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    Ben Shapiro: Trump Just Burned Down Conservatism. The Time To Rebuild Begins Now.

    Trump Just Burned Down Conservatism. The Time To Rebuild Begins Now.

    So, Donald Trump is the nominee.

    After all the fighting, after all the lies, after all the conspiracy theories and bloviating and position-shifting and progressivism, after all the insults and racist pandering and economic illiteracy, after all the cruelty and full-fledged stupidity, Donald Trump is the nominee.

    What does this mean?

    It means that standing against Trump means more than ever.

    Early in this race, I stated repeatedly that the way to defeat Trump would be to point out to Republican primary voters that he wasn’t conservative. After all, I reasoned, conservative voters were outraged with the Republican establishment that had caved over and over to President Obama; they’d want to nominate someone who wouldn’t cut deals with the wild leftists of the Democratic Party.

    I got it wrong.

    It turns out that a huge bulk of Trump supporters don’t care that he’s a leftist. They think he’s a tough guy who will fight for them; they think he’ll fulfill the promise emblazoned on his ridiculous red “Make America Great Again” hats. They buy his two-bit promises, his stripper glitter showmanship, his foghorn bravado. And they do so because they don’t give two good damns about conservatism.

    As the man who calls Trump “Daddy,” Milo Yiannopoulos, tweets:





    The alt-right, for those who missed it, is a group of white supremacists uniting under the banner of resistance to both Constitutionalism and the cultural left. These are the people Yiannopoulos cheerily touts as the future: an ugly agglomeration of intelligent skinheads, white supremacists, morons who conflate everything vile with political incorrectness, and the odd Hitler fan or two.

    Yiannopoulos is right about one thing: the Trump movement rejects conservatism. They don’t care about the Constitution – it’s a passé document that must be discarded in favor of a Dear Leader who can lead America back to Greatness. They don’t care about the Declaration of Independence – they are an interest group, and they want their payoff. They don’t care about traditional concepts of negative rights, or economic freedom, or foreign policy strength.

    They don’t care about conservatives.

    So conservatives must stand against them. As I replied to Milo:



    Trump’s “something new” is something quite old, and quite un-American. If conservatives want a future, they must stand against him and his corrupt, bankrupt philosophy.

    2016 could have been a time to reap the harvest of conservatism. Instead, Trump burned down the field.

    It's time to plant anew. We should do so with alacrity rather than embracing the man holding the match.
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/5430/t...ld-ben-shapiro
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    Wow, Milo is worse than I thought.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    This is a big deal. Ben Shapiro is very perceptive brain within zionism movement, his reading of situation cannot be ignored.

    Unless he meant this?

    "Ben Shapiro: Trump Just Burned Down Neo-Conservatism. The Time To Rebuild Begins Now."






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    After all the fighting, after all the lies, after all the conspiracy theories and bloviating and position-shifting and progressivism, after all the insults and racist pandering and economic illiteracy, after all the cruelty and full-fledged stupidity, Donald Trump is the nominee.

    What does this mean?

    It means that standing against Trump means more than ever.
    Damn straight

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    Trump didn't burn down conservatism. We're still here. And he didn't burn down neoconservatism. Hillary is still here.

    But if we play our cards right, Trump did burn down the GOP. All we have to do is laugh at them--and pray the LP nominates someone good.
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    I LOL'd:



    The GOP will lose 15-30% Trump or no Trump.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Spoken like the neocon that Shapiro is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Spoken like the neocon that Shapiro is.
    Neocon Trump supported the neocon wars in Iraq and Libya and has neocon advisors.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Spoken like the neocon that Shapiro is.
    I'm not a big fan of Ben Shapiro, but he is right about a lot of things.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    "Why listen to them (neoconservatives), they've been wrong in everything they've said" - Ron Paul (from memory)

    If pointing out how someone isn't a conservative worked, we wouldn't of had Romney in '12, or McCain in '08

    Elections haven't been about political ideology for many years now. It's been an us vs them argument. Dividing people into groups, to fight other groups. Trump found the largest group of people, that just want to destroy everything and start over with a deal maker.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The GOP is paying the price for shunning real conservatives like Ron Paul. Instead of growing the party in 2012, they turned us all away. Now they're dealing with something much bigger and much more dangerous to the party.

    Either way. What choice do we have? Trump, Hillary, or Gary Johnson. In other words, you're either realistic, bitter, or ideological.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luieburger View Post
    The GOP is paying the price for shunning real conservatives like Ron Paul. Instead of growing the party in 2012, they turned us all away. Now they're dealing with something much bigger and much more dangerous to the party.

    Either way. What choice do we have? Trump, Hillary, or Gary Johnson. In other words, you're either realistic, bitter, or ideological.
    John McAfee please

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    "Why listen to them (neoconservatives), they've been wrong in everything they've said" - Ron Paul (from memory)

    If pointing out how someone isn't a conservative worked, we wouldn't of had Romney in '12, or McCain in '08

    Elections haven't been about political ideology for many years now. It's been an us vs them argument. Dividing people into groups, to fight other groups. Trump found the largest group of people, that just want to destroy everything and start over with a deal maker.
    You're absolutely right that there has been no room for principle, competence or sanity in this divide and conquer media climate.

    But you're absolutely wrong about the six percent of the population who foisted this practical joke on us being anything like the largest group of voters in this nation.
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    This guys is like, really, really late to be crying about the death of conservatism.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luieburger View Post
    The GOP is paying the price for shunning real conservatives like Ron Paul. Instead of growing the party in 2012, they turned us all away. Now they're dealing with something much bigger and much more dangerous to the party.

    That makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    That makes no sense.
    Now substitute the Powers that Be and their lapdog propaganda machine media for "the GOP" and you'll find it makes perfect sense--if you're intellectually honest about it.

    Of course, the Powers that Be would much rather sacrifice the GOP than see it return to its principles, because the GOP's principles are anti-totalitarian, and the current Powers that Be are completely totalitarian. The so-called GOPe is nothing but a roomful of stooges.

    Now they have sacrificed the GOP, and I say good riddance. Rebuild the GOP? Raze it to the foundation and replace it with something real, I say.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    That makes no sense.
    It makes perfect sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    Wow, Milo is worse than I thought.
    The man's only real appeal is that he says outrageous things you wouldn't expect a gay man or an ordinary man for that matter to say. It doesn't really have to make any sense or be right but it would shock you. I think one time during a political discussion that he revealed that he has had more than a dozen black men inside him. On hearing this, you might think he was trying to ward of accusation of racism or something of that nature. But he said it for no real reason other than to shock the hell out of you.

    It just has to be said in a British accent and the gullible masses buy into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    That makes no sense.
    Makes sense to me, too. Not sure what you're finding difficult.

    The party is smaller, but their problem is bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump didn't burn down conservatism. We're still here. And he didn't burn down neoconservatism. Hillary is still here.

    But if we play our cards right, Trump did burn down the GOP. All we have to do is laugh at them--and pray the LP nominates someone good.
    Sounds good to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The man's only real appeal is that he says outrageous things you wouldn't expect a gay man or an ordinary man for that matter to say. It doesn't really have to make any sense or be right but it would shock you. I think one time during a political discussion that he revealed that he has had more than a dozen black men inside him. On hearing this, you might think he was trying to ward of accusation of racism or something of that nature. But he said it for no real reason other than to shock the hell out of you.

    It just has to be said in a British accent and the gullible masses buy into it.

    Lol, knowing he's had a dozen black men inside of him makes him what exactly? Tis a strange time we're living in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Neocon Trump supported the neocon wars in Iraq and Libya.
    Please be aware that Trump had absolutely no control or influence over what Congress and the Presidents did. Having an opinion about something someone else decided is not *support*.

    The Republican Party has not been conservative for over forty years. They are just as big government as Democrats. They just want to use the force of government against citizens in different ways.

    What Trump is doing is exactly what we want. We want an end to the GOP as we know it. I just hope Ron Paul and other liberty thinkers are ready for the opportunity that will present itself this summer. The entire RNC needs to be replaced with liberty minded people. Taking pot shots at Trump is not going to accomplish that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Please be aware that Trump had absolutely no control or influence over what Congress and the Presidents did. Having an opinion about something someone else decided is not *support*.

    The Republican Party has not been conservative for over forty years. They are just as big government as Democrats. They just want to use the force of government against citizens in different ways.

    What Trump is doing is exactly what we want. We want an end to the GOP as we know it. I just hope Ron Paul and other liberty thinkers are ready for the opportunity that will present itself this summer. The entire RNC needs to be replaced with liberty minded people. Taking pot shots at Trump is not going to accomplish that.
    How's the RNC going to be replaced with liberty people when the Trump voters keep nominating establishment hacks like this?


    So that Senate seat is guaranteed to be filled by a establishment GOP or partisan D.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Please be aware that Trump had absolutely no control or influence over what Congress and the Presidents did. Having an opinion about something someone else decided is not *support*.
    That's an interesting bit of sophistry. I don't buy it. Obama decided to appoint Vilsack as Secretary of Agriculture, but I don't see how any rational person can argue with a straight face that the executives of Monsanto didn't support that decision--or that their campaign contributions didn't have something to do with the decision being made.

    I also don't buy the idea that someone who consistently speaks in favor of things that are wrong should be trusted because he only spoke in favor of them, but didn't actually cause them to happen. One must assume that, if he only speaks in favor of what is wrong, he stands a pretty good chance of doing what is wrong if given the opportunity.

    And replacing the RNC is not something that the American people have the power to do. Replacing the GOP, on the other hand, the American people can do. Just as the American people replaced the Whig Party.
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    If Ben "NEOCON" "War in Iraq" "Go to War with Iran" "I Love War" "I love foreign aid" "Ignore the debt" "Ignore the founders" "Apologize for Israel" Shapiro wants to see what is burning down conservatism, he need only look in the mirror.

    Shapiro has no concept of conservatism. He is a bonafide neoconservative sacrifice America , spend at all costs for neocon imperialism. He is an antithesis of conservatism.
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    Trump likely profited from the Iraq invasion. The day after, he was bragging about how much money the markets were going to make.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    This is a big deal. Ben Shapiro is very perceptive brain within zionism movement, his reading of situation cannot be ignored.
    Yeah, this quote from Ben should be turned into the neoconservative slogan:

    I got it wrong.
    Bet Ben thought the Fiorina choice by Cruz was a good idea too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Spoken like the neocon that Shapiro is.
    I don't always agree with Milo but he's indeed right about the fact that it's Shapiro's wing of the party that failed to protect us from the left. This article is more about them repositioning themselves to be leaders in what rises from the ashes.

    They did it with the TEA Party, and they'll do it again. All while the libertarians run purity tests and denounce everybody except Ron Paul as fit to hold office.

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    So basically the neocons and the alt-right are gonna war for the GOP over the next decade or so.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    If Ben "NEOCON" "War in Iraq" "Go to War with Iran" "I Love War" "I love foreign aid" "Ignore the debt" "Ignore the founders" "Apologize for Israel" Shapiro wants to see what is burning down conservatism, he need only look in the mirror.

    Shapiro has no concept of conservatism. He is a bonafide neoconservative sacrifice America , spend at all costs for neocon imperialism. He is an antithesis of conservatism.
    That is very unfair to him, he understands what it means to be a conservative but he has carved out an exception when it comes to Israel. He understands fully just like Trump that in order to give handouts abroad, you have to cut domestic spending.

    These people are not completely ignorant (maybe Trump is), they just doing anyway because their loyalty is not with America or the American people but a foreign country.

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