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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Moose heart , Buffalo tongue , Dove hearts etc , all pretty tasty
    So you think that was a significant part of their diet? (heart and tongue are relatively low fat).

    (I still haven't been able to locate the original opinion piece to see what it actually says- anybody else find it?)
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-23-2016 at 11:44 PM.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you think that was a significant part of their diet? (heart and tongue are relatively low fat).

    (I still haven't been able to locate the original opinion piece to see what it actually says- anybody else find it?)
    Tongue is high in saturated fat, heart is high in nutrients. Then you also have the liver, kidneys, brain, eyeballs, cheek, and fatty parts all went first. Sometimes lean muscle meat was discarded if there was a lack of scarcity.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Professor Tom Sanders, of King's College London, said: 'The claim that eating fat doesn't make you fat is absurd. If you eat a lot of fat, you will get fat.'
    Bull$#@!. I eat a high fat diet and I'm not fat. I also adjust my caloric/macronutrient intake according to my activity level. If your claim were true, the Russians would be obese on average-their diet, on average, is very fatty. However, Russians are known for being thin.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Will they be pairing Franzia with Bolonga and Velveeta on a Ritz?
    Probably not, this is a fancy event. I have to be on my best behavior. BTW, I don't but baloney and Velveeta on Ritz. I put garlic cream cheese and olives on Chicken in a Biscit crackers - when I'm dieting, I just lick the crackers. I lick Doritos when I'm dieting, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Probably not, this is a fancy event. I have to be on my best behavior. BTW, I don't but baloney and Velveeta on Ritz. I put garlic cream cheese and olives on Chicken in a Biscit crackers - when I'm dieting, I just lick the crackers. I lick Doritos when I'm dieting, too.
    Rofl! yep.. that's funny

    *enter the conspiracy theorist*
    The whole low fat high carb diet was designed to lessen brain development - create more people that cannot think logically, thin the population by disease and sell poisonous alleged food products, fattening big ag's coffers - which explains why so many people are enamored with Bernie... no need to work, I'll just give you free stuff, Sanders - the Saturday morning cartoons with fruit loops generation.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Probably not, this is a fancy event. I have to be on my best behavior.
    You'll have to share the wine list...

    ...when I'm dieting, I just lick the crackers. I lick Doritos when I'm dieting, too.
    A friend has an autistic child who does that too. He's not wasteful though, and puts everything back when he's had his share. It's not so bad, as he likes the lesser used or desirable parts. Everyone else gets low sodium chips and crackers. He eats the rind off of watermelon and cantaloupe, and likes to suck the center out of tomatoes. It's a pretty good diet, high in fiber, except he usually washes it down with coffee creamer (flavored hydrogenated oil).
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    when I'm dieting, I just lick the crackers. I lick Doritos when I'm dieting, too.
    You need to do something about your disordered way of eating.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    *enter the conspiracy theorist*
    The whole low fat high carb diet was designed to lessen brain development
    Kind of an ironic theory since the average American diet causes the highest rates of stroke which really lessens brain development!

  11. #39
    Here's where the confusion lies. There's been two types of low fat diets that have been recommended. One by high-profile mainstream groups and the other by not-as-well-known groups.

    The bad low fat diet is the one that mentioned in the article:

    Professor Iain Broom, from Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen, said in agreement: 'The continuation of a food policy recommending high carbohydrate, low fat, low calorie intakes as 'healthy eating' is fatally flawed.
    This is the one recommended by mainstream groups:

    Our Meal Planning Guidelines:

    1550-1650 calories per day

    - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/mfa-recipes/....vQdQP04V.dpuf
    The fatal flaw in this low fat version diet is not because it's high in carbs, or low in fat. It's because it's too low in calories.

    A healthy low fat diet does not recommend restricting calories.
    Last edited by farreri; 05-24-2016 at 12:06 PM.

  12. #40
    Cutting calories too much makes your body think there may be a famine so it slows your metabolism and tries to store more fat to get through it.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You'll have to share the wine list...
    Probably a bunch of hoity toity stuff that come in a bottle with a cork that I can't pronounce, mush less spell.


    A friend has an autistic child who does that too. He's not wasteful though, and puts everything back when he's had his share. It's not so bad, as he likes the lesser used or desirable parts. Everyone else gets low sodium chips and crackers. He eats the rind off of watermelon and cantaloupe, and likes to suck the center out of tomatoes. It's a pretty good diet, high in fiber, except he usually washes it down with coffee creamer (flavored hydrogenated oil).
    When I was pregnant, I scraped the middle out of Oreos and put the cookies back for Mr Animal. He didn't appreciate it but I'm not wasteful either so I started crumbling them up on his ice cream.

    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    You need to do something about your disordered way of eating.
    I'm also a shameless double dipper.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Cutting calories too much makes your body think there may be a famine so it slows your metabolism and tries to store more fat to get through it.
    This is true^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    You need to do something about your disordered way of eating.
    I just thought of a question...Are Chicken in a Biskit crackers vegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Kind of an ironic theory since the average American diet causes the highest rates of stroke which really lessens brain development!
    That because most people are told by the guys in white coats that their cholesterol is too high and to take a statin to lower it. The cholesterol is what your brain needs, if you do not have it, it will shrink--stroke, dementia and Alzheimers.

    Those doctors and hospital doors become revolving because of the low fat/no fat diets people have been told is good for them.

    But we have discussed this many time, with you dismissing it--which I am sure you will do again.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Bull$#@!. I eat a high fat diet and I'm not fat. I also adjust my caloric/macronutrient intake according to my activity level. If your claim were true, the Russians would be obese on average-their diet, on average, is very fatty. However, Russians are known for being thin.
    Even the veggies I eat most are high fat content. Have you ever had yogurt made with real cream? OMG it is good. I eat real butter(unsalted) lots of olive oil and other nut oils and plain nuts. I won't buy anything that is naturally high in fat that is called "low fat" and I for sure won't eat it.

    I have weighed 117 since day after the birth of my child yea even one day after giving birth I could wear my skinny jeans. I did not cut back on fat then either. The only thing that makes me gain weight is alcohol.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    The only thing that makes me gain weight is alcohol.
    Yep. You can eat or drink but ya can't do both or you'll definitely put on the weight. I've noticed overindulging in dairy will fatten me up, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I just thought of a question...Are Chicken in a Biskit crackers vegan?

    Well no, but that's not what makes these crackers bad. It's loaded with fat.

    Ingredients: Enriched Flour, Soybean Oil And/Or Palm Oil, Sugar, Salt, Dextrose, Monoglycerides, Monosodium Glutamate (Flavor Enhancer), Baking Soda, Onion Powder, Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier), Natural Flavor, Dehydrated Cooked Chicken, Cornstarch.

    Amount Per Serving
    Total Fat 8 G
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nabisco-Fl...12-oz/10292637


    These crackers make a great weight-gaining food.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Russians are known for being thin.
    Wouldn't have anything to do with their socialist food rationing?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    That because most people are told by the guys in white coats that their cholesterol is too high and to take a statin to lower it. The cholesterol is what your brain needs, if you do not have it, it will shrink--stroke, dementia and Alzheimers.

    Those doctors and hospital doors become revolving because of the low fat/no fat diets people have been told is good for them.

    But we have discussed this many time, with you dismissing it--which I am sure you will do again.
    No, it's your ignoring that strokes have been high in this country even before statins and Eskimos on their traditional high "good" fat diet had higher rates of stroke than other groups. Too much saturated food harms endo cells which leads to heart disease and stroke.

    There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post


    These crackers make a great weight-gaining food.
    That's why I just lick them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    Even the veggies I eat most are high fat content. Have you ever had yogurt made with real cream? OMG it is good. I eat real butter(unsalted) lots of olive oil and other nut oils and plain nuts. I won't buy anything that is naturally high in fat that is called "low fat" and I for sure won't eat it.

    I have weighed 117 since day after the birth of my child yea even one day after giving birth I could wear my skinny jeans. I did not cut back on fat then either. The only thing that makes me gain weight is alcohol.
    Nuts and oils have good fats (less saturated). Those are good for you. You must have a fairly high metabolism (I used to- things have slowed down lately- started in mid 30's).

    If you like a full fat yogurt- check these out. Best I have ever had. http://www.noosayoghurt.com/



    Kinda pricey though. The grocery store near me sells them for about $2.00- when on sale. Really creamy. In Colorado (where they are made) I saw them for about $1.50.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-25-2016 at 12:46 AM.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    No, it's your ignoring that strokes have been high in this country even before statins and Eskimos on their traditional high "good" fat diet had higher rates of stroke than other groups. Too much saturated food harms endo cells which leads to heart disease and stroke.
    And again, dismissing it by pointing to Eskimos. Well, it doesn't seem like Eskimos are as unhealthy as you make them out to be.

    The Inuit Paradox – High Protein & Fat, No Fruits/Vegetables and yet Lower Heart Disease and Cancer

    Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them. Below you will find several resources and reading materials on them (to keep you busy while I do my taxes for the next couple days!). But here are the highlights:

    The Inuit traditional diet offers natural protection against two of the planet’s biggest killers — heart disease and cancer

    Dewailly says the traditional Inuit diet is high in selenium, common to whale skin, and likely explains why prostate cancer is almost unheard of in the north, as are most other cancers. Cardiovascular disease is also rare, likely because the Inuit diet remains rich in wild game. “The traditional Inuit diet is fats and proteins, no sugar at all,” says Dewailly. “It is probably one of the healthiest diets you can have. The human body is built for that.”

    Read more: http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...se-and-cancer/




    There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat.
    The thing is (as has been discussed many times before), our bodies need cholesterol to function properly. Statins are a scam an only cause more problems, as I stated above.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    No, it's your ignoring that strokes have been high in this country even before statins and Eskimos on their traditional high "good" fat diet had higher rates of stroke than other groups. Too much saturated food harms endo cells which leads to heart disease and stroke.

    There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat.
    Sorry, macronutrients simply don't work that way. Please take a nutrition science class or at least read a basic book about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    And again, dismissing it by pointing to Eskimos. Well, it doesn't seem like Eskimos are as unhealthy as you make them out to be.

    The Inuit Paradox – High Protein & Fat, No Fruits/Vegetables and yet Lower Heart Disease and Cancer
    And lower life expectancy, lower bone density, and higher rates of strokes. Does that really sound healthy too? Heart disease and cancer aren't the only diseases that kill.

    The thing is (as has been discussed many times before), our bodies need cholesterol to function properly.
    And as discussed many times before, our bodies MAKE cholesterol, so technically we don't need it from outside sources. Where does meat from herbivores get its cholesterol?

    Statins are a scam an only cause more problems, as I stated above.
    I've never disagreed with you on this.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Sorry, macronutrients simply don't work that way. Please take a nutrition science class or at least read a basic book about it.
    Don't work what way?

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    And lower life expectancy, lower bone density, and higher rates of strokes. Does that really sound healthy too? Heart disease and cancer aren't the only diseases that kill.
    Where are the stats they have lower life expectancy?


    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    And as discussed many times before, our bodies MAKE cholesterol, so technically we don't need it from outside sources. Where does meat from herbivores get its cholesterol?
    If you do not feed your body good saturated fats it won't.

    References:
    https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8...aturated-fats/
    https://authoritynutrition.com/top-9...d-cholesterol/
    https://authoritynutrition.com/satur...t-good-or-bad/


    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    I've never disagreed with you on this.
    But you said above, "There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat."

    Statins are a scam--period.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Probably a bunch of hoity toity stuff that come in a bottle with a cork that I can't pronounce, mush less spell.

    Try to pronounce (or spell) this one.

    https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1179259

    2013 Gundlach Bundschu Sonoma Coast Gewürztraminer

    SKU #1179259
    Wine Enthusiast
    From old vines planted on the Mayacamas Mountains, this Gewurz is pungent in lychee and grapefruit, a trace of pepper, ginger and clove hiding beneath the surface. Medium-bodied and dry, it offers a rich interplay between herb and spice plus freshness on the finish. (10/2014)
    (Translation: slightly spicy dry white wine- Franzia is sweeter but this has about 50% more alcohol content- Chillable Red is about 9%- this is over 14% alcohol)

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-25-2016 at 12:24 AM.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Where are the stats they have lower life expectancy?




    If you do not feed your body good saturated fats it won't.

    References:
    https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8...aturated-fats/
    https://authoritynutrition.com/top-9...d-cholesterol/
    https://authoritynutrition.com/satur...t-good-or-bad/




    But you said above, "There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat."

    Statins are a scam--period.
    http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...ve-longer.html

    Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.1

    Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that, historically, Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...80123d-eng.htm

    For many years, researchers have been unable to properly estimate basic health indicators such as life expectancy at birth for Canada's Inuit population, because of a lack of Aboriginal identifiers on death registrations.

    A new study, published today in Health Reports, partially fills this data gap by using a geographic-based approach to estimate life expectancy for the entire population of Inuit-inhabited areas of Canada.

    The study analysed death records and census data in the four areas of Canada, where 80% of their combined populations are Inuit. These "Inuit-inhabited areas" are: the Inuvialuit region (of Northwest Territories), Nunavut, Nunatsiavut (Labrador) and Nunavik (northern Quebec). The study found that life expectancy in these areas in 2001 was over 12 years less than for Canada as a whole, a gap that had widened during the previous decade.

    In 1991, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas was about 68 years, 10 years less than for Canada as a whole. From 1991 to 2001, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas did not increase, although life expectancy rose by about two years for Canada overall.
    More at links.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Where are the stats they have lower life expectancy?
    Zippy just posted them.

    If you do not feed your body good saturated fats it won't.
    Not true.

    "even if you eat foods without cholesterol, the carbs, fats and proteins all break down eventually and release carbon, which your liver turns into cholesterol."
    http://health.howstuffworks.com/dise...olesterol1.htm

    authoritynutrition.com
    This is a biased low carb site that has to promote drinking lots of coffee to have energy on their recommended low carb diet. If you look at sites promoting high carb diets, they never promote coffee, but virtually ALL low carb sites do. I wonder why?!

    But you said above, "There's an easy way to avoid the need for statins, stop eating so much cholesterol rich foods that are also high in saturated fat."
    I should have said the use for statins, not the need as you don't need them even if you want to lower your cholesterol. All you have to do to lower your cholesterol is lower your intake of animal products.

    Statins are a scam--period.
    Well since I think too much cholesterol is unhealthy, so I wouldn't technically call them a scam (they do lower cholesterol as advertised), but definitely not needed unless you're lazy or too spoiled to want to reduce your intake of animal foods.

  35. #60
    I have never been cursed with a overweight problem, but then I have always done very physical work. My younger sister has always struggled with her weight but she sits at a desk. Hmmm...
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