Where will the "Free Market" be when Robots Take over?
Serious question:
What happens to all of the low-skilled humans (and high skilled)?
F***ing software bots..
Last edited by Son_of_Liberty90; 04-19-2016 at 09:06 PM.
In their "safe spaces".
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I am thinking it is possible that many of the low skilled are not working now .
Also, F*** CGP Grey, he's an obnoxious, elitist, arrogant technophile.
Misdirection, address the question.Originally Posted by oyarde
Robot socialismIf we take out the jobs that could be automated completely within a couple of years, (cashier, customer service, and stock movers/laborers), then that's 8 million jobs automated if we go by the numbers from this graphic. Even if they're inaccurate numbers, you cannot deny that these jobs are very high in number.
Now imagine: as robots become better, how many of these jobs do you think will be completely automated within a few decades? You could always argue people prefer the human aspect, but to be fair: most people don't care and just want their instant gratification whether in the form of coffee, their finished labor, or a product ordered on Amazon. Especially with the internet and credit cards suddenly allowing people to buy things without physical interaction, it'll only get easier to automate.
Honestly with this graphic, I can only imagine 2 or 3 of these still having human jobs by 2050 or 2060. Of course I could be completely wrong and the rate of automation could grow at a slower rate, but it won't go down.
If this keeps happening, soon there could be unemployment rates at a very high scale. With shrinking militaries, no war boom could bring us out. No sudden tax break or increasing of some sort of economic benefit could stop it. The only way to prevent this would be for companies and the government to agree to completely eliminate or keep a proportionate quota of humans and automated workers.
Seeing this unlikely, I begin to wonder if eventually a socialistic society would be inevitable. If the robots take the majority of jobs, suddenly people are going to have to find a way to make it cheaper and easier for everyone to get food, housing, and basic furniture as well as utilities. The idea of tens of millions of people suddenly forced to remain unemployed is unthinkable as there would without a doubt be repercussions economically and militarily. Maybe there would be a "citizen benefit" where each citizen gets a set amount of money that can be used for necessities. Maybe with the advent of technology, food and furniture will be so easy to come by that jobs won't be necessary except to buy entertainment or other rare goods. Who knows. But either way somehow, this will be a problem. Here is a great video that explains how automation could effect us in the future:
Movies and other media may convince us to have some things that are never automated (like hopefully nuclear facilities or government positions) but that wouldn't have enough job room for everyone. So do you think that if automation continues that there would be a forced-upon robot socialism type system for everyone by the year 2100?
What happens to anything else that goes obsolete.
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So, bye bye to principles and free market.
We libertarians are riding the train to obsolescence.
$#@!....
I think I did , best I can tell the unskilled will still be unemployed . The only place I can think of where any of them work now is service and retail .
I mean. It will be happy utopia where noone has to work and we all live peacefully and everything is great and happy and definitely no gas chambers for the weak and useless.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
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Skynet will become self-aware...
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Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Does that happen before or after the sex robots, is the only question.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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This is a surprise to you?
Freedom and liberty are outmoded and dated and dangerous.
We are on the path to Obsolescence (ROBOTS)
I just watched this video and now I am pissed off. I posted it twice to get more views.
We have this obnoxious, elitist sounding prick, CGP Grey, basically getting off talking about how superior robots are to us stupid humans,
and how basically most jobs, skilled and unskilled, will be obsolete for us in the near future.
So where does that leave us? Robot socialism?
If we take out the jobs that could be automated completely within a couple of years, (cashier, customer service, and stock movers/laborers), then that's 8 million jobs automated if we go by the numbers from this graphic. Even if they're inaccurate numbers, you cannot deny that these jobs are very high in number.
Now imagine: as robots become better, how many of these jobs do you think will be completely automated within a few decades? You could always argue people prefer the human aspect, but to be fair: most people don't care and just want their instant gratification whether in the form of coffee, their finished labor, or a product ordered on Amazon. Especially with the internet and credit cards suddenly allowing people to buy things without physical interaction, it'll only get easier to automate.
Honestly with this graphic, I can only imagine 2 or 3 of these still having human jobs by 2050 or 2060. Of course I could be completely wrong and the rate of automation could grow at a slower rate, but it won't go down.
If this keeps happening, soon there could be unemployment rates at a very high scale. With shrinking militaries, no war boom could bring us out. No sudden tax break or increasing of some sort of economic benefit could stop it. The only way to prevent this would be for companies and the government to agree to completely eliminate or keep a proportionate quota of humans and automated workers.
Seeing this unlikely, I begin to wonder if eventually a socialistic society would be inevitable. If the robots take the majority of jobs, suddenly people are going to have to find a way to make it cheaper and easier for everyone to get food, housing, and basic furniture as well as utilities. The idea of tens of millions of people suddenly forced to remain unemployed is unthinkable as there would without a doubt be repercussions economically and militarily. Maybe there would be a "citizen benefit" where each citizen gets a set amount of money that can be used for necessities. Maybe with the advent of technology, food and furniture will be so easy to come by that jobs won't be necessary except to buy entertainment or other rare goods. Who knows. But either way somehow, this will be a problem. Here is a great video that explains how automation could effect us in the future:
Movies and other media may convince us to have some things that are never automated (like hopefully nuclear facilities or government positions) but that wouldn't have enough job room for everyone. So do you think that if automation continues that there would be a forced-upon robot socialism type system for everyone by the year 2100?
Then why warn others when it's inevitable?
should I curse the invention of the cotton gin or the backhoe for this?
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I just find it ironic how stupid we are. We've got the warnings from the Matrix and Terminator. Yet we still march on the beating drum in then name of "progress."
Been saying this for years now.
Progress is progressive comrade.
https://www.quora.com/If-prediction-...-v-7Pq-S557XQU
This sounds too good to be true. Machines do the boring work and people can work on self-fulfillment. The machines produce more than enough for everybody to have a good time, eat a healthy diet, live in comfortable housing, and enjoy some entertainment and travel.
Nobody judges your idea of self-fulfillment. You can smoke pot (or the future equivalent), watch TV (or the equivalent), cure cancer (or other ills), play games (virtual or real), write open source software (or hardware or life), or get in touch with God (or whoever). Basically, it’s just like now except you get social security at 18.
You can’t work full-time (or at least not for pay) because there isn’t enough work to go around, but if you do something fun that people like, you get a bonus. Work isn’t how you make a living. It’s how you fulfill your social responsibilities—like doing chores at camp.
If this seems unrealistic, consider the alternative:
Things keep on as they are but more so. Imagine 60 percent unemployment. Imagine governments trying to ban automation and create make-work jobs to save the protestant work ethic. Imagine hordes of young people with nothing to do but sell each other coffee and give each other massages.
But you don’t need to imagine. Look at Greece or Egypt or many Middle East countries. Or look at early trends in the United States and Europe.
You can argue the timing, but this is where we’ve been heading all along. If we can adjust, it will be good to be rid of boring, unfulfilling jobs and go back to the Paleo days of hunting and gathering for a few hours before our real jobs—myth-making. Maybe “work” was just a short 6,000-year detour.
The idea of human beings making stuff will be quaint—like a person soldering two billion transistors onto a computer chip. Most jobs won’t be possible, much less desirable. The prospect of piloting a transportation device on crowded highways, waterways, or airways will be terrifying. Nobody in their right mind will let a human with a knife cut into their body to fix or replace organs. Most law, accounting, and other paper pushing will be done by machines that funnel analysis up to a few top-level decision makers.
Some say that robots will just create new jobs for robot designers, programmers, and managers. We can only hope this is wrong. What’s the point of labor saving devices if they don’t end labor?
What could possibly go wrong—other than war, famine, disease, and climate change? But these minor problems can easily be solved by machines. But what if smart machines kill us or keep us as pets? Fortunately that can only happen if we are dumb enough to invent smart machines.
Despite artificial intelligence, robots today have the intelligence of clocks. Science fiction has humanoid robots with intelligence exceeding our own. Real life has robots looking nothing like humans doing our mindless drudgery. Let’s keep it that way.
There will be some jobs left for humans—butler, sales person, scientist, artist, prostitute--but not nearly enough to keep everyone working 40 hours a week. So we just keep cutting the work hours in a week but pay the same until we’re down to two or three hours. It worked before. People used to work 60 or 70 hours a week and received less than we do now. Machines will make everything cheaper so we’ll need fewer hours of future work to pay for current stuff.
But how are we ever going to get from here to there? We can’t trust the market to solve our problems because—well, the market is just another brutal, thoughtless machine. If we want people to cure cancer “just for the hell of it” instead of for money, things will have to change.
Socialism based on class struggle was a bust, but socialism based on technological struggle… How does that even work? Can you dream up an economic system that taxes income from machines and distributes it to humans? It’s like slavery, but without cruelty or exploitation. If we create machines like dogs—just drooling for the chance to serve us—everything will be fine. But if we create machines like cats?
When we look at this future, the policy differences between Republicans and Democrats fade to insignificance. Keynesian spending or Hayekian austerity? Neither. We’re going where no one has been. How do we even evolve in that direction?
Nightmare or utopia? We’d better start nudging in the right direction while we still have a say in it.
Transhumans will take over before machines do. By that point, "low-skilled job" will have been redefined.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
It will probably look like this
The point isn't to end labor. The point is to create enough robot soldiers to force you to labor for their/our entertainment.Some say that robots will just create new jobs for robot designers, programmers, and managers. We can only hope this is wrong. What’s the point of labor saving devices if they don’t end labor?
Kinda like making hobos fight each other.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
That's an alarmist's vision, I think it will be more subtle than that.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Of course, always pushing an agenda through needs subtlety in order to succeed.
Hilarious.
On a more serious note,
Stephen Hawking answered a question related to this thread's subject:
If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution.So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.
You can read the whole AMA here.
Hilarious.
On a more serious note,
Stephen Hawking answered a question related to this thread's subject:If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution.So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.
You can read the whole AMA here.
Some humor:
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