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From that thread...
H/T Bryan:
And that's the short list.... but you all go ahead and support him. Don't choke on all that nationalist-tyrant brand koolaid.... and don't let the door hit you on the way out (of RPF).Cons:
- No apparent respect for Constitutional limits on power.
- No apparent respect for rule of law, domestic or international treaty.
- Supports big brother security state.
- Supports torture.
- Supports targeting and killing innocent civilians.
- Wants to execute whistle-blowers.
- Would force Apple to do his bidding,
- No apparent desire for smaller government or less spending.
- Wants to cut deals with Democrats and avoid "gridlock".
- Hanging out with Christie and Giuliani.
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“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
What part of this foreign policy do you not get?
No apparent respect for Constitutional limits on power.
- No apparent respect for rule of law, domestic or international treaty.
- Supports big brother security state.
- Supports torture.
- Supports targeting and killing innocent civilians.
- Wants to execute whistle-blowers.
There is no spoon.
I quote:
That's exactly what he said, verbatim.the foreign policy component of Trumps positions alone, when compared to the foreign policy positions of the likely Hillary Clinton Democrat platform (especially after Bernie Sanders has his influence on it) as stated today are still MUCH worse, in a "pro-liberty" Ron-Paulian sense.
I didn't claim he said that she is more pro-liberty (that's your interpretation), I cited the fact that he said that her foreign policy is more "pro-liberty". Which is laughable, considering she is a full blown interventionist.
Read again:
If that thread has concluded that Hillary's foreign policy is more "pro liberty" than Trump's, as Murray N Rothbard claims, then I am surrounded by idiots.
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I'm not going to vote for the guy who wants to use nukes and torture, I have enough innocent blood on my tax dollars. Ron Paul taught me blowback, and because of blowback my friends came back from the middle east different people. It's not the visability of their scars or their missing limbs, but their psychological scars. If one of my friends commits suicide I would be hard pressed to vote for someone who advocates more blowback.
Here is a question...Who would have- in a liberty and limited government sense- a better foreign policy, Ron Paul or Barney Frank? Answer, neither, they're about the same-- on foreign policy alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zLK-NfuQz4
And so how would Barney Frank and Trump compare? Trump obviously the more interventionalist, for bigger government, bigger military, etc. It's like night and day. I am not saying we should EVER be supporting Democrats, but the foreign policy issue is still not even close to adequate under the usual GOP candidates, and that includes Trump. And regardless of the views on civil liberties or domestic spending, it renders them un-electable imo, from a libertarian perspective. Trump is just as bad as any Neocon there is.
What part of using nukes and torture against innocent human lives is morally reprehensible do you not understand? For example: We should apologize to the innocent people of Japan, and not the government of Japan that caused those innocents to die. Any other nation for that matter, too. This is why citizens in other nations come to hate us, because we do $#@! like that and then we say oops, we don't point the finger at their governments that uses their people like marionettes.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
This is something that Obama said was a mistake, it was blamed on false intelligence. Basically they bombed them off their metadata, and their data was being spoofed by real targets. I'm with Ron on this though, my first preference is not to be there at all. My second preference would be to leave their innocent civilians alone because its not their fault. One could argue that wasn't a mistake, but I think one could also argue that without the meta data and intelligence either argument is unsubstantial. I tend to argue on the side of error, then intent.
People knock Trump for saying that, but it was actually a surprisingly astute comment. Tribal cultures such as those that exist in the Middle East require deterrent measures tailored to a collective society, not an individualist one. Russia and Israel have both found collective punishment to be a highly effective tactic in dealing with Muslim Terror.
As for the speech today, wow. I'm supporting Trump for President primarily because of his foreign policy but even I was blown away by what was said today. Never in my wildest dreams did I think he'd go that far in terms of challenging the neocon establishment. And this was a scripted speech too, not just Trump shooting from the hip. The Republican Party is once again the party of Robert Taft. Lindsay Graham is losing his shyt.
Well, if Ann Coulter said it, I'm on board.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
How about we don't read between the lines when it comes to a politician? Hilarious the response in here.
"Obama turned his back on a friendly leader in Egypt". Dictator. 30 years. Tortured his own citizens to protect Israel's southern border.
"Iran can not have nuclear weapons". How is that not the NeoCon policy?
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