Charts show the great “progress” of Soetoro

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

No link to me being Jewish, eh?

I already posted it, Jeffry. You whined to the moderators and they edited the posts.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Per capita US growth rate from economist Robert Gordon:

1928 to 1950 - 2.4%
1950 to 1964 - 2.1%
1964 to 1972 - 2.9%
1972 to 1987 - 2.1%
1987 to 2006 - 1.9%

[euphemia]

What makes you say I am Jewish (which I am not)?

*facepalm* Now I get it. There was no chart in that old signature line.

[AZJoe]

Nice.

[Zippyjuan]

Per capita US growth rate from economist Robert Gordon:

1928 to 1950 - 2.4%
1950 to 1964 - 2.1%
1964 to 1972 - 2.9%
1972 to 1987 - 2.1%
1987 to 2006 - 1.9%

Thank you for supporting my point. Technological improvements increasing productivity have been getting smaller- leading to slower growth and when you add in slower population growth, GDP grows even more slowly. It has been a long term trend. If Ron Paul was President or Rand, they could not change those trends either.

[erowe1]

Put another Democrat/Progressive/Socialist in the White House,
and just extend the trend lines out 8 more years!!!!!

Also, put another Republican/Progressive/Socialist in the WH and the same will happen. (N.B. Although the GOP as a whole is very progressive to begin with, Trump is by far the most progressive candidate ever to run for the Republican presidential nomination in history.)

Incidentally, I know it was just copied from the title in the link, but what is the reason for Obama's critics getting such a kick out of calling him Soetero?

[erowe1]

Technological improvements increasing productivity have been getting smaller

They should be getting greater. Why aren't they? It must be that the government is impeding economic progress.

[erowe1]

Did I find any?! You can't go through this forum without stumbling all over them. Or, maybe this was your cohort who posted before you. You know, the guy with the different writing style.


You seem to know all about their voting system here, without any sources. You even say most Americans are unfamiliar.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ebold-machines

Israel needs to be more secure?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Attack-on-Gaza

I just used the word scapegoat in this thread, and lo and behold, you use it here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...is-the-New-Jew!




That's just the first three. Combine that with all the other evidence you ignore each time, and it's pretty clear. Your game is attempting to fool new posters here.

I don't see whatever it is that you're calling evidence of Zippy being Jewish, or what your point is. Are you trying to say that anybody who has certain views you don't like has to be Jewish?

[Zippyjuan]

Also, put another Republican/Progressive/Socialist in the WH and the same will happen. (N.B. Although the GOP as a whole is very progressive to begin with, Trump is by far the most progressive candidate ever to run for the Republican presidential nomination in history.)

Incidentally, I know it was just copied from the title in the link, but what is the reason for Obama's critics getting such a kick out of calling him Soetero?

Makes him sound like a foreigner- not an American. Not "one of us". Easier to dislike.

[Zippyjuan]

They should be getting greater. Why aren't they? It must be that the government is impeding economic progress.

Law of diminishing returns. Each additional gain in improvement gets more costly and difficult to achieve.

[erowe1]

Makes him sound like a foreigner- not an American. Not "one of us". Easier to dislike.

Yeah, I know that's the reason. But his name is already "Obama," which was supposed to be a turn off 8 years ago. I guess that one lost its sting, so they pick up the other.

[erowe1]

Law of diminishing returns. Each additional gain in improvement gets more costly and difficult to achieve.

That is not how technology increases have ever worked before. Why did the returns suddenly start diminishing just recently? And what evidence do you have that that's even the explanation?

[timosman]

They should be getting greater. Why aren't they? It must be that the government is impeding economic progress.

Yeah, what happened to The Law of Accelerating Returns? http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of...rating-returns

[Zippyjuan]

That is not how technology increases have ever worked before. Why did the returns suddenly start diminishing just recently? And what evidence do you have that that's even the explanation?

Are you suggesting that exponential growth can continue indefinitely? Is the new iPhone ten times (or any multiple) better than the one before it and that one also ten times better than the one before that? Or are improvements getting smaller between models?

Can a factory continue to double its output by improving the efficiency of their machines? OR does that rate of gain decrease?

If we make a car which goes 100 miles an hour, can we double that speed with the next car and then double it again with the next car or do we spend ever growing amounts to get a smaller and smaller improvement in speed?

We did see massive growth in technology and output in the previous century from large leaps in technology but those large gains are pretty much gone and gains are more difficult to come by.

[erowe1]

Are you suggesting that exponential growth can continue indefinitely?

I don't know. And I don't see how we can know. I also don't see how it matters if it can or not. What you're saying is that, not only can technology not continue to improve at the rate it used to, but that it just recently crossed the threshold to where it no longer could. Do you have any reason for thinking that? It seems like an ad hoc explanation for bad economic numbers.

[Zippyjuan]

Per capita GDP growth has been slowing for over 50 years. That is pretty good evidence.



http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2011...ism-misplaced/

Even China's per capita GDP Growth Rate has been slowing.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Thank you for supporting my point.

Supporting your point? I said something very different. I posted per capita, showing that each person accounts for less. That is because of more entitlement programs.

If you have more people collecting transfer payments thru welfare, then per capita production numbers decline. If you have fewer workers supporting retirees, then per capita production numbers decline. If you have more government jobs (transfer payments), then per capita production numbers decline.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I don't see whatever it is that you're calling evidence of Zippy being Jewish, or what your point is. Are you trying to say that anybody who has certain views you don't like has to be Jewish?

Is that a serious question? You've been on this forum since the start and several more years than me. Are you telling me you still don't know what he is doing here?

[erowe1]

Is that a serious question? You've been on this forum since the start and several more years than me. Are you telling me you still don't know what he is doing here?

I think I do see what he's doing here. He's always been a pretty good poster to have around.

What is it that you think he's doing? And would you please explain how that relates to your belief that he's Jewish?

[erowe1]

Per capita GDP growth has been slowing for over 50 years.

The graph you posted doesn't support this claim.

According to it, per capita GDP growth has historically varied quite a bit, but only as recently as 2008 dipped below the range it had been bouncing around in for all of the previous 50 years.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I think I do see what he's doing here. He's always been a pretty good poster to have around.

What do you think he is doing here? And how is that being a pretty good poster?

[erowe1]

What do you think he is doing here? And how is that being a pretty good poster?

He usually provides a voice of reason and caution about conspiracy theories and sensationalistic claims.

I don't think I've ever seen him say things that were unsupportive of Ron or Rand Paul, or other candidates we've supported, or argue against generally libertarian ideas, even if he may have a more moderate take on them.

And still, even if you disagree with him about things, I still want to know what that has to do with whether or not he's Jewish. That charge makes it sound like you think there's a vast conspiracy that all the Jews of the world are in on, and when people here try to shine a light on it, Zippy obfuscates what they say so that he can keep this conspiracy that he as a Jew is in on from getting found out.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

He usually provides a voice of reason and caution about conspiracy theories and sensationalistic claims.

I don't think I've ever seen him say things that were unsupportive of Ron or Rand Paul, or other candidates we've supported, or argue against generally libertarian ideas, even if he may have a more moderate take on them.

And still, even if you disagree with him about things, I still want to know what that has to do with whether or not he's Jewish. That charge makes it sound like you think there's a vast conspiracy that all the Jews of the world are in on, and when people here try to shine a light on it, Zippy obfuscates what they say so that he can keep this conspiracy that he as a Jew is in on from getting found out.

You answered what Zip is doing on this forum, but you did not answer why. I suppose I did not correctly phrase my question, so let me restate.

Why do you think Zip is on this forum?

[erowe1]

You answered what Zip is doing on this forum, but you did not answer why. I suppose I did not correctly phrase my question, so let me restate.

Why do you think Zip is on this forum?

I don't know. Only he can answer that. He's been here a long time and has probably had varying reasons from one day to another. I have a hard enough time figuring out why I'm here, besides being what amounts to being an addict by now.

But I don't doubt that Zippy first came here as a Ron Paul supporter looking to network with other Ron Paul supporters like I did.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I don't know. Only he can answer that. He's been here a long time and has probably had varying reasons from one day to another. I have a hard enough time figuring out why I'm here, besides being what amounts to being an addict by now.

But I don't doubt that Zippy first came here as a Ron Paul supporter looking to network with other Ron Paul supporters like I did.

You say you don't know why he is here, but then you say you have no doubt that he is a Ron Paul supporter. Based on what?

[RJB]

You say you don't know why he is here, but then you say you have no doubt that he is a Ron Paul supporter. Based on what?

Based on Zippy's apologetic support of the Federal Reserve when ever its credibility is attacked, of course.

[erowe1]

You say you don't know why he is here, but then you say you have no doubt that he is a Ron Paul supporter. Based on what?

Based on how much history he has here and the views he has expressed. I also have never seen him say anything especially anti-Ron Paul. He's obviously not a troll, or else he'd be more trollish.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Based on how much history he has here and the views he has expressed. I also have never seen him say anything especially anti-Ron Paul. He's obviously not a troll, or else he'd be more trollish.

What views? What view has he expressed that supports liberty?

How does longevity translate into support? And I don't know the meaning of trollish. Or at least your definition of it.

[erowe1]

What views? What view has he expressed that supports liberty?

You seem to have an emotional investment in Zippy's intentions that I don't share. But I've just had the general impression that he's basically pro-free markets and noninterventionism. Maybe I'm wrong, but he strikes me as a beltway libertarian type.

How does longevity translate into support? And I don't know the meaning of trollish. Or at least your definition of it.

A troll would come here to undermine the site. He doesn't do that. Every indication we have is that he's as much of a Ron Paul supporter as most people here. Since he's clearly not a troll, why would he have invested so much time here if not because of generally pro-Ron Paul views?

Have you seen evidence to the contrary?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

YBut I've just had the general impression that he's basically pro-free markets and noninterventionism. Maybe I'm wrong, but he strikes me as a beltway libertarian type.

Based on what? Give me a post. Any post.

A troll would come here to undermine the site. He doesn't do that.

He doesn't do that? That's all he does. Unless he's talking about the Denver Broncos or entertainment news, every single thread in which he participates is contrarian. Every single one. Have you not noticed this?

Every indication we have is that he's as much of a Ron Paul supporter as most people here.

What indicators? He has never made a liberty post. Ever.

Since he's clearly not a troll, why would he have invested so much time here if not because of generally pro-Ron Paul views?

Have you seen evidence to the contrary?

There is mounds of evidence. I've posted it multiple times. He has invested time here for the purpose I have stated. So are PRB, TheCount, MaybeMaybeNot/O'Reich (same person with one account banned), Sam I Am, SquarePusher, etc. Do you seriously not notice these people and their patterns?

If you don't believe me, then ask him yourself. You said only he could answer regarding his purpose here, so ask him. I've asked him several times, and he refuses to answer. I asked him his voting choices. Any voting choices. Ever. He refuses to answer. He refuses to answer all questions in this vein. He then runs off to the next big thread.

And I know his background for a fact. I'm not speculating. It's public information.