Should RPF Endorse a Third Party Candidate?

[acptulsa]

In 2008, Ron Paul endorsed a third party candidate. He just didn't specify which one.

I don't think we should repeat that. I think we need to try to unify the Anyone But Them vote and make it count--in one column, not watered down.

That will require some negotiation before the best ticket can be determined.

[oyarde]

I will be voting Third party I guess . Looking at my electoral map earlier this week ( our primary was yesterday ) , It looks like the GOP cannot win without Fla assuming the Dems carry the same states they have, which I believe is a safe bet . My vote will not be needed in my state against the Dem's so I would rather it go towards a percentage needed for ballot access . I voted for Rand and he pulled about 100 votes in my county.

[Origanalist]

In 2008, Ron Paul endorsed a third party candidate. He just didn't specify which one.

I don't think we should repeat that. I think we need to try to unify the Anyone But Them vote and make it count--in one column, not watered down.

That will require some negotiation before the best ticket can be determined.

That would be ideal, whether it is possible remains to be seen.

[ChristianAnarchist]

What does it mean I've been "tagged" in this thread? I haven't even posted here... (until now)

[r3volution 3.0]

What does it mean I've been "tagged" in this thread? I haven't even posted here... (until now)

When you add a person's name to the "tags" they get a notification.

It's a new feature.

The idea's to let one user quickly notify another that there's a thread he should check out.

I tagged you and everybody else listed up there, because I wanted your opinion on this.

P.S. And for anyone I didn't tag, don't worry, it's not because you've been denied entry to the kool klub.

I just tagged everybody who answered "Other" in afwjam's recent poll about who you're voting for in November.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

That's about as bad a strategic move as it gets.

[r3volution 3.0]

That's about as bad a strategic move as it gets.

Will you be voting for Trump?

[Bryan]

Thanks for the thread and idea. I'm certainly not opposed to it, some thoughts...

- This would certainly be an open system, not just for one party.
- People can already promote any candidate that receives a positive evaluation within our formal system, this wouldn't preclude promotions to just one person.
- The goal won't be to try to focus acceptance / conformity, but highlight what is seen as excellence.


A key issue would be the process used. A few thoughts on that...
- Anything done should build off of our candidate evaluation system. Maybe start there as a baseline and do point-vs-point comparisons being as objective as possible. This would have a side benefit of improving out evaluation methodology.
- At some level, there has to be a subjective judgement call, the question is, who makes that call? While the site staff doesn't have interest in being control freaks, there has to be some combination of membership involvement and final staff sign-off, which could largely be token but necessary to prevent going off-course. For membership voting, I would suggest that voting be limited to members that actively contribute to the data gathering and evaluation process.
- An ideal process should be fun, educational and not over-the-top in effort needed. One system that may work is to do multiple head-to-head comparisons and develop a liberty candidate leaderboard of sorts. At the deadline, who ever is at the top of the leaderboard would be the top choice for a site endorsement.

[Bryan]

I don't know why the LP or CP wait so long to choose a nominee. With the hindrances against third parties it seems to me that it would make sense to choose very early (like 1 yr. or more) so that a movement can be created behind a candidate.

I agree, but conversely a strong and timely analysis can help in this process.

As long as RPF doesn't endorse Trump or Clinton, I'm fine with it..

That won't be an issue:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ial-Candidates

[ChristianAnarchist]

When you add a person's name to the "tags" they get a notification.

It's a new feature.

The idea's to let one user quickly notify another that there's a thread he should check out.

I tagged you and everybody else listed up there, because I wanted your opinion on this.

P.S. And for anyone I didn't tag, don't worry, it's not because you've been denied entry to the kool klub.

I just tagged everybody who answered "Other" in afwjam's recent poll about who you're voting for in November.

Oh, ok. Well my opinion is that "Ron Paul Forums" can do whatever the person or persons who control it want to do. My personal opinion on this lost election is if I bother to vote at all it will be to write in Ron Paul...

[mrsat_98]

Ron Paul 2016

Because we need you

Ron Paul 2016.

NOBP

[Todd]

gosh......we've set the bar so high with someone like Ron that it's very difficult to gain a consensus. Think about how hard it was to rally around Rand. I wouldn't go ape crap if this forum were to rally around Gary Johnson or McAfee.

At this time my choices are NOTA. It's not because I don't think some of the third party guys wouldn't be infinitely better than the two douchebags we have, it's that the key time period to gain traction has passed and I just don't care enough about the faux process that culminates in November to take time out of my life to go play the bull$#@! freedom game.

[Chieppa1]

No

[osan]

Waste of effort.

[younglibertarian]

Waste of effort.

Please elaborate?

[jkob]

Think it is better to focus on down ballot stuff instead of the presidential race since so many people are going to disagree.

[James Otis, Jr.]

In 2008, Ron Paul endorsed a third party candidate. He just didn't specify which one.

In 2008, Ron Paul endorsed Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin: http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/

[osan]

Please elaborate?

Because it will have no sufficiency of effect. This election is by all means going to boil down to Trump v. Clinton, barring some event cataclysmic to one or both of those dubious choices. By all means vote your conscience, whatever the case. Make endorsements if it makes you happy. I just find that I have better things to do with my time, like set myself on fire or drown in the toilet bowl.

Today, my goal is to hone a philosophical basis for living properly among one's fellows, and perhaps make some effort to disseminate that framework as broadly as possible. At the end of the day, I am only a man. Changing the world requires many hands.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Will you be voting for Trump?

Actually, I meant to post this in the 'Rand should join #NeverTrump" thread. Who RPF supports isn't a concern of mine.

[Voluntarist]

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