FL-Cops stand by on shore while watching teenage girls drown, because "safety".

[Danke]

[GunnyFreedom]

Don't read the yoo tube comments unless you want an aneurysm.

[Anti Federalist]

Don't read the yoo tube comments unless you want an aneurysm.

Oh, I can imagine...

[juleswin]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

[TheTexan]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

+rep

Just because they are Heroes does not automatically mean they are strong swimmers too. They're just human y'know.

[juleswin]

+rep

Just because they are Heroes does not automatically mean they are strong swimmers too. They're just human y'know.

Dunno if you're kidding but i am very seroius about this, these kind of situations can turn really bad fast for the rescuers. They probably don't have ropes or safety vests.

The best thing is to call 911 and pray for the best.

[pcosmar]

The best thing is to call 911 and pray for the best.

Ok on the prayer part.

might do that as i hit water.

[MelissaWV]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

This is true, especially since I assume the "6-7" means the vehicle is 6-7 feet underwater? Anyhow, no, I would not demand that police dive in immediately under those circumstances, either.

HOWEVER... there is no need to mock, or speculate, or --- and this is the big one --- to lie. Not only did they lie, but they received praise and rewards for those lies. THAT is a problem.

[fisharmor]

So, two points.

1. These guys are the constitutional sheriffs that people here seem to think are the solution to our cop problem. So maybe try to understand how some of us can have a problem with that.

2. So, they got caught red-handed in one bald faced lie about what happened that night, but everyone is expectef to swallow the story about how they were running from the cops?
That's not the way it works for anyone else... if you get caught in one lie, you are an unreliable witness about everything else forever.

[Anti Federalist]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

Oh bull$#@!.

I've done it before.

That's what these "heroes" get paid, handsomely, for, supposedly.

God save us from Safety Uber Alles.

ETA - Call 911? For who, a dive squad? WTF are cop divers gonna do?

Further, as Gualtieri readily admitted, one of the deputies on scene that morning was a member of their dive squad — but had decided against what would have been too risky a rescue, given the muddy, murky condition of the water.

[Anti Federalist]

So, two points.

1. These guys are the constitutional sheriffs that people here seem to think are the solution to our cop problem. So maybe try to understand how some of us can have a problem with that.

2. So, they got caught red-handed in one bald faced lie about what happened that night, but everyone is expectef to swallow the story about how they were running from the cops?
That's not the way it works for anyone else... if you get caught in one lie, you are an unreliable witness about everything else forever.

Elected sheriffs are only a band aid, stopgap solution at best.

[Anti Federalist]

This is true, especially since I assume the "6-7" means the vehicle is 6-7 feet underwater? Anyhow, no, I would not demand that police dive in immediately under those circumstances, either.

HOWEVER... there is no need to mock, or speculate, or --- and this is the big one --- to lie. Not only did they lie, but they received praise and rewards for those lies. THAT is a problem.

6-7 is cop "10 code" talk for dead.

10-67

http://copradar.com/tencodes/

[TheTexan]

6-7 is cop "10 code" talk for dead.

10-67

http://copradar.com/tencodes/

That's a lot of codes to remember. I suppose they only need to know a couple important ones, like 10-4 OK and 10-67 Dead Person.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Goons gonna goon. Even teenage girls. They goon with impunity and daily. That's what goons do and we must not be shocked by it or expect anything else...

[ChristianAnarchist]

And I really don't think these goons would have died trying to save them as I'm sure the car was not in 20 feet of water. It was probably only a bit deeper than the roof of the car. They probably could have stood on the roof and broke the windows to get them out. The fact that they lied about how "heroic" they were just shows how easily goons lie. They never have to answer for their lies either because the head goons can't afford to have "bad press" about all the street goons or it makes all the goons look bad (like "goons")...

[Henry Rogue]

Dunno if you're kidding but i am very seroius about this, these kind of situations can turn really bad fast for the rescuers. They probably don't have ropes or safety vests.

The best thing is to call 911 and pray for the best.

Must be some of that 1984 New Speak, they aren't rescuers if the aren't doing any rescuing.

Edit: I wouldn't call them first responders either, more like paid gawkers.

[Suzanimal]

From another article...

Though the county sheriff's rules forbid deputies from chasing stolen vehicles, some officers were trailing the car when the car plunged into a pond off a sharp turn in the road around 4 a.m. the next morning.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-...inkId=23801996

Bull$#@!! They were chasing them.

[ChristianAnarchist]

From another article...



Bull$#@!! They were chasing them.

Depends on what the definition of "is" is...

[GunnyFreedom]

So, two points.

1. These guys are the constitutional sheriffs that people here seem to think are the solution to our cop problem. So maybe try to understand how some of us can have a problem with that.

2. So, they got caught red-handed in one bald faced lie about what happened that night, but everyone is expectef to swallow the story about how they were running from the cops?
That's not the way it works for anyone else... if you get caught in one lie, you are an unreliable witness about everything else forever.

It boils down to the individual, really. This guy Brad Rogers out of Elkhart Indiana is really just great:

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/02...ral-overreach/

It's sad though. I get stories about a County Sheriff telling the feds to get bent and doing stuff to protect the rights of the County citizens, and I think, "That's gotta be Brad Rogers." 98% of the time I'm right. So he's pretty much alone at it right now.

But yeah, this mythical Constitutional Sheriff who protects the people against runaway feds....he does exist. You just have to go to Elkhart Indiana and look up a guy named Bradley Rogers to find him.

[GunnyFreedom]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

Baloney. This was a freaking irrigation pond for heaven's sake. Can't be any deeper than 8 foot at it's absolute deepest, can't have a lot of surface area. Certainly has nothing like currents. And so far as I know, "Do not rescue a bunch of teen girls in a sinking car" is not any kind of law, it's just what the cops decided to do in the moment.

[mrsat_98]

If there is such a thing as "mental illness", these deputies haz it. SMFH.

c'mon you can't expect them to dive right in while in uniform; the indignity!

Baloney. This was a freaking irrigation pond for heaven's sake. Can't be any deeper than 8 foot at it's absolute deepest, can't have a lot of surface area. Certainly has nothing like currents. And so far as I know, "Do not rescue a bunch of teen girls in a sinking car" is not any kind of law, it's just what the cops decided to do in the moment.

Like there is no such thing as officer safety, where are the cop suckers around here.

[dannno]

Well I'm glad the Officers are OK.

They could have been attacked by a gator.

[GunnyFreedom]

They could have been attacked by a gator.

Pffft. They had tasers. Nothing in the world says "officer safety" more than deploying 50,000 volts while armpit deep in water. Gators'll never know what hit em.

[Danke]

They could have been attacked by a gator.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6202352

[GunnyFreedom]

They are lucky to have survived jumping in murky swamp water, lots of crocodiles and alligators down there.

They could have been attacked by a gator.

[Weston White]

Have not the courts ruled that police have no obligation to protect anyone?

This is only applicable until the police have interjected themselves into the event--as in this case the police were the cause of it. A stolen vehicle speeding through red lights blacked out, shouldn't that pursuit have been shut down at that point?

[Weston White]

There would have been 2 extra dead people that night if those cops had tried to save those people. Attempting to save someone in a car drowning is one of the hardest rescues to perform even for trained experts. Knowing this, I would have also fired the hell out of those cops had they attempted to play hero that night.

There was a story a few years back of some dad trying to save his young sons who fell off a boat here in Omaha from drowning, he was a good swimmer but he did not have his life jacket on and his 2 boys had theirs on. Long story short, he ended up jumping in trying to save his boys and ended up dying. His boys on the other had survived but even if they died, there is no need adding an extra body to the death count.

There is a reason for laws like this and that is to prevent people from killing themselves. Sad story but they totally did the right thing by not trying to be a hero that night.

Laws like what now?

And this may hold validity if they had driven off a bridge into Harpers Ferry, but certainly not in this instance.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

$#@! those degenerates. The girls, I mean.

Take it away, Tommy:

[juleswin]

Laws like what now?

And this may hold validity if they had driven off a bridge into Harpers Ferry, but certainly not in this instance.

Maybe not laws but regulations preventing cops from trying to attempt difficult/impossible rescue attempts without the proper equipment. I dunno about the bridge scenario but I would have certainly written the regulations in such a way that if there is a more than 50% chance of them adding to the death count by trying to rescue, they should NOT rescue.

I know some people say it was shallow water but it was also muddy/dirty water and in the dark.

[osan]

This is only applicable until the police have interjected themselves into the event--as in this case the police were the cause of it. A stolen vehicle speeding through red lights blacked out, shouldn't that pursuit have been shut down at that point?

Are you certain of this? I suppose it turns on the meaning of "interjection", but my recollection of the rulings suggested with some vigor that police are in no way obliged to intercede on the behalf of one in distress. The only obligation they hold is to maintain the general peace. Therefore, they can walk right by a rape in progress and fear no unpleasant consequence from the judicial branch.