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Thread: Tiny Nebraska Town Says No to 1,100 Jobs, Citing Way of Life

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    There's a way to avoid that possibility. Buy that land. Then you get to decide what happens on it.
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    lol, big-ag got cluckled by the little guy. (round 1)

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There are certainly arguments to be made from both sides, and this is where anarchists / libertarians / con-conservatives split ways. I believe, as Ron Paul does, that the right to create zoning laws is constitutionally delegated to the states, and by extension to the local municipalities.

    Pragmatically speaking, if you live in an area where there are no zoning laws and you try to build a casino next to an elementary school, the town is going to band together and create zoning laws. That's just life.

    Philosophically, I am probably opposed to it. Pragmatically, I am not going to protest on behalf of the casino because I don't want the casino there, even if I believe they have some deep philosophical right.
    I certainly understand. It's like the whole Sirachi incident. The plant had already existed. People moved into the vicinity and then complained about the smell. Or even on a local basis where people move downtown for the music, nightlife, etc., get tired of it, and want to enact sound ordinances.

    In this case the company was moving into a community that thoroughly opposed it.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Who? As I've said I have not heard of any that speak in favor Costco. Is it township property that Costco was looking to buy? If so the community certainly has a say in that.
    I don't know of the specific parcel, but I understand it to read that Costco was looking to purchase a private parcel with zoning restrictions and was seeking a variance
    Project backers declined to say whether they would continue to try to locate the plant on a parcel of land near Nickerson; the village board this month turned down a request for a needed zoning change
    http://newschannelnebraska.com/state...-near-fremont/

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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    There are many restrictions on my land...

    some of which previous owners agreed to:

    I have a contracted easement for a power line that crosses my land.

    some of which previous owners never agreed to:

    I have tens of millions of dollars of natural gas under my land that I'm not "zoned" to touch.
    And you bought that land only by agreeing to honor the previous contracts and restrictions.

    Why should people in rural Nebraska be subject to something different?

    Does the farmer you allude to have some contractual agreement with his neighbors that would permit him to trump their usage contracts?

    Or would you have new riders/easements and mineral right contracts negotiated every time land changed hands? When would these take effect, and who would compensate those who lost value?

    Would the county continue to elect aldermen to deliberate such matters or would there be some other venue to settle grievances?

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    I don't know of the specific parcel, but I understand it to read that Costco was looking to purchase a private parcel with zoning restrictions and was seeking a variance
    And again, I did not see one resident speak out in opposition saying "Hey, I might be the one that wins the lottery. Stop robbing me of the possibility. " The whole town pretty much said "No." In a town of 400 everybody knows everybody and everybody's business. They didn't want it.
    I wouldn't want it either. Have you ever been within 10 miles of a processing plant? Or even 5 miles from a industrial coop? Or Christ, even driven behind a chicken hauler on a hot day? The community. did. not. want. them.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    And you bought that land only by agreeing to honor the previous contracts and restrictions.
    So you find a bit of driftwood in the ocean, take it home and hang it on your wall.
    I buy it from you and contractually promise I won't paint it red.
    But before I bought it from you your neighbor said neither of us can paint the driftwood blue.



    I'm of the opinion you have a claim against me if I paint it red, but if I paint it blue the third party can pound salt.

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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    And again, I did not see one resident speak out in opposition saying "Hey, I might be the one that wins the lottery. Stop robbing me of the possibility. " The whole town pretty much said "No." In a town of 400 everybody knows everybody and everybody's business. They didn't want it.
    I wouldn't want it either. Have you ever been within 10 miles of a processing plant? Or even 5 miles from a industrial coop? Or Christ, even driven behind a chicken hauler on a hot day? The community. did. not. want. them.
    Ride a scoot behind an offal truck in August in the Ozarks.......

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Would you be against your neighbor building a nuclear power plant next to your house?
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    So you find a bit of driftwood in the ocean, take it home and hang it on your wall.
    I buy it from you and contractually promise I won't paint it red.
    But before I bought it from you your neighbor said neither of us can paint the driftwood blue.



    I'm of the opinion you have a claim against me if I paint it red, but if I paint it blue the third party can pound salt.
    I don't have the money to fight a right of replevin suit or any other suit levied by neighbors or the county acting on their behalf...

    But hey............You've got "10's of millions of dollars worth of natural gas" that is more than once removed from your contract..............

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    So you find a bit of driftwood in the ocean, take it home and hang it on your wall.
    I buy it from you and contractually promise I won't paint it red.
    But before I bought it from you your neighbor said neither of us can paint the driftwood blue.



    I'm of the opinion you have a claim against me if I paint it red, but if I paint it blue the third party can pound salt.
    You have multi-national corporation. You buy property next to mine and begin polluting air, water, etc.
    You reap $100s of millions, possibly billions, of dollars in the years I am forced to spend my money and time because of loss of quality of life and property values and increased property taxes to support your infrastructure.
    20 yrs. later I win a lawsuit. I get $2 million dollars, well, $1 million (because my pro-bono liaryer gets half). More than the cost of my property, and hey if my air still reeks, my water is unusable, etc. I can always move with my "fat" payout.
    Except I kinda liked it where I was before you were able to come in, my family had lived there for generations, hell, the house might have been built by my grandfather (though you can't put a dollar figure on that, so $#@! me), $#@! $#@! up, and still walk away with a pile of money making it well worth your time.
    Sounds like a plan.

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