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    REPORT: Ted Cruz Entered US Illegally in 1974


    REPORT: Ted Cruz Entered US Illegally in 1974

    Jim Hoft
    Feb 12th, 2016 9:09 am


    Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D.
    a retired colonel with 29 years of experience in the US Army Reserve, argues that Senator Ted Cruz entered the United States illegally as a child in 1974. His parents failed to file a CRBA form which is required by US law. Ted’s parents did not fill out the required form until 1986.


    It would be nice if the Cruz camp cleared this up for Republican voters.

    Via Family Security Matters:

    Exactly how and when did Ted Cruz obtain U.S. citizenship?

    The fact that it is still an open question at this stage of the Presidential campaign is a testament either to the galactic ignorance of our political-media elite or their willingness to place political expediency ahead of the Constitution and the law.

    There is no third alternative.


    Rafael Edward “Ted” Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada on December 22, 1970 and remained a Canadian citizen until he officially renounced it on May 14, 2014, eighteen months after taking the oath of office as a U.S. Senator. At the time of his birth, Cruz’s father was a citizen of Canada and his mother was a U.S. citizen.


    Legally, Cruz could have obtained US citizenship through his mother consistent with Public Law 414, June 27, 1952, An Act: To revise the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality and for other purposes [H.R. 5678], Title III Nationality and Naturalization, Chapter 1 – Nationality at Birth and by Collective naturalization; Nationals and citizens of the United States at birth; the relevant section being 301 (a) (7):

    “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.”
    In that case, Cruz’s mother should have filed a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) with the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate after the birth to document that the child was a U.S. citizen.

    According to Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier, Cruz’s mother did register his birth with the U.S. consulate and Cruz received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.

    There are two apparent contradictions regarding how and when Ted Cruz obtained US citizenship.
    First, according to the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1946, also referred to as the “Act of 1947,” Canada did not allow dual citizenship in 1970. The parents would have had to choose at that time between U.S. and Canadian citizenship. Ted Cruz did not renounce his Canadian citizenship until 2014. Was that the choice originally made?

    Second, no CRBA has been released that would verify that Ted Cruz was registered as a U.S. citizen at birth.

    It has been reported that the then nearly four-year-old Ted Cruz flew to the U.S. from Calgary, Alberta, Canada in 1974.

    Ted Cruz could not have entered the U.S. legally without a CRBA or a U.S. passport, the latter of which was not obtained until 1986.

    If Ted Cruz was registered as a U.S. citizen at birth, as his spokeswoman claims, then the CRBA must be released. Otherwise, one could conclude that Cruz came to the U.S. as a Canadian citizen, perhaps on a tourist visa or, possibly, remained in the U.S. as an illegal immigrant.

    It is the responsibility of the candidate for the Presidency, not ordinary citizens, to prove that he or she is eligible for the highest office in the land. Voters deserve clarification.




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    There is absolutely no proof that lyin' Ted ever received a "CRBA" or 'Certificate of Birth Abroad', or US Passport. If he had any of these documents then he would have released them already, instead of releasing documents such as his mother's BC or his Canadian BC which proves nothing.
    RVO˩UTION

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    It is amazing that the regular folks are not outraged and questioning his eligibility. I guess we can blame the power of the corrupt media that mocks eligibility issues to the point I suppose people do not want to be shamed or labeled racist or anti-immigrant. This $#@! has got to stop.
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    Should have built a northern wall.

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    So, what if documents are produced? What if there is proof he's illegal? What changes? We are nearing the end of the primary season. We don't get a do-over.

    I am outraged, but I can't sit up nights stewing about something I can't change. If it was up to me, Ron Paul would have been elected in 2008 and life would be all puppies and sunshine. None of that happened.
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    Audit the Ted!
    RVO˩UTION

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    So, what if documents are produced? What if there is proof he's illegal? What changes? We are nearing the end of the primary season. We don't get a do-over.
    So, just fraud and extortion of donation monies for an illegal pursuit . . .
    triple punitive damages or jail time (or both) for Ted 'Lucifer in the Flesh' Cruz?

    If the CRBA was filed in 1986, doesn't that act acknowledge being a Canadian by birth and trying to become a US citizen by statute at birth . . . ?

    Mom Eleanor had already had one foreign born son (in England, unknown father probably non-US) in 1966
    during those 14 years residing outside the USA -
    that son Michael was NOT a natural born US citizen either - just like younger half-brother Rafael Eddie
    Last edited by Jan2017; 05-02-2016 at 12:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Should have built a northern wall.
    Nah, just patrol it with Apache gunships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notsure View Post
    Audit the Ted!
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Nah, just patrol it with Apache gunships.
    Bring the troops home to guard our borders! Or we could simply invade and make it a territory. Are Canadian girls hot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Bring the troops home to guard our borders! Or we could simply invade and make it a territory. Are Canadian girls hot?
    no

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    no
    Visit Vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Visit Vancouver.
    I have. My first cousins - all girls - live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    no
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Visit Vancouver.
    So...I'm gonna go with not invading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    So...I'm gonna go with not invading.
    We should invade Mexico, keep the good looking hispanic women and just kick the fat ones further south.

    We'll also save money on the wall if we go further south and build less wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    We should invade Mexico, keep the good looking hispanic women and just kick the fat ones further south.

    We'll also save money on the wall if we go further south and build less wide.
    No, no. Danke said we are gonna put Apaches there. Though I don't know how they will feel about it. Or if they even have any ships with guns.



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    His parents failed to file a CRBA form which is required by US law. Ted’s parents did not fill out the required form until 1986.
    A CRBA not required to be issued at birth. In fact, it is not required at all. If a person did want one, they have until their 18th birthday to request one and given that Ted was born in 1970, 1986 was prior to his 18th birthday. You can get a passport instead if you choose.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...rds/birth.html

    The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
    And to have received a passport, one needs proof of US citizenship.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-02-2016 at 01:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    We should invade Mexico, keep the good looking hispanic women and just kick the fat ones further south.

    We'll also save money on the wall if we go further south and build less wide.
    They are going to have to use imminent domain or take land from the Mexicans to build the wall. Which one do Trump supporters prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A CRBA not required to be issued at birth. In fact, it is not required at all. If a person did want one, they have until their 18th birthday to request one and given that Ted was born in 1970, 1986 was prior to his 18th birthday. You can get a passport instead if you choose.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...rds/birth.html
    A US passport can be used in lieu of CRBA before age 18,
    but it is still important that either Cruz or his mother did file the CRBA . . .
    it shows that Cruz would have known then that he is at best a US dual citizen by statute, not a US citizen by birth,

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    CRBA's weren't issued until 2011. Prior to that there did exist other forms of Certificate of Birth Abroad. Lyin' Ted has not ever released any proof of his US citizenship. There's no Certificate of Birth Abroad, Certificate of US Citizenship, or US passport. There's absolutely no proof that he or his mother had his claim to US citizenship reviewed and accepted by USCIS officers proving that his mother met statutory requirements and was even able to confer US citizenship.
    RVO˩UTION

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    A US passport can be used in lieu of CRBA before age 18,
    but it is still important that either Cruz or his mother did file the CRBA . . .
    it shows that Cruz would have known then that he is at best a US dual citizen by statute, not a US citizen by birth,
    Could he be considered a dual citizen eventhough Canada didn't recognize dual citizenship at the time?
    My opinion is, if Ted is even a US citizen, that he's a citizen by statute, a naturalized citizen.
    RVO˩UTION

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    His mother was a citizen. He was a citizen at birth. The end.

    Birthers are stupid, I am so sick of all of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    His mother was a citizen. He was a citizen at birth. The end.

    Birthers are stupid, I am so sick of all of you.
    If his mother was a citizen and able to confer citizenship, then lyin' Ted should have a Certificate of Birth Abroad or a Certificate of US Citizenship proving that Ted was able to claim US citizenship and that his citizen parent was able to confer it.
    If lyin' Ted is a citizen; then because he was born abroad, he's a citizen at birth by naturalization statute, through Congressional generosity. Ted would never be eligible to be POTUS because even if he is a US citizen, he's a naturalized US citizen.
    RVO˩UTION

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    Quote Originally Posted by notsure View Post
    Could he be considered a dual citizen eventhough Canada didn't recognize dual citizenship at the time?
    My opinion is, if Ted is even a US citizen, that he's a citizen by statute, a naturalized citizen.
    What Canada considers or doesn't consider is immaterial to his American Citizenship. And your opinion is incorrect. A naturalized citizen is someone who was not a citizen but went through some sort of process to become one. There was never a time when Ted Cruz was not a US Citizen. He was a citizen at birth. Whether he was a "natural born citizen" is another question entirely, but there he was clearly born an American.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Are Canadian girls hot?
    OH YES, here are just a few

    Laura Vandervoort



    Evangeline Lilly


    Emmanuelle Chriqui


    Sunny Leone was born in Canada but she is Punjabi


    Oh and Pamela Anderson in her prime here she is at 22 years old
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    His mother was a citizen. He was a citizen at birth. The end.

    Birthers are stupid, I am so sick of all of you.
    Is Hashim bin Hussein eligible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    What Canada considers or doesn't consider is immaterial to his American Citizenship.
    Actual, in disputes between countries, the law of nations takes over, and the law of nations again takes the traditional view and says Ted Cruz is a Canadian. It's only been recently that America has tried it's social experiment with dual citizenship, anchor babies, and with the children's citizenship not following that of the father. Virtually every countries laws at one time were similar to what Canadians laws where in 1970s.

    It is anything but clear the mother is an American. In fact, with a law saying she is Canadian already posted, her son being a Canadian, and her being on the rolls of eligible canadian voters and owning a canadian business, in any other country but a two bit banana republic, we wouldn't be asking questions - she would have been asked a long time ago to prove she had remained a citizen, and Cruz would be documenting - not hiding - documentations to prove his eligibility to run before he ran - which he can't.
    Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 05-03-2016 at 05:20 AM.

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    It doesn't matter. Cruz has no viability to be President, so his eligibility is moot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    And your [said to someone else] opinion is incorrect. A naturalized citizen is someone who was not a citizen but went through some sort of process to become one. There was never a time when Ted Cruz was not a US Citizen.
    This is not what naturalization means. To be naturalized means to be a citizen under statue by the constitutional power given to Congress. It has nothing to do with some magic ceremony a person performs, but only what a law congress passes under it's naturalization power does. These laws are usually called naturalization laws, and naturalization is not natural born.

    An article with the opinion of a constitutional law professor in the washington post might stear you better on definitions:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...12d_story.html

    If the only reason someone is a citizen is because they are pointing to a law derived from the power of congress in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, "Congress being authorized to establish an uniform rule of naturalization", you are not natural born. This is all Ted Cruz could point to.

    However, most of these threads have of late been arguing not that Cruz isn't natural born - since that has been obvious for awhile, but that Cruz isn't even a citizen under naturalization acts, he failed to met the criteria to be a citizen under them, and never became one later. In which case, he isn't eligible to be a senator either, and ought to be deported.
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