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    Brazil's Dilma Rousseff to face impeachment trial

    Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff is to face trial after the Senate voted to impeach and suspend her.
    Ms Rousseff is accused of illegally manipulating finances to hide a growing public deficit ahead of her re-election in 2014, which she denies.
    Senators voted to suspend her by 55 votes to 22 after an all-night session that lasted more than 20 hours.
    Vice-President Michel Temer will now assume the presidency while Ms Rousseff's trial takes place.
    The trial may last up to 180 days, which would mean Ms Rousseff would be suspended during the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro, which start on 5 August.
    Ms Rousseff made a last-ditch appeal to the Supreme Court to stop proceedings, but the move was rejected. Her suspension brings an end to 13 years of the rule of her Workers' Party.

    Ms Rousseff, 68, who was first sworn into office in January 2011 and started a second term in 2015, has called the steps to remove her a "coup".

    In a speech at the end of the all-night Senate session, attorney general Jose Eduardo Cardozo said that the impeachment request did not have legal basis and that the opposition wanted to remove a democratically-elected president.

    He said senators were condemning an "innocent woman" and that impeachment was a "historic injustice".





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    Viva Brazilia
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


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    This case is interesting because the Mises Institute of Brazil played a role.

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    Things have certainly changed for Brazil. As the rest of the world was in recession, the BRICs, led by Brazil, were experiencing a solid economy and good growth. They were awarded the Olympic Games and the World Cup- the next biggest sporting event in the world. Now their economy is struggling and their political leadership crumbling and there are even calls for the Olympics to have parts either moved or cancelled. What was supposed to be their proudest moment of glory is now fading away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Things have certainly changed for Brazil. As the rest of the world was in recession, the BRICs, led by Brazil, were experiencing a solid economy and good growth. They were awarded the Olympic Games and the World Cup- the next biggest sporting event in the world. Now their economy is struggling and their political leadership crumbling and there are even calls for the Olympics to have parts either moved or cancelled. What was supposed to be their proudest moment of glory is now fading away.
    Ha. This is political screwery from the west (and it's absolutely going to backire). Come on, Zip. We've talked about the BRIC nations and what they are specifically doing over the last year or so. And how. And with whom. And absolutely everything that has been discussed has fallen into place like clockwork. You're one of the only few that were paying attention where it was being explained here so I know that you know what's going on.

    In fact, I'm going to bump that thread with some thought on it in the next day or so. But there are other things going on at the moment elsewhere that we want to watch and place into context/perspective with the present attempt at a coup there in Brazil. And that's exactly what it is.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 05-13-2016 at 01:13 AM.

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    Brazil is $#@!ed. Nice beaches but that's about it.

    I watched how they cleared favelas with militarized police. That $#@! will work real well for the already non-existant social cohesion. The olympics will make it worse AND they will have a hole in their budget afterwards.

    I'm glad I don't live there.
    "I am a bird"



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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Brazil is $#@!ed. Nice beaches but that's about it.

    I watched how they cleared favelas with militarized police. That $#@! will work real well for the already non-existant social cohesion. The olympics will make it worse AND they will have a hole in their budget afterwards.

    I'm glad I don't live there.
    It's not a coup.

    Middle-class Brazilians are sick and tired of corrupt politicians perpetually getting away with anything.

    "Lava-Jato" uncovered a lot of corruption, and Dilma's Venezuela and Cuba supporting Worker's Party is now paying the price (amongst others).

    Dilma may have been ousted on somewhat of a technicality, but that is just as well.

    The only people crying about a "coup" are international communists like Glenn Greenwald who have zero interest in actually reporting what goes on here with any level of depth.
    Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears

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    Greenwald must have some rose colored glasses because Brazil has been incredibly corrupt for a long time. Beautiful country and nice people (obviously stay away from the dangerous and poor parts just like anywhere else) but they are held back by high levels of corruption and awful policies.

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    Washington Coup In Brazil? Was Incoming President US Embassy Informant?

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...ssy-informant/

    BY DANIEL MCADAMS MAY 13, 2016

    Adding to suspicions of a US role in the ouster of independent-minded Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff is a revelation making the rounds today that Michel Temer, the opposition leader who will step in as interim president, had met with US embassy officials in Sau Paulo to provide his assessment and spin on the domestic political situation in Brazil. Thanks to Wikileaks, we have the US embassy cable that resulted from the incoming president's visit to US political officers.

    Acting president Temer will hold office for up to six months while impeached president Rousseff stands trial in the Brazilian senate. If her impeachment is finalized by a two-thirds vote, Temer will remain in office until elections in 2018.

    Rousseff's ouster has been curious all along. She claims it is a coup against the will of the Brazilian voter and indeed she has not been accused of corruption or serious crime. Instead, she has been impeached for accusations that she used some tricky bookkeeping maneuvers to hide the extent of Brazil's budget deficit in advance of her successful 2014 re-election bid. Observers would note that if fiddling with economic statistics to make a country's balance sheet look better were grounds for impeachment in the United States, there would have been successive impeachments for decades or perhaps longer.

    There are more curiosities surrounding the US role in Brazil's "regime change" this week. Just weeks ago, as Brazil's lower house of parliament began the process by voting 367 to 137 for impeachment, one very powerful opposition senator made his way to Washington to make his case in the Beltway corridors of power.

    The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald wrote at the time:
    Today — the day after the impeachment vote — Sen. Aloysio Nunes of the (opposition) PSDB will be in Washington to undertake three days of meetings with various U.S. officials as well as with lobbyists and assorted influence-peddlers close to Clinton and other leading political figures.

    Sen. Nunes is meeting with the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Ben Cardin, D-Md.; Undersecretary of State and former Ambassador to Brazil Thomas Shannon; and attending a luncheon on Tuesday hosted by the Washington lobbying firm Albright Stonebridge Group, headed by former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former Bush 43 Commerce Secretary and Kellogg Company CEO Carlos Gutierrez.
    The US has long been opposed to Rousseff, seeing her independent-mindedness and participation in the BRICS trade grouping as a threat to US influence in the region. Leftist governments in both Brazil and Venezuela have long been targets of US destabilization efforts. When Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA had been tapping her phones, Rousseff delivered a blistering speech at the United Nations accusing the US of violating international law and violating "the principles that must guide the relations among...friendly nations." Most foreign leaders when informed that the NSA had been spying on them sheepishly dropped the subject. Rousseff was almost alone in venting her rage over what she viewed as betrayal by a friendly government.

    Is today's news about Temer's trips to the US embassy a smoking gun of a US role in this week's dramatic events? It must be stated that a meeting between political opposition figures and US embassy officials is not uncommon, and some alternative press accusations that the meeting makes Temer a US "informant" or even a US intelligence agent are probably over-blown. Embassy personnel as a matter of course cultivate political leaders in countries where they are posted to help get an understanding of the broad political situation. But it is part of the US interventionist strategy, from Moscow to Budapest to Minsk to Damascus to Sau Paulo, for US embassy personnel to actively engage opposition figures in countries where the US would like to see regime change. While it is understandable -- and can even be admirable -- that US embassy political officers actually get out from behind the embassy walls, it is also no secret that these meetings can be highly selective and can serve as a way to reinforce existing US policy toward a particular country instead of gaining a better understanding of the broad political landscape.

    How deeply are Washington's fingers in the pie of Brazil's political crisis? There is at least one precedent, Greenwald notes in the above article. After years of strident US denial, secret documents were finally released revealing the central role played by the US in Brazil's 1964 military coup to remove a left-wing government. Plus ça change?

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    http://sputniknews.com/latam/2016051...elligence.html

    Brasil's new president #Temer was an embassy informant for US intelligence, military," the website tweeted.

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    Master List of US regime changes since the second World War... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5653078

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    It is a shame that the Brazil libertarian movement might be co-opted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilf View Post
    Also found this from Glen Greenwald:

    https://theintercept.com/2016/05/11/...-is-installed/
    From that article:

    Eduardo Cunha is the person most responsible for the impeachment proceeding taking place in the house. He’s the one who made the decision to allow it to happen. And then he, in one of the most shameless acts ever seen in modern politics, actually presided over the impeachment proceeding, even though Eduardo Cunha—and as you described him, you kind of understated not just the level of his corruption, but the proof of it—he was actually caught. The investigators found Swiss bank accounts that he owns and controls, with millions of dollars in them. He has no source of wealth beyond corruption and bribery. He doesn’t have businesses. He’s been in public life for a long time. He lied last year when he testified to congressional investigators and said he has no foreign bank accounts in his name, and then they were subsequently discovered. You have government informants who have testified that actually the amount of bribes he’s received and kickbacks he’s received is in the many, many, many millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars, not just the $5 million they found in the Swiss bank account.

    And so, he has become the kind of face of the—not just hypocrisy, but the deceit at the heart of this impeachment effort. In that house proceeding, that a lot of people around the world watched, one member of Congress after the next, who are accused of and implicated by the corruption investigation, stood up to Eduardo Cunha and said, "Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, I vote yes to impeach Dilma Rousseff, because we can’t tolerate corruption," speaking to somebody with millions of dollars in bribes in Swiss bank accounts. And so, people have started to realize, internationally but also here in Brazil, that although this impeachment process has been sold, has been pitched as a way of punishing corruption, its real goal, beyond empowering neoliberals and Goldman Sachs and foreign hedge funds—the real goal is to protect corruption.

    ~Glenn Greenwald
    It just seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Actually in this case much moreso because Dilma herself, according to what I read, didn't do anything more than all the governments historically before her had done (it apparently was common practice)-- she took money out of a public bank to make the deficit appear smaller but all of that was paid back. And she didn't enrich herself at all.

    It appears the majority of Brazil's congress who voted for her impeachment are the actual criminals. How do they even have a right to vote on her impeachment? Only those not proven to be corrupt should have been allowed to vote on her impeachment imho. Would be interesting to know if you took away all the votes of those in Brazil's congress who are corrupt and just used the votes of those who are not criminals, if Dilma would have still been impeached?

    In any case what goes on in Brazil is Brazil's business. My biggest concern is that the U.S. Gov't is not involved in this at all. In so many countries it has been USAID, NED, IRI, PNAC, Soro's Open Society, etc. that have worked with the CIA to use U.S. taxpayer monies to foment the protests, even pay protesters, and fan the flames that create the mass protests. I'm wondering if there is any proof that this is occurring here? ...and hoping that it is not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilf View Post
    This case is interesting because the Mises Institute of Brazil played a role.
    How so?



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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    How so?
    Heard of Kim Kataguiri?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilf View Post
    Heard of Kim Kataguiri?
    Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilf View Post
    Heard of Kim Kataguiri?
    If it sounds too good to be true it usually is.

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    'US supports coup against suspended Brazilian president Dilma ...

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    ... coup against suspended Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff… but not ... military coup, was very much involved in helping that coup succeed.

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