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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Wish he had learned that lesson in 2012.

    but to learn it at all is hope.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Wish he had learned that lesson in 2012.
    If April 1st is any indication then possibly he has, Trump supporters can dream though, those 100 ~ Ron Paul delegates would make the first ballot sooooooo much easier.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by WTLaw View Post
    There are different types of endorsements. Some are rousing, and some are mailed in. When and if it does come, I expect it to sound more like an endorsement of not-hillary. He might even say it like this, "I endorse the Republican nominee"...and thats it. It would be ineffective in getting trump any more votes, it would fulfill Rand's promise to endorse the GOP nominee, but it would not be so glaring a sleight that Trump would feel the need to attack Rand or even worry about it. In politics, sometimes if you have to say something dirty, make it as dry and boring as possible so the media hardly bothers.
    That would be the absolute worst thing Rand could do and would marginalize him for the duration of Trump's term. Rand needs to get over losing the primary. His defeat had nothing to do with Trump and there is absolutely no reason for sour grapes. The coming Trump Presidency presents a golden opportunity for the liberty movement (as today's fantastically anti-interventionist FP speech confirmed) and Rand would be spiting his face if he continues to harbor resentment against Trump. People like Molyneux, Rockwell, and Alex Jones are already using the Trump train to their own benefit. Rand needs to hop on board.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    haha cajun, you know he's going to sooner or later. He said he will support the nominee. No doubt you will go crazy then
    Nope. I'm done with "going crazy" over politicians.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    That would be the absolute worst thing Rand could do and would marginalize him for the duration of Trump's term. Rand needs to get over losing the primary. His defeat had nothing to do with Trump and there is absolutely no reason for sour grapes. The coming Trump Presidency presents a golden opportunity for the liberty movement (as today's fantastically anti-interventionist FP speech confirmed) and Rand would be spiting his face if he continues to harbor resentment against Trump. People like Molyneux, Rockwell, and Alex Jones are already using the Trump train to their own benefit. Rand needs to hop on board.

    What a load of horse$#@!. You can't use trump, he uses you. The end. Alex Jones, Rockwell and the lot are fools for thinking any different. The guy cares nothing about liberty, and in fact may be doing this whole thing for $#@!s and giggles at our expense. And also, Rand needs to go his own way and support what he believes in, he would be a terrible soldier. What Rand believes in, for the most part, is 180 removed from what Trump believes in.

    You make it sound like its personal. Rand doesnt care about the personal thing, what is galling is that bastard stole the fire of a movement and is going to deploy it to harm our freedom.
    Last edited by WTLaw; 04-27-2016 at 07:36 PM.

  7. #96
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    That would be the absolute worst thing Rand could do and would marginalize him for the duration of Trump's term. Rand needs to get over losing the primary. His defeat had nothing to do with Trump and there is absolutely no reason for sour grapes. The coming Trump Presidency presents a golden opportunity for the liberty movement (as today's fantastically anti-interventionist FP speech confirmed) and Rand would be spiting his face if he continues to harbor resentment against Trump. People like Molyneux, Rockwell, and Alex Jones are already using the Trump train to their own benefit. Rand needs to hop on board.
    I agree. Rand should not be on the outside looking in on Trump Presidency but rather part of the process. Anything else is promoting Hillary and her policies which is obviously the intention of some here.
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I agree. Rand should not be on the outside looking in on Trump Presidency but rather part of the process. Anything else is promoting Hillary and her policies which is obviously the intention of some here.
    No, not "anything else is promoting Hillary and her policies."

    STFU with the catch-all Trump-humping talking points already.

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    No, not "anything else is promoting Hillary and her policies."

    STFU with the catch-all Trump-humping talking points already.
    Anything else is in fact helping an interventionist like Hillary win the Presidency and that is a fact since the race now comes down to Hillary vs Trump. Like some of the others here you are have demonstrated your a fraud and not true to the beliefs of non-intervention preached by the Pauls over the years.

    You are choosing a candidate that is against auditing the fed and wants to shoot Russian planes out of the sky. Yes, fraud indeed.
    * See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
    * Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Anything else is in fact helping an interventionist like Hillary win the Presidency and that is a fact since the race now comes down to Hillary vs Trump.
    The race hasn't come down to Hillary vs. Trump.

    Anything that does help it come down to that though, is in fact helping an interventionist like Hillary win the Presidency.

    Besides, Trump is also an interventionist like Hillary.

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Anything else is in fact helping an interventionist like Hillary win the Presidency and that is a fact since the race now comes down to Hillary vs Trump. Like some of the others here you are have demonstrated your a fraud and not true to the beliefs of non-intervention preached by the Pauls over the years.

    You are choosing a candidate that is against auditing the fed and wants to shoot Russian planes out of the sky. Yes, fraud indeed.
    I'm not choosing a candidate that is anything of the type. Your "You're either with Trump or you're with Hillary" false paradigm is what proves that you are the fraud in the liberty movement. This very forum is "NON-SUPPORTIVE" of Trump. That does not mean that this site is "for Hillary." Logic fail.

  14. #102
    Rand should be the bigger man and do the right thing.

    Attila the Trump is the future of the GOP.
    Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm not choosing a candidate that is anything of the type. Your "You're either with Trump or you're with Hillary" false paradigm is what proves that you are the fraud in the liberty movement. This very forum is "NON-SUPPORTIVE" of Trump. That does not mean that this site is "for Hillary." Logic fail.
    Your 1-2% third party choice could be enough to ensure an interventionist and defender of the Fed like Hillary wins the Presidency. My logic is correct.
    * See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
    * Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Your 1-2% third party choice could be enough to ensure an interventionist and defender of the Fed like Hillary wins the Presidency. My logic is correct.
    If you repeat it loud enough and often enough that just means you repeat it loud and often. It doesn't make it so.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Your 1-2% third party choice could be enough to ensure an interventionist and defender of the Fed like Hillary wins the Presidency. My logic is correct.
    How is that mathematically possible? If people vote third party instead of voting for Hillary, that will hurt her chances of winning, not help them.

  19. #106
    My goodness, if this is true, the loss of principles is complete. Any respect I had left for this man, as his father's son, would be gone. If you guys support this guy for President again over an actual liberty candidate, out of some nonsense nepotism-esque worship of his last name, I swear you are all dead to me. Endorsing the nominee is different than endorsing before the Convention is over. This is horrid.

    Rand To Endorse Trump

    By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

    April 28, 2016


    Before Indiana, according to supposed insiders.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...endorse-trump/
    How can any liberty candidate do this? How can you endorse an authoritarian whose rhetoric borders on fascism (deportation of millions, mostly peaceful religious minority on a registry, economic nationalist protectionism, 3 chances to denounce Putin killing journalists and not denouncing it, calling it "leadership", drug warrior, etc, etc., etc.)? Some of you people have lost your minds judging by the posts I've seen over the last several months, if indeed you ever had your minds to begin with!
    Last edited by ProIndividual; 04-30-2016 at 11:59 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post

    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    My goodness, if this is true, the loss of principles is complete. Any respect I had left for this man, as his father's son, would be gone. If you guys support this guy for President again over an actual liberty candidate, out of come nonsense nepotism-esque worship of his last name, I swear you are all dead to me. Endorsing the nominee is different than endorsing before the Convention is over. This is horrid.



    How can any liberty candidate do this? How can you endorse an authoritarian whose rhetoric borders on fascism (deportation of millions, mostly peaceful religious minority on a registry, economic nationalist protectionism, 3 chances to denounce Putin killing journalists and not denouncing it, calling it "leadership", drug warrior, etc, etc., etc.)? Some of you people have lost your minds judging by the posts I've seen over the last several months, if indeed you ever had your minds to begin with!
    I'm pretty sure it is a bunch of malarky. A rumor started by Krauthammer that has been making the rounds.

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm pretty sure it is a bunch of malarky. A rumor started by Krauthammer that has been making the rounds.
    Yeah, I don't see this happening.
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  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yeah, I don't see this happening.
    I suppose anything is possible in politics, but I wouldn't place a bet on it.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    My goodness, if this is true, the loss of principles is complete. Any respect I had left for this man, as his father's son, would be gone. If you guys support this guy for President again over an actual liberty candidate, out of some nonsense nepotism-esque worship of his last name, I swear you are all dead to me. Endorsing the nominee is different than endorsing before the Convention is over. This is horrid.

    Rand To Endorse Trump

    By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

    April 28, 2016


    Before Indiana, according to supposed insiders.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...endorse-trump/
    How can any liberty candidate do this? How can you endorse an authoritarian whose rhetoric borders on fascism (deportation of millions, mostly peaceful religious minority on a registry, economic nationalist protectionism, 3 chances to denounce Putin killing journalists and not denouncing it, calling it "leadership", drug warrior, etc, etc., etc.)? Some of you people have lost your minds judging by the posts I've seen over the last several months, if indeed you ever had your minds to begin with!
    Lew Rockwell just lost some credibility in my book as a news source. The article Lew's post is based on is garbage clickbait with zero substance to it. The article is based entirely on a quote from Charles Krauthammer that mentioned Rand's name but said nothing about him endorsing Trump.

    Does Lew post crapola like this on his blog all the time? I haven't seen anything like it before but I don't visit his blog very often either.

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Lew Rockwell just lost some credibility in my book as a news source. The article Lew's post is based on is garbage clickbait with zero substance to it. The article is based entirely on a quote from Charles Krauthammer that mentioned Rand's name but said nothing about him endorsing Trump.

    Does Lew post crapola like this on his blog all the time? I haven't seen anything like it before but I don't visit his blog very often either.
    This claim simultaneously makes Trump look better and Rand look worse.

    That's just the kind of thing Lew has posted ad nauseam for the past 9 months or so.

    I too have come to like him a lot less this election season.

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    This claim simultaneously makes Trump look better and Rand look worse.

    That's just the kind of thing Lew has posted ad nauseam for the past 9 months or so.

    I too have come to like him a lot less this election season.
    Yeah I know he's not a fan of Rand and has said some positive things about Trump. I've just never seen him so blatantly pull something out of his ass like that before. I hope it's just a one time mistake.
    Last edited by jct74; 04-30-2016 at 02:24 PM.



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  27. #113
    It's a shame the chairman of the misses institute would involve himself in such BS, I don't think I will be donating anymore, clearly Trump is not an Austrian.

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    It's a shame the chairman of the misses institute would involve himself in such BS, I don't think I will be donating anymore, clearly Trump is not an Austrian.
    True.

    I've always liked Lew but haven't understood his support of Trump
    There is no spoon.

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