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Thread: Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution

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    Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution

    Anyone else not surprised by this?

    Bernie Sanders says his platform makes financial sense for most Americans. For example, his campaign says Sanders's single-payer health care system would save an average family of four almost $6,000 per year.

    But in order to pay for his proposed programs, Sanders needs to increase taxes on virtually everyone in America. So if you're a voter, the question is simple:

    Are you willing to pay more taxes for his proposals, like nationalized health care and free public college tuition?
    How much more?
    When we polled voters, we found most Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for his biggest proposals. That's well short of how much more the average taxpayer would pay under his tax plan.

    We asked voters how much more they are willing to pay for nationalized health care and free public college

    We conducted a poll the week of April 4 in partnership with the nonpartisan technology and media company Morning Consult. In it, we asked voters how much more they would be willing to pay for two of Sanders's big propositions: a universal health care system covering all Americans and free tuition at public colleges and universities.

    Most Americans say they are willing to pay something extra for these programs:

    Nationalized health care: Around 80 percent of Sanders supporters are willing to pay more in federal taxes for universal health care coverage, compared with about 70 percent of Clinton supporters and about 40 percent of those supporting a Republican candidate.
    Free public college tuition: A slightly lower percentage of people were willing to pay more for free public college tuition: 80 percent of Sanders supporters, 60 percent of Clinton supporters, and about 40 percent of those supporting a Republican candidate.
    But when we look at how much more voters are willing to pay, we get a better idea of how voters view Sanders's plan.

    Two in three Sanders supporters don't want to pay more than $1,000, or at all, for universal health care

    About 66 percent of Sanders supporters said they wouldn't be willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for universal health care. This includes the 8 percent of Sanders supporters who aren't willing to pay anything at all.

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    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...tax-revolution
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    Socialism only works until it runs out of other people's money.

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    And this goes here...



    They like the concept of socialism until they are confronted with the reality of it.
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    Sanders voters want free stuff. What's the confusion? You don't pay for free stuff. Any fool knows that...
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    Sanders' supporters are idiots, and idiots only understand pain, which is what they will inflict on others with their stupidity.

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    Commies . Pox on the earth .

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    Of course they are voting for free stuff.. they may be fully conscious of it, or they may be fully unconscious of it, but who cares? Does it matter if a lion is fully conscious or unconscious of his hunting skills? Not to the zebra..
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    I thought the Internet generation would vote for the same things Edward Snowden fought for. I thought that was a big deal and would make people wake up and realize that the government is too big. Now we have millennials picking presidential nominees that want to make the government even bigger. I thought that they would be the biggest electorate, bigger then any race cards they were going to have a huge impact. There was supposed to be a revolution, but it seems that we haven't learned yet that Marxism doesn't work, I guess we will get what we deserve.

    Ekins shared her polling data on various generations and what they believe about economic and social issues. Young people have trended left on cultural and social issues but have not shifted much at all on economics. “It surprises people because [millennials] say they like socialism but once you actually clarify what that means, they don’t like that idea very much and as they make more money that changes,” she said.



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    But they will pay. Here's more of Bernie's hidden taxes, that will hit the lower and middle class square in the jaw:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-a-carbon-tax
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Well, yeah. That kind of message appeals to college students who don't have to worry about paying rent, bills, car notes, a job, and a livable salary. At least while that same demographic is similar to that which turned out for Ron Paul, he at least wasn't promising them free things.

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    Most of Sanders supporters really haven't thought this all through.

    But consider this. Sanders wants to basically expand Medicaid to everyone. Right now it's means tested. Rand Paul proposed means testing of Social Security and idiots on the Republican Right call that "redistribution of wealth." Ron Paul proposed letting young people opt out of Social Security and idiots on the Republican Right called that "not keeping our promise to our seniors." So.....young people are like "Well screw if. If grandma and grandpa get socialism then why can't I get it?"
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