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I'm not convinced. Ron Paul was all but the walking talking embodiment of the Constitution in 2008 and 2012, and Petersen HATED him. In my experience people who do that are usually all talk and no walk. They like to talk about Constitutional government but hated Ron Paul because they knew he would actually DO it.
have you read petersen's platform?
http://austinpetersen2016.com/
The petty differences between petersen, johnson, mcafee, ron, rand, amash, and massie are not worth fighting over. I'd buy every one of them a beer and the juiciest steak on the menu.
omg he disagreed with ron on minutia of libertarian philosophy! who really cares?
If one of "us" here at RPF was running for potus... (and I don't care if its @LibertyEagle) I'd support their campaign.
Johnson, like Petersen is searching for the truth; they're looking for free market solutions; they're looking to walk the razor's edge of principle to disengage the government. Hillary, Trump, Bernie... they're looking for big government solutions; programs and power... whatever it may cost.
Does the candidate have an inherent desire to get the government the $#@! out of our lives?
Johnson passes
Petersen passes
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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Or was it the newsletters? We lost more than a few over that issue.
Since I seem to have the right guy, he traveled to NH to help out before that primary vote. He was all in.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Petersen is one of ours, he should ruled in support of the forum mission and a supported candidate. You can debate about Gary, but I think he is ok and can be supported, I won't.
LE I like you a lot better in this section of the forums.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
Johnson thinks his anti-Liberty vice presidential pick is the "Original Libertarian" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNqS890yXh0
More on Bill Weld: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...liberty-record
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Johnson's spending practices (from http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ames-Spiller):
Sorry it took me so long to respond, LE. We've had a family reunion this week centered around my place and aside from occasional quips I haven't had much time to read thoroughly or respond properly.
If I had to grade on these issues I suppose it would be as follows.
Abortion: Many in the liberty movement are divided on the issue. I've become pro-life due to Dr. Paul's beliefs regarding it. Still, other's see it as a personal choice. There are many which seek a middle ground. Therefore, it is hard to grade as either a A or an F as either side would call for the opposite. So, I suppose his stance would be graded as a "C".
Gay marriage: It seems that this is an equally divided issue. So, "C."
Immigration: Same as above: "C"
Foreign policy: Given his "humanitarian" remarks, the fact that he doesn't care to shut down bases or discountinue drone strikes, but that he has opposed the foriegn policy of the Bush and Obama admin. again I'd place him as a "C."
I really hope we do not nominate him......
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
I agree except on foreign policy I would give him at least a B. Humanitarian wars have been the least of our concern, Gary Johnson wants to end the war on terror and when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast he talked about foreign policy for probably about a half hour and I didn't hear him say anything that Ron Paul wouldn't say. He's not perfect, but I'd probably give him a B+ on foreign policy.
Overall I would give him a B-
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
First, if I recall, he was also running while Ron Paul was running. I was a little pissed at him at the time for that, I would never compete against Ron Paul for office. I think others were a bit upset about that as well.
I probably would have been willing to consider him, but he wasn't perceived as being able to win or do very well at all, but now he is at 10% in the polls and he has a great shot at picking up Sanders supporters, disaffected Republicans and libertarians.
He's right on the economy, and he is pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, wants to end our foreign empire and the war on drugs and so he has a lot in common with the left. But he also is good on economics, so he can attract anti-authoritarian people on the right who won't be able to hold their nose for Trump.
It's really could be the perfect storm for Gary Johnson right now - not McAfee, I actually like McAfee more than Gary Johnson especially on policy but he just won't be taken seriously.. and he won't be able to attract many people on the left, and there are many who can't stand Hillary.
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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Johnson picking a top-level CFR member as his VP is the cherry on the top. Weld not only participated in the CFR Task Force to create a North American Union, he CHAIRED it.
Johnson should not be considered a liberty candidate and threads about him should not be in the forum bearing that name.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Bump to complete evaluation.
I also expanded this to include the entire ticket.
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Gary Johnson holds the same position as Ron Paul on abortion from an executive perspective - he believes it should be up to the states.
He has by far the best foreign policy of any of the other candidates, even much better than Donald Trump who you support. He is for scaling back the military immensely, I've heard he wants to cut it by 43%.
Why would he take drone strikes off the table? Rand only took drone strikes off the table for American citizens not actively engaged in combat, he certainly didn't take drone strikes off the table - Ron Paul would probably use drone strikes in the right situation, if congress declared war and it was the most effective means of neutralizing the enemy.
I think this is highly unlikely, do you have any sources? He said he might want to keep some US bases in Afghanistan, even if we end the conflict. That does not equal "does not want to close ANY military bases". And that's not a deal breaker when he wants to cut military by 43% and massively curtailing our overseas empire.
Except that effectively he would reduce the number of immigrants by taking away their benefits... that would be much more effective, and more clean and moral than Trump's solution.
I would ding Johnson on the Weld pick from a liberty perspective, but from a strategic perspective he may be a good pick. I don't expect Johnson to win, but I would like him to take away as many votes from Hillary as possible, I want more people to look into libertarianism and be able to get libertarians into political power in the future.
Gary Johnson believes in liberty at least 90% of the time, which is better than Trump who is probably at around 60% and Hillary who is probably at around 20-30% of the time.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Johnson is a solid B-, weld is an F, this puts the ticket in D territory. I'm a bit of a pessimist about these things but I think if we were able to shine some light on the ticket and its motivations it would be an F. I just do not trust people that compromise to win popularity contests.
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