] at any moment, or starve in safety, because [the country's budget will be spent on sending] the Marines even as far as Mars to defend you.

    "Lo and behold, today, we see these archives revealed before us: A New York court accuses the Iranian regime of responsibility for 9/11, and we [also] see a bill [in Congress] accusing Saudi Arabia of being behind it [sic]. This is after the previous Iraqi regime was accused of being behind it. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were also blamed for it, and we do not know who [will be blamed] tomorrow! But [whoever it is], we will not be surprised at all, since this is the essence of how the American archives, that are civilized and respect freedoms and democracy, operate.

    "The nature of the U.S. is that it cannot exist without an enemy... [For example,] after a period during which it did not fight anyone [i.e. following World War II], the U.S. created a new kind of war – the Cold War... Then, when the Soviet era ended, after we Muslims helped the religions and fought Communism on their [the Americans'] behalf, they began to see Muslims as their new enemy! The U.S. saw a need for creating a new enemy – and planned, organized, and carried this out [i.e. blamed Muslims for terrorism]. This will never end until it [the U.S.] accomplishes the goals it has set for itself.

    "So why not let these achievements be credited to the American administration, while insurance companies pay for the damages, whether domestic or foreign? This, my dear Arab and Muslim, is the policy of the American archives."
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    Quote Originally Posted by groverblue View Post
    I suspect that the 28 Pages is just the tip of the iceberg. Saudi Arbian newspapers are already on the offensive explicitly stating that the USG planned and executed 9/11.

    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9202.htm
    You talking about Saudi-Arabian newspapers, I don't read any but, since when do the Saudi's have freedom of the press ? If it's written in a newspaper down there, it's government opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    You talking about Saudi-Arabian newspapers, I don't read any but, since when do the Saudi's have freedom of the press ? If it's written in a newspaper down there, it's government opinion.
    Same here, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Same here, my friend.
    Please don't go there to find out for yourself. There's a difference.
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    Rand Paul... A chip off the ole' block...
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Please don't go there to find out for yourself. There's a difference.
    No intention of that- trust me.
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    So thankful to have Rand in DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groverblue View Post
    I suspect that the 28 Pages is just the tip of the iceberg. Saudi Arbian newspapers are already on the offensive explicitly stating that the USG planned and executed 9/11.

    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9202.htm
    Here is a detailed article I wrote that examines in detail the exact people who were actually charged with 9/11 crimes and the evidence against them:

    KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked

    Don’t believe the charges until you’ve read the charge sheet


    By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett

    December 9, 2009


    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) and five co-defendants have been charged with conspiracy and related charges. Their trial, recently announced by president Barack Obama, will be held in federal court next year in New York. KSM has been labeled the “mastermind” behind the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and Obama has already declared him guilty. This article will analyze those conspiracy charges.

    Conspiracy charges are very common in federal court, especially in the racist war on drugs, because it is easier to obtain convictions by positing a "conspiracy" than by proving defendants guilty of an actual crime. Now the federal government is using conspiracy charges in the racist war on terror.

    Charging someone with "conspiracy" amounts to accusing that person of thoughtcrime. If a person imagines committing a crime, and discusses their thoughts with a second person who then mentions it to a third, all three people are vulnerable to conspiracy charges. This may be the case even when the first person is a government agent! A classic example is the case of the Liberty City 7, a hapless group of impoverished pot-smokers who, after being handed $50,000 by two undercover FBI agents, obligingly fantasized about blowing up the Sears Tower. In addition to indulging in pot-fueled verbal fantasies, these defendants supposedly committed one "overt act": they bought boots. The feds had to stage three show trials before they finally got a conviction, making a mockery of the Constitution's guarantee, "nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb." The case of the Liberty City 7, and countless similar conspiracy cases in the federal courts, suggest that the world's leading wild-eyed conspiracy theorists are federal prosecutors.

    The charge sheet against KSM and his co-defendants lists alleged overt acts, numbered 1 to 169, which the government claims furthered the 9/11 conspiracy. For the government to win the case, they need to convince the jury that each defendant committed at least one overt act that furthered the alleged conspiracy. A quick perusal of the charge sheet, however, shows no evident connection between the vast majority of these overt acts and any alleged conspiracy to commit mass murder.

    But to be cleared of all 169 overt acts, the defendants' best strategy may be to force the government to prove that the posited "Osama and 19 hijackers" conspiracy actually took place. Hundreds of expert witnesses (many listed here) are available to prove that it did not. Evidence that the 19 alleged hijackers were framed, discussed in Jay Kolar's scholarly article "What We Now Know About the Alleged 9/11 Hijackers" and in the works of David Ray Griffin, suggests that the current defendants may also have been framed. Intelligence agencies and associated criminal networks routinely frame patsies to take the blame for terrorist acts, assassinations, and similar crimes (Webster Tarpley, 9/11 Synthetic Terror).

    The list of 169 alleged overt acts attempts to paint a negative picture of each defendant. No mention is made of any positive attributes. The list does not mention their occupations, marital status, whether they have children or family, hobbies, or what schools they attended. By leaving these items out, the government makes it easier to picture these accused men committing a heinous crime.

    We have analyzed the specific overt acts attributed to KSM and his five co-defendants in great detail. The government has taken a few people who may have known some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers and/or had a business or personal relationship with a few of them, and constructed a giant conspiracy theory.

    KSM and the other men on trial are scapegoats, like the victims of Stalin's show trials and the Inquisition's witch trials. Apparently the most important evidence will come from alleged confessions extracted from men tortured and held for years in solitary confinement at the Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo) prison. It is critically important that the defense should point out, over and over, that the torture techniques applied to these defendants were developed specifically to elict false confessions, and that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has clearly stated that he "made up stories," i.e. gave false confessions under torture.

    The Charge Sheet begins by listing the alleged aliases of the six accused men.

    http://home.comcast.net/%7Egold9472/...hargesheet.pdf

    While reading this, please think like the jury and presume the defendants innocent. All defendants are presumed innocent unless proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    In conspiracy trials, the government counts on finding jurors who will presume the defendants are guilty because they would not be on trial unless they did something wrong. That kind of thinking wins a lot of false convictions for the government in federal court.

    From page one of the charge sheet:
    MORE:

    http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles...piracy-charges

    Not long after this article was published, Obama moved the 9/11 trials out of federal court and back into military court (where rules of evidence is easier), and the charges against Kahtani were dropped.
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    This is a very smart and courageous move on the part of Rand Paul. I hope the pages are released. They should've been released years ago.

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    Rand tried the same thing last year too. From June, 2015: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...-arabia-118541

    Paul acknowledged that he also has the ability as a senator to read the classified documents into the congressional record on the Senate floor, a technique that former Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) threatened to use in December to force the release of the executive summary of an internal report on CIA interrogation techniques. But Paul indicated he is not currently entertaining that as an option.

    “We’re going to try the normal legislative procedure first and see how it goes. But I will bring it up with the president and ask him directly to do this,” Paul said.
    Still not considering this other option.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-25-2016 at 01:42 PM.



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    Strikes me as creating a reason for the Saudis to dump their dollar holdings, as they threatened to do if the authorization to release the documents were passed.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Strikes me as creating a reason for the Saudis to dump their dollar holdings, as they threatened to do if the authorization to release the documents were passed.
    That was not over the documents. That was over allowing people to sue foreign countries over 9/11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That was not over the documents. That was over allowing people to sue foreign countries over 9/11.
    Yeah, you're right, not related at all. I confused one 9/11 snafu for another 9/11 snafu. End result will be the same. 28 pages revealed, suits commence, Saudis dump dollar assets thus killing petrodollar peg.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yeah, you're right, not related at all. I confused one 9/11 snafu for another 9/11 snafu. End result will be the same. 28 pages revealed, suits commence, Saudis dump dollar assets thus killing petrodollar peg.

    Al-Shammari claims the recent U.S. threats to “expose” documents implicating the Saudi government are simply the continuation of a U.S. policy, which he refers to as “victory by means of archive.” He highlights that during the initial invasion of Iraq, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein was left alive and in power to be used as “a bargaining chip,” but upon deciding that he was “no longer an ace up their sleeve” Washington moved to topple his government and install a U.S.-backed ruling party.
    The terrorist attacks of 9/11 are now the “ace up the sleeve” of the U.S. government, according to al-Shammari.


    “September 11 is one of winning cards in the American archives, because all the wise people in the world who are experts on American policy and who analyze the images and the videos [of 9/11] agree unanimously that what happened in the [Twin] Towers was a purely American action, planned and carried out within the U.S. Proof of this is the sequence of continuous explosions that dramatically ripped through both buildings… Expert structural engineers demolished them with explosives, while the planes crashing [into them] only gave the green light for the detonation – they were not the reason for the collapse. But the U.S. still spreads blame in all directions. [This policy] can be dubbed ‘victory by means of archives.”

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sau...orist-attacks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    You talking about Saudi-Arabian newspapers, I don't read any but, since when do the Saudi's have freedom of the press ? If it's written in a newspaper down there, it's government opinion.
    Two things. First, the newspaper quoted is a London-based paper. Second, name one mainstream news outlet, from any nation, that isn't influenced/controlled by their government.
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    Come on, everyone that has studied 9/11 at all knows it wasn't only Saudis or only Americans or only Israelis. It was formulated and carried out by them all working together. CIA, Mossad, Saudi GID, and probably others. Saudi royals and Israeli leaders are much closer aligned (both genetically and politically) than most people realize and of course American PTB are buddy-buddy with both. So if Saudis are saying "US did it", US is saying "Saudis did it" (though neither point to Israel....funny that) then there's something bigger going on and this is a manufactured cover for something else. That something else is ending the petrodollar peg imo.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Come on, everyone that has studied 9/11 at all knows it wasn't only Saudis or only Americans or only Israelis. It was formulated and carried out by them all working together. CIA, Mossad, Saudi GID, and probably others. Saudi royals and Israeli leaders are much closer aligned (both genetically and politically) than most people realize and of course American PTB are buddy-buddy with both. So if Saudis are saying "US did it", US is saying "Saudis did it" (though neither point to Israel....funny that) then there's something bigger going on and this is a manufactured cover for something else. That something else is ending the petrodollar peg imo.
    I was thinking that this has something to do with petro/frackdollars. There is more competition then ever when it comes to oil production, and one major producer is already taking a dive, while US companies are going bankrupt every day. Too many cooks.

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    Match struck.
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