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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Would you care for an egg in your beer?
    That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to good beer like coors or bud thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to good beer like coors or bud thanks.
    Not offered to you.

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Bet he's at risk for prostate cancer.....
    Too much stropping, or not enough?
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Too much stropping, or not enough?
    Use it or lose it.......

  7. #35
    Southern Baptist porn;


  8. #36
    Another chest-beating proselytizer. Just what the world needed.

    I have no problem with porn. I do have some issues with the ways in which sexual relations are portrayed, but if people are intelligent and responsible, they come to know what is real and what is nonsense. Kids are inherently curious about sex and I see no problem at all with them seeing it. I cannot say that I like men slapping women around, referring to them as "bitch" and so forth, but if you're going to protect freedom, you do it all the way or not at all. These are the hazards of being free. Don't like, go live in China.

    And if this is such a big issue, forbid your children from going to places where these things are readily accessible. What's that you say? Too much work? Oh, well then by all means ring in the tyrannical state. That will surely fix the problem. Fix everything else, too.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    I'd seriously rather give kids cigarettes than porn.

    That said its disappointing that conservatives feel the need to couch their arguments in post enlightement rights based language
    You'd rather put a child on a straight road to lung cancer than risk him getting a woodie or saying "EEEEEEWWWW...."?

    That is seriously pathological. You might want to rethink that.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Another chest-beating proselytizer. Just what the world needed.

    I have no problem with porn. I do have some issues with the ways in which sexual relations are portrayed, but if people are intelligent and responsible, they come to know what is real and what is nonsense. Kids are inherently curious about sex and I see no problem at all with them seeing it. I cannot say that I like men slapping women around, referring to them as "bitch" and so forth, but if you're going to protect freedom, you do it all the way or not at all. These are the hazards of being free. Don't like, go live in China.

    And if this is such a big issue, forbid your children from going to places where these things are readily accessible. What's that you say? Too much work? Oh, well then by all means ring in the tyrannical state. That will surely fix the problem. Fix everything else, too.
    well said Osan

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Next thing you know he'll have women in burkas, lest they be subject to the death penalty dare they show an ankle or a wrist.
    Oh yummy...
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    I wouldnt, that said there shouldn't be civil penalties for smoking cigarettes , even ofr [sic] kids.
    And neither should there be penalties when I, as a parent, smack my child in the head such that he flies express into the next county when I catch him smoking.

    Porn should be banned
    Your opinion. I say otherwise.

    Now what?

    the obscene should be banned because its evil period.
    FAIL on several points.

    Firstly, define "obscene" such that it applies universally to all people without being vague, but rather is quite explicit in its specification.

    Secondly, your premise similarly fails that obscenity should be banned. Example: I find images of wartime carnage ultimately obscene. Should photos of the so-called "holocaust" be banned?

    Thirdly, you make the naked assertion that obscenities are evil. You make no argument in support of the claim. Booboos.

    Fourthly: your use of "period" intends to squelch further discussion. ULTRA-FAIL.

    Your speak runs dangerously close to befouling my own rights in terms of what it clearly suggests as a course of practical action by some against all. That is the way revolutions start and people get shot, blowed all up, and so on. Furthermore, is bespeaks no hint of a love for actual liberty, but rather for a form of pretty slavery that makes you happy. This suggests that you are no friend of liberty because you strongly indicate your desire for the world to be the way you want it and that everyone else can go pound salt up their asses WRT what they might want, to the extent that it fails to coincide with your own visions of propriety and righteous prerogative.

    If you are for liberty, then for Christ's sake be for it properly. You may not like what another does, but that lends you not authority over him on those matters. The only authority you will ever have over another is either that which they explicitly give you, or where their actions constitute an objectively established crime. Pornography, in sé, is not criminal by any objective and rational standard you may care to name. OK, you don't like it. Fine. Don't watch. Plenty of others do. Keep yer hands to yourself and if you insist on maintaining that you are a lover of freedom, then stop with the entreaties to "government" to threaten death and destruction upon those who view and/or make porn. This does nothing good for your credibility. Choice, as always, is yours.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.



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  14. #41
    smacking your child in the head is initiating violence. don't see a reason for it.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Me thinkith thou art a nutjob.......
    In desperate need of a HANDjob, for methinks his pipes be clogged up to the brain.

    What, pray-tell, other behaviors would you like to force women to do?
    Free blowjobs on demand. Any time. Anywhere. Any woman.

    Hey, in for a penny...

    I'd like to suggest that you try forcing the women in your own family to behave in manners you find pleasing and see how they take it...
    Oh, try and force my little sister Tara to do anything and see how rapidly a knife is at your throat. My little kunoichi sister of another mother would brook none of it and her training would place odds well in her favor that the demand would be either withdrawn, or there would be lots of squirting red stuff.

    I'll tell you here and now that you won't be forcing the women in my family to do anything unless you go through me first.
    My wife needs no help from me. Meaner than a sidewinder once you step over the line. Her grand-daughter's father was stalking her daughter. She caught him and had a 10" butcher knife at his throat and made certain he understood that next time she would cut and he would die. To this day, John is afraid of her and he is well over 200#, and we're not talking fat, either.

    No no no... I would not want to tempt fate in the form of my wife. Sweetest girl you will ever meet... until. Shoot, when the dogs piss her off, I repair to the barn until the cyclone blows over, wanting no part of it.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    ...at least I can usually outwit boards...
    FEH... says you.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why did you skip my post? Did you miss the prostate health thread? Why do you promote poor prostate health and poor overall health?
    I am SO biting my tongue, trying not to respond with "because he's Christian".

    No really, I mean it. Some people make is SO difficult.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    FEH... says you.
    I said "usually"......

    There's been a run of smart boards lately, smarter'n me anyway.......(But that doesn't take much.)

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I am SO biting my tongue, trying not to respond with "because he's Christian".

    No really, I mean it. Some people make is SO difficult.
    I'm a Christian too........

    And I find some of my brethren quite offensive and myopic.

    Christianity is a pretty broad term......

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'm a Christian too........

    And I find some of my brethren quite offensive and myopic.

    Christianity is a pretty broad term......
    Sometimes extra broad.
    I am the spoon.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    smacking your child in the head is initiating violence. don't see a reason for it.
    Let us be clear that not all violence is wrong.

    Example: my son is about to do something dangerously stupid such that he or someone else will be injured or perhaps killed. The only action I deem effectual is to cold-cock him because in only milliseconds the deed is going to be done. I initiated violence and I would do it a thousand more times if I had to to save him and anyone else from destruction.

    Also: people are not cookie-cutter entities. My temperament as a child was such that all you had to do was explain yourself and I would understand why I was not to do something. Unlike my adult self, I was obedient almost to the point of pathology. Other children are VERY different and I can tell you from first-hand experience that some will NOT get the message until you haul off and let them have it. Few parents want to have to do this, but for the sake of humanity's future they are obliged to do so. I have observed and even known one or two children - methinks all boys as I can recall - who understood NOTHING but a good smack in the head. They were not traumatized by it and their parents were nothing of abusers. It was simply that this was the only thing that would get their attention and respect. This is all part of human variability. Some of us are brawlers by nature. This must be recognized, assessed properly, and respected lest we run amok.
    .
    This "initiation of violence/aggression" gets taken too far in some cases. Humans must be allowed to be human. That we are not in so many ways and in such draconian degree, is it any wonder the world is in the shape in which we find it, with crazy people running about the middle east, sawing off the heads of other people? Is it any wonder the tensions between arbitrarily defined subpopulations are heading toward breakage? Is it any wonder the levels of anger and frustration among human populations is approaching the redline? THAT is what trespass buys us. The sooner we learn this (uh huh...) the sooner we will be able to steer this boat away from the iceberg that threatens brunch with Davey Jones.

    With most things, one size by no means fits all.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Sometimes extra broad.



  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post

    Her eyes would look good on a spoon. But I was thinking Catholicism. Some people try to shove it under the Christianity umbrella.
    I am the spoon.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'm a Christian too........

    And I find some of my brethren quite offensive and myopic.

    Christianity is a pretty broad term......
    And THAT is why I am biting my tongue. I know not all are like this, but DAYAYAYUM the ones who are just make me want to say things I probably ought not.

    This issue of so many Christians with sex as being "dirty" is itself a deep and terminal sickness. I cannot imagine living life this way. Naturally, I grew up in the same social environment, but in my late teens decided I was going to free myself. I found a raft of some of the craziest, most utterly disturbed women on which I could get my hands and cured myself of the uptight in relatively short order; and I did so without resorting to pathological practices. I don't need to tie or be tied; to wear diapers or rubber undies; don't need to pee on anyone or humiliate them or beat or cut or anything, which are all things people with whom I have been acquainted got themselves all tangled in. Whatever. While many of my friends from those days were of the "sex with the lights out" ilk, I said "screw that noise - baby, get them lights on because I want to SEE all the sick and twisted things we are about to do with, and to each other." I never looked back.

    How anyone preaching the perfection and the love of God can look at sex as sinful or disgusting or what have you, is beyond me. It's like saying grass and flowers are evil. But to each his own, I suppose.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    And THAT is why I am biting my tongue. I know not all are like this, but DAYAYAYUM the ones who are just make me want to say things I probably ought not.

    This issue of so many Christians with sex as being "dirty" is itself a deep and terminal sickness. I cannot imagine living life this way. Naturally, I grew up in the same social environment, but in my late teens decided I was going to free myself. I found a raft of some of the craziest, most utterly disturbed women on which I could get my hands and cured myself of the uptight in relatively short order; and I did so without resorting to pathological practices. I don't need to tie or be tied; to wear diapers or rubber undies; don't need to pee on anyone or humiliate them or beat or cut or anything, which are all things people with whom I have been acquainted got themselves all tangled in. Whatever. While many of my friends from those days were of the "sex with the lights out" ilk, I said "screw that noise - baby, get them lights on because I want to SEE all the sick and twisted things we are about to do with, and to each other." I never looked back.

    How anyone preaching the perfection and the love of God can look at sex as sinful or disgusting or what have you, is beyond me. It's like saying grass and flowers are evil. But to each his own, I suppose.
    I think it just happens to be a thing that the modern day pharisees have latched on to (of whatever denomination), first because it's particularly salacious (by definition), and second because it's an easy witchcraft accusation.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Next thing you know he'll have women in burkas, lest they be subject to the death penalty dare they show an ankle or a wrist.
    for libertarians this argument might follow, but if you don't accept those starting presuppositions (Which I don't) there is a possibility of balance here.
    This post represents only the opinions of Christian Liberty and not the rest of the forum. Use discretion when reading

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    And THAT is why I am biting my tongue. I know not all are like this, but DAYAYAYUM the ones who are just make me want to say things I probably ought not.

    This issue of so many Christians with sex as being "dirty" is itself a deep and terminal sickness. I cannot imagine living life this way. Naturally, I grew up in the same social environment, but in my late teens decided I was going to free myself. I found a raft of some of the craziest, most utterly disturbed women on which I could get my hands and cured myself of the uptight in relatively short order; and I did so without resorting to pathological practices. I don't need to tie or be tied; to wear diapers or rubber undies; don't need to pee on anyone or humiliate them or beat or cut or anything, which are all things people with whom I have been acquainted got themselves all tangled in. Whatever. While many of my friends from those days were of the "sex with the lights out" ilk, I said "screw that noise - baby, get them lights on because I want to SEE all the sick and twisted things we are about to do with, and to each other." I never looked back.

    How anyone preaching the perfection and the love of God can look at sex as sinful or disgusting or what have you, is beyond me. It's like saying grass and flowers are evil. But to each his own, I suppose.
    You misunderstand Christianity pretty seriously on this topic. Sex is among the most beautiful things God has made, when a man is united to his wife it is (among other things) a picture of Christ's union with his church. Those who have said such a thing is dirty or evil needs to read his Bible more.

    Evil is not something that creates itself ,rather it is a distortion of the good. Things like fornication, adultery, porn, etc. are wicked, filthy perversions of the gift God has given.
    This post represents only the opinions of Christian Liberty and not the rest of the forum. Use discretion when reading

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    for libertarians this argument might follow, but if you don't accept those starting presuppositions (Which I don't) there is a possibility of balance here.
    There is no 'balance' in government. As soon as you give it the power to police fashion, it will begin along a path that will ultimately require burkas or nudity on pain of death. No matter what may or may not seem like a good idea for the government to do, it will always take that power to some humiliating extreme. The moment govco is bandied about as the solution to a moral issue you have already lost the argument. You may be able to establish government's expansion of power, but you have no control over the clowns the dupes put into power. These are not the people you want as your moral enforcers. Not that you'd want anyone but these especially.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    You misunderstand Christianity pretty seriously on this topic.
    I doubt that, but even so, I do NOT misunderstand people. I have watched this sort of thing in action daily for a lifetime and see it even today.


    Sex is among the most beautiful things God has made
    That may be so, but it means nothing if people see something else.

    Those who have said such a thing is dirty or evil needs to read his Bible more.
    What, because YOU say so? Such people would say the precise same to you. I take it the essential point here is evading you.

    Evil is not something that creates itself ,rather it is a distortion of the good.
    Define "good". That aside, if we grant the truth of what you say, what distortion? Any? To what degree? Any? If not, where is the line to be drawn that separates evil from good? What is the objective criteria for painting that bright line in the sand? I know where it is for me, but what of you?

    Things like fornication, adultery, porn, etc. are wicked, filthy perversions of the gift God has given.
    Says you. I say the moon is made of green cheese. Equally valid, so far as either of our statements have gone.

    Proof by assertion is no proof at all and the burden of proof rests with you because you propose to restrict the freedoms of others. As I wrote before, that is the sort of thing that gets people hurt. Badly hurt. So if you are going to propose such things, possibly at great peril to your own future ability to breathe, you had better have some better game on than what you have thus far shown us. Your assertion is not yet credible. I believe you feel this way, but you have not convinced me to vote for your proposals. Your Chevy remains unsold.

    So what, then, in gory detail, do you offer as proof that porn is a wicked, filthy perversion such that all rational and honest men have no choice but to accept it as incontrovertible truth?
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.



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