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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Only half-wrong.... they wanted the real kooks out, those who hurt the cause and embarrassed the candidate, but the solid activists were the backbone of the campaign.
    So, who decided who the "real kooks" were?

    You?

    These convicted felons?

    God?

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster?



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes, I think that's correct. Although, supporters weren't shy to link him to it.
    Many of his supporters are people just like me, that have smelled a rat since day one WRT to what happened on 9/11.

    Ron Paul's number one attribute is his political honesty.

    It would make sense that people who want the truth and honesty would support him.

    I cannot, in a million years, imagine him as president and keeping the missing 9/11 paperwork secret.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-09-2016 at 08:53 AM.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    I cannot, in a million years, imagine him as president and keeping the missing 9/11 paperwork secret.
    I heard a statement from his mouth,, and I know of no tube.

    He said he would open the books,, with regard to CIA activities.. and end the agency.

    I still remember it and my reaction to it. It was scary bold.
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, who decided who the "real kooks" were?
    It was fairly obvious
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It was fairly obvious
    So you don't believe in a kook spectrum?
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    My first thought was double-jeopardy, but I assume they found some way around that. Where there's a will, there's a way.
    Double jeapordy only applies if you've been tried and found innocent. If the charges against you are dismissed then double jeapordy does not apply. Yeah...it kinda makes absolutely no sense.
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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Double jeapordy only applies if you've been tried and found innocent. If the charges against you are dismissed then double jeapordy does not apply. Yeah...it kinda makes absolutely no sense.
    Convenient option for the prosecution. "Looks like we might lose this one. Drop or dismiss, we'll try again after discovering more evidence."
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  10. #68
    These guys are hard to defend, but what they did (trade) was consistent with libertarianism and therefore should be legal.

    I don't care if the law is constitutional (it's probably not).
    I don't care if they broke the law decree (probably did).
    I don't care if Ron Paul knew about it.

    All that matters is whether they should have the right to do it.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by K466 View Post
    These guys are hard to defend, but what they did (trade) was consistent with libertarianism and therefore should be legal.

    I don't care if the law is constitutional (it's probably not).
    I don't care if they broke the law decree (probably did).
    I don't care if Ron Paul knew about it.

    All that matters is whether they should have the right to do it.
    I didn't see the trade-off as worth it. In the scheme of things $75k may not be much but that was a hard come by for many supporters with thin wallets. Personally if I'd have known this is what they were doing with the money then I might not have put as much in the kitty.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I heard a statement from his mouth,, and I know of no tube.

    He said he would open the books,, with regard to CIA activities.. and end the agency.

    I still remember it and my reaction to it. It was scary bold.

    Ron Paul wants to eliminate the CIA and the FBI WTF?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

    Ron Paul: End Torture, Shut Down the CIA!
    http://personalliberty.com/ron-paul-...ture-shut-cia/

    Ron Paul CIA Using The Drug War To Fund Covert Ops
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1UTnT8NZA

    Ron Paul Exposes CIA & Federal Reserves's drug running business on Alex Jones TV 1/2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjwHHKp3GE

    Ron Paul On The FBI And CIA 1980
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    1988 Ron Paul talks about the CIA trafficking drugs
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    Ron Paul on CIA drug running - 1/23/10 speech Part 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv1vvRv1EW0
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Ron Paul wants to eliminate the CIA and the FBI WTF?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

    Ron Paul: End Torture, Shut Down the CIA!
    http://personalliberty.com/ron-paul-...ture-shut-cia/

    Ron Paul CIA Using The Drug War To Fund Covert Ops
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1UTnT8NZA

    Ron Paul Exposes CIA & Federal Reserves's drug running business on Alex Jones TV 1/2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjwHHKp3GE

    Ron Paul On The FBI And CIA 1980
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26f_1318473658

    1988 Ron Paul talks about the CIA trafficking drugs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGL96FIiZkU

    Ron Paul on CIA drug running - 1/23/10 speech Part 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv1vvRv1EW0
    Where the hell is a candidate like Ron this election cycle? No one has the brass like Ron. There may never be another like him.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Ron Paul wants to eliminate the CIA and the FBI WTF?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

    Ron Paul: End Torture, Shut Down the CIA!
    http://personalliberty.com/ron-paul-...ture-shut-cia/

    Ron Paul CIA Using The Drug War To Fund Covert Ops
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1UTnT8NZA

    Ron Paul Exposes CIA & Federal Reserves's drug running business on Alex Jones TV 1/2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjwHHKp3GE

    Ron Paul On The FBI And CIA 1980
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26f_1318473658

    1988 Ron Paul talks about the CIA trafficking drugs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGL96FIiZkU

    Ron Paul on CIA drug running - 1/23/10 speech Part 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv1vvRv1EW0
    did not have video

    I heard it from the man's mouth live in person.

    it sent chills and Irie.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hillary Clinton could hand out those big 4 foot checks in exchange for endorsements on national TV every day of the week and there would never be an indictment or prosecution. She could also take huge bribes in exchange for favors. Oh wait, everyone knows about that already.
    If you are a connected member of the elite you can get away with murder (oh, yeah, they did already...)
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Where the hell is a candidate like Ron this election cycle? No one has the brass like Ron. There may never be another like him.
    Once every 200 years, I guess...
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  18. #75
    What are the penalties? Prison time, fines, etc...
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by groverblue View Post
    What are the penalties? Prison time, fines, etc...
    ^This, and can they appeal?

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It was fairly obvious
    So you do not care to answer the question.

    You know what I think is "kooky"?

    Running a "pay for endorsement" scam right in the middle of one of the mostly closely watched and monitored election cycles in the history of the country, while managing the campaign of a man the system would like nothing more than to crucify, and then, like a dumb-ass, shoot your mouth off to cops and investigators when they come around with questions.

    That's more than kooky, that's $#@!ing crazy.

    But what the $#@! do I know, I'm just an ignorant and paranoid kook, amirite?

    But I'm a kook that's not going to $#@!ing prison today.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you do not care to answer the question.

    You know what I think is "kooky"?

    Running a "pay for endorsement" scam right in the middle of one of the mostly closely watched and monitored election cycles in the history of the country, while managing the campaign of a man the system would like nothing more than to crucify, and then, like a dumb-ass, shoot your mouth off to cops and investigators when they come around with questions.

    That's more than kooky, that's $#@!ing crazy.

    But what the $#@! do I know, I'm just an ignorant and paranoid kook, amirite?

    But I'm a kook that's not going to $#@!ing prison today.
    Was there any upside to this swindle worth the risk?

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Was there any upside to this swindle worth the risk?
    None that I can see.

    Stupid move top to bottom, as far as I'm concerned.

    I dunno though, maybe this how "professionals" do it.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    None that I can see.

    Stupid move top to bottom, as far as I'm concerned.

    I dunno though, maybe this how "professionals" do it.
    the Tom Brady effect.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I didn't see the trade-off as worth it. In the scheme of things $75k may not be much but that was a hard come by for many supporters with thin wallets. Personally if I'd have known this is what they were doing with the money then I might not have put as much in the kitty.
    Agreed. Was only addressing the legal situation.
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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you do not care to answer the question.
    Actually yes I have.

    And yes, the actions here were an embarrassment, even though the law they are being charged under is pretty much unconstitutional.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know what I think is "kooky"?

    Running a "pay for endorsement" scam right in the middle of one of the mostly closely watched and monitored election cycles in the history of the country, while managing the campaign of a man the system would like nothing more than to crucify, and then, like a dumb-ass, shoot your mouth off to cops and investigators when they come around with questions.

    That's more than kooky, that's $#@!ing crazy.

    But what the $#@! do I know, I'm just an ignorant and paranoid kook, amirite?

    But I'm a kook that's not going to $#@!ing prison today.
    I don't disagree. Granted every other campaign was doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that ours should have been.

    Do keep in mind though that they weren't charged for that, they were essentially charged for covering it up.
    Last edited by Matt Collins; 05-13-2016 at 03:01 PM.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I don't disagree. Granted every other campaign was doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that ours should have been.

    Do keep in mind though that they weren't charged for that, they were essentially charged for covering it up.
    If they would have kept their mouths shut they wouldn't be in the mess they're in.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    If they would have kept their mouths shut they wouldn't be in the mess they're in.

  29. #85
    Ron Paul knew it all. Shame not enough people saw him as presidential material

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Watch it -- Again and again. I've had my wife and son sit through it with me and it's a fantastic video...
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Watch it -- Again and again. I've had my wife and son sit through it with me and it's a fantastic video...
    Outstanding.

    I have done the same, whole family watched it at dinner years ago.

    I must have posted that 100 times if once.

    Please, everybody, take 45 minutes and watch it.

    Required viewing in a police state.

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