Trump’s getting trounced in Indiana

[nobody's_hero]

To all anti-trump supporters laughing their heads off at the thought of Trump being swindled via delegates at the convention:

I seriously don't understand it. Out of all the candidates that are running (Clinton, Sanders,Cruz,Trump, Kasich), you choose Trump to demonize? What is it about Trump that makes him the worst out of all the candidates? He is the sworn enemy of the republican establishment. Why would you celebrate in his demise? In 2012, Ron Paul did not represent the overwhelming opinion of the voters. Trump represents a plurality of the voters and this should be respected. Why even bother with voting if the party ultimately chooses the candidate even if it is against the will of the people? Let's just skip the thing entirely and let the presidents be directly elected at a Bilderberg Conference? I suppose you think its great that the same thing is happening to Sanders?

This, even though it really isn't even about Trump in my opinion. Trump is a tool. He is little more than a battering ram to knock down the establishment. He is a hurricane in a greenhouse.

To people who are trying to drag Trump down Let me ask frankly:

Are you guys gonna use Cruz to defeat the establishment? Is he gonna turn around and drive the people out of the party who endorsed him? Oh wait, maybe Hillary will handle the GOP establishment. Sanders? Gonna vote for the libertarian and get <2% of the vote while the establishment yawns? Write in Rand Paul?

I'm curious if and how anyone could make a case that there's any better way to defeat the GOP establishment than the opportunity we have sitting right here in front of us, right now. If there is a way to do it that won't take 100 years, let's hear it.

It's not about Trump. It's not about Hillary. All these debates about polls and statistics about who is the best person to beat who are meaningless. Those are meaningless fights between candidates who at most will only be around 8 years. Your main objective is the GOP establishment.

This is about focusing on how to get the GOP establishment the F**K out of the way so we don't have to waste money yet again on a liberty candidate who is gonna drop out before the finish line again.

So Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

I mean, honestly, think about it. How long do you think it'll be before the opportunity presents itself again to send what is essentially a madman into the midst of the GOP's tent and wreak havoc, without even having the blame assigned to you? For all intents and purposes, the liberty movement is out of this race for the GOP nomination. We can claim plausible deniability in the event that Trump knocks down the GOP's tent. That's a pretty f'king sweet position for us to be in.

So what we have left is Trump, who hates the liberty movement (or at least, makes no effort to understand it), and the GOPe, which really passionately hates the liberty movement, and it's in our best interest that they rip each other to shreds. You guys should be happy these retards are fighting each other, instead of you guys reaching through the ropes and trying to trip one of the boxers.

Stop posting BS articles from neocons, liberal rags, and Hillary shills and start thinking about how we can benefit strategically from the current situation.

[nikcers]

This, even though it really isn't even about Trump in my opinion.
To people who are trying to drag Trump down Let me ask frankly:
Write in Rand Paul?

I'm curious if and how anyone could make a case that there's any better way to defeat the GOP establishment than the opportunity we have sitting right here in front of us, right now. If there is a way to do it that won't take 100 years, let's hear it.
so we don't have to waste money yet again on a liberty candidate who is gonna drop out before the finish line again.

Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

This is the argument that I love the most. You already ruled out my answer to the question before you even asked the question. Write in Rand Paul, sure that's probably my first choice. I might vote against Trump if I have to. It's all about Trump though, I hate him. It's posts like these that feed my hatred towards him. My money and my time was wasted because Trump spent the last 8* years campaigning against us. First he campaigned for Hillary instead of Ron Paul in 2008, then he said that he would run third party in 2011 if Ron Paul was the nominee, for his foreign policy of all things.

Then he ran against us in 2015, making sure that my money and my time was a waste according to you. Now you might call me bitter, veangeful, vindictive, or whatever you want to call me. You can even say why would you vote against Trump now that Rand isn't even in the race. Well I'd say to that, why was Trump against Rand's senate bid, even after he was no longer participating in the primary. Rand never even said he would not endorse Trump if he was the nominee. Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

[nobody's_hero]

This is the argument that I love the most. You already ruled out my answer to the question before you even asked the question. Write in Rand Paul, sure that's probably my first choice. I might vote against Trump if I have to. It's all about Trump though, I hate him. It's posts like these that feed my hatred towards him. My money and my time was wasted because Trump spent the last 8* years campaigning against us. First he campaigned for Hillary instead of Ron Paul in 2008, then he said that he would run third party in 2011 if Ron Paul was the nominee, for his foreign policy of all things.

Then he ran against us in 2015, making sure that my money and my time was a waste according to you. Now you might call me bitter, veangeful, vindictive, or whatever you want to call me. You can even say why would you vote against Trump now that Rand isn't even in the race. Well I'd say to that, why was Trump against Rand's senate bid, even after he was no longer participating in the primary. Rand never even said he would not endorse Trump if he was the nominee. Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

And he's on course to wreck the establishment. Something Rand should have been doing, but he was too afraid to ruffle feathers, meanwhile Trump doesn't give a damn. In fact it was painful to watch the debates as I warned that Rand Paul should have been wiser not to put himself in a position where Trump might flip things around and make Rand appear more like an establishment candidate, which is what essentially happened.

You can't pin that on Trump. Rand played a weak 'outsider' game (harkening back to many a debate on these forums where we've begged and pleaded not to rub elbows and play nice with establishment leaders) from the start while Trump owned the title of 'outsider' (debatable whether he truly is) and went headstrong towards opposition. I told people that Rand Paul would find himself holding an empty bag in exchange for 'playing politics'.

Trump shows that none of that 'play ball' mentality matters. This isn't a gentleman's game of golf here. You get in there and run over anyone and everyone who gets in your way. I wish it were Rand up there as the establishment's chief opposition right now. It isn't, and as I said, maybe that's a good thing. It means we can let these two forces collide without having to be near the scene of the crash. Hate Trump if you want to, but we'd be damned fools not to learn anything from him.

The GOP liberty candidate in 2020 better be as headstrong, stubborn, and committed as Trump (with better ideas), or they aren't getting a damned dime from me.

Again, my goal is to wreck the establishment, hopefully this election cycle because I'm tired of all this dicking around thinking we'll just go around them. Go through them! smash them to pieces! I see no progress for liberty within the GOP until that happens, and of the remaining contenders, I'll vote for whomever is in the best position to make it happen.

Name one other candidate in the GOP's big tent circus that is in there throwing stuff and agitating the elephant until it rages and body slams the ringleader.

Name one . . .

You can't.

[FindLiberty]

... This is about focusing on how to get the GOP establishment the F**K out of the way so we don't have to waste money yet again on a liberty candidate who is gonna drop out before the finish line again. So Ramming speed, Mr. Trump! ...

lol, This POTUS election 2016 - it's a Big tent with a 3-ring circus !

The Trump bashing = GOP elephant grave yard FTW

LP needs to be careful so they don't get fooled again.
e.g., 2008 Bob Barr POTUS - Libertarian Party

I like Trump. It is, and will be fun - He can spit at the MSM
and provide a overdue kick in the pants the country needs.

However, I've still got a bad feeling about Clinton ...for 8 years
(WW3 might not be as much fun as those nice pictures in the brochure)

Yes Trump!

OK, even if I end up in a closed Walmart store that's been turned
into a prison (so what if there is no GOOD hiding place on my body
to smuggle in some popcorn...)

[Mike4Freedom]

Stop posting BS articles from neocons, liberal rags, and Hillary shills and start thinking about how we can benefit strategically from the current situation.

The only way that I see a strategic benefit from all this is under this scenario:
Trump gets close (around 1200 delegates) He gets more of the popular vote in the primary. After the first round of convention voting the delegates pick someone else. The Trump delegates go nuts and create havoc on the convention floor, throwing chairs, yelling, throwing drinks and food or whatever. A portion of the people that voted for trump in the primary get disgusted with the process and stay home on election day. They start to realize it is a rigged game and people in this mindset are easier to reach and explain economics and liberty to them.

This is the only way I see something meaningful coming out of this.

[jclay2]

This, even though it really isn't even about Trump in my opinion. Trump is a tool. He is little more than a battering ram to knock down the establishment. He is a hurricane in a greenhouse.

To people who are trying to drag Trump down Let me ask frankly:

Are you guys gonna use Cruz to defeat the establishment? Is he gonna turn around and drive the people out of the party who endorsed him? Oh wait, maybe Hillary will handle the GOP establishment. Sanders? Gonna vote for the libertarian and get <2% of the vote while the establishment yawns? Write in Rand Paul?

I'm curious if and how anyone could make a case that there's any better way to defeat the GOP establishment than the opportunity we have sitting right here in front of us, right now. If there is a way to do it that won't take 100 years, let's hear it.

It's not about Trump. It's not about Hillary. All these debates about polls and statistics about who is the best person to beat who are meaningless. Those are meaningless fights between candidates who at most will only be around 8 years. Your main objective is the GOP establishment.

This is about focusing on how to get the GOP establishment the F**K out of the way so we don't have to waste money yet again on a liberty candidate who is gonna drop out before the finish line again.

So Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

I mean, honestly, think about it. How long do you think it'll be before the opportunity presents itself again to send what is essentially a madman into the midst of the GOP's tent and wreak havoc, without even having the blame assigned to you? For all intents and purposes, the liberty movement is out of this race for the GOP nomination. We can claim plausible deniability in the event that Trump knocks down the GOP's tent. That's a pretty f'king sweet position for us to be in.

So what we have left is Trump, who hates the liberty movement (or at least, makes no effort to understand it), and the GOPe, which really passionately hates the liberty movement, and it's in our best interest that they rip each other to shreds. You guys should be happy these retards are fighting each other, instead of you guys reaching through the ropes and trying to trip one of the boxers.

Stop posting BS articles from neocons, liberal rags, and Hillary shills and start thinking about how we can benefit strategically from the current situation.

Agreed. Compared with Ron Paul, Trump is a joke. But Ron or Rand are not the ones with all the support. Trump appears to be a nationalists in many respects, the antithesis of the globalist new world order, and the enemies of liberty are freaking out. The country is falling at such a rapid rate that it is possible a candidate like Trump (with actual support) might not come again in our life times. An opportunity to support trump and kill off the globalists won't come often... seize the opportunity.

[liveandletlive]

....we are to side with Trump because he hates the liberty movement, less? This is nonsensical.

[MarcusI]

No one was undermining the liberty movement. In case you didn't notice, Rand quit. I'm not sure how you square helping Hillary with helping the liberty movement. But, hey, when she gets elected, you can look at yourself in the mirror and remind yourself that you helped.

So you are saying Ron Paul is helping Hillary to get elected??

[ArrestPoliticians]

false choice. Opposition to one candidate does not imply support for another.

It does in a zero sum game

[nikcers]

You can't pin that on Trump. Rand played a weak 'outsider' game (harkening back to many a debate on these forums where we've begged and pleaded not to rub elbows and play nice with establishment leaders) from the start while Trump owned the title of 'outsider' (debatable whether he truly is) and went headstrong towards opposition. I told people that Rand Paul would find himself holding an empty bag in exchange for 'playing politics'.

Yes i can, Trump is a Marxist authoritarian who was sold to us by the same media that sold us the Iraq war. Rand didn't run a bad campaign, he got out funded. Trump got 2 billion in free tv- and given basically a free pass to the nomination. Yeah some of us are going to fight him on this, we fought to make the party more conservative.

We are the ones that gave you the sequester and shut down the government. Our movenment wasn't failing until Trump came on the scene and campaigned against us with 2 billion in free TV. Peddling his socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor to people on the idiotbox.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

[goldwater's ghost]

This, even though it really isn't even about Trump in my opinion. Trump is a tool. He is little more than a battering ram to knock down the establishment. He is a hurricane in a greenhouse.

To people who are trying to drag Trump down Let me ask frankly:

Are you guys gonna use Cruz to defeat the establishment? Is he gonna turn around and drive the people out of the party who endorsed him? Oh wait, maybe Hillary will handle the GOP establishment. Sanders? Gonna vote for the libertarian and get <2% of the vote while the establishment yawns? Write in Rand Paul?

I'm curious if and how anyone could make a case that there's any better way to defeat the GOP establishment than the opportunity we have sitting right here in front of us, right now. If there is a way to do it that won't take 100 years, let's hear it.

It's not about Trump. It's not about Hillary. All these debates about polls and statistics about who is the best person to beat who are meaningless. Those are meaningless fights between candidates who at most will only be around 8 years. Your main objective is the GOP establishment.

This is about focusing on how to get the GOP establishment the F**K out of the way so we don't have to waste money yet again on a liberty candidate who is gonna drop out before the finish line again.

So Ramming speed, Mr. Trump!

I mean, honestly, think about it. How long do you think it'll be before the opportunity presents itself again to send what is essentially a madman into the midst of the GOP's tent and wreak havoc, without even having the blame assigned to you? For all intents and purposes, the liberty movement is out of this race for the GOP nomination. We can claim plausible deniability in the event that Trump knocks down the GOP's tent. That's a pretty f'king sweet position for us to be in.

So what we have left is Trump, who hates the liberty movement (or at least, makes no effort to understand it), and the GOPe, which really passionately hates the liberty movement, and it's in our best interest that they rip each other to shreds. You guys should be happy these retards are fighting each other, instead of you guys reaching through the ropes and trying to trip one of the boxers.

Stop posting BS articles from neocons, liberal rags, and Hillary shills and start thinking about how we can benefit strategically from the current situation.

sometimes love of country trumps (no pun intended) a desire to destroy the establishment. trump is unqualified to be president. the idiot has been gearing up for his presidential run for three years yet knows nothing about the issues, doesnt know anything about the constitution, doesnt know anything about how government works. he's a complete blowhard who says anything that comes to mind and changes his mind if its met with resistence. we are months into the campaign and i still dont have a sense of what he would actually do if he won. i mean he has literally backtracked and changed his stance on just about every issue. the guy is running the worst ground game quite possibly in the history of politics. he is so far beyond incompetent that to vote for this clown is akin to putting America's future on number 35 on the roulette wheel and hoping it will hit. You have to really hate America or just dont give a $#@! to vote for that clown

[nobody's_hero]

Yes i can, Trump is a Marxist authoritarian who was sold to us by the same media that sold us the Iraq war. Rand didn't run a bad campaign, he got out funded. Trump got 2 billion in free tv- and given basically a free pass to the nomination. Yeah some of us are going to fight him on this, we fought to make the party more conservative.

We are the ones that gave you the sequester and shut down the government. Our movenment wasn't failing until Trump came on the scene and campaigned against us with 2 billion in free TV. Peddling his socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor to people on the idiotbox.

The media hates trump. They only gave him that attention at first because he was entertaining and good for ratings. But the media has one purpose: to mold opinions. Profit comes second to that. Now that $#@! is getting serious and the guy might actually win this thing, they're pulling out all the stops to bring him down. Just look at the sheer multitude of Op-Eds, blog posts and polling data that CPUd is finding and reposting here on RPF. They are panicking.

They did the SAME EXACT THING to Ron Paul. He got all kinds of interviews at first, particularly around the time of the bailouts, but when the race drew nearer to conclusion the media was told to cut it out.

Again, if anyone has a better idea to break the establishment's hold on the GOP voters, let's hear it. Hopefully you can come up with something better than putting up a reasonable candidate with positive ideas and a passion for liberty, because we've tried that 3 times in a row now and the establishment is still there, cock-blocking and laughing at us.

Trump is like a Roomba, you put him on the floor and turn him loose and he sucks up dirt, but you don't know which way he's gonna go. hell, he might suck up the cat, get stuck in a corner, or piss off the dog. I'm willing to accept that risk.

We've tried everything else and it isn't working.

sometimes love of country trumps (no pun intended) a desire to destroy the establishment. trump is unqualified to be president. the idiot has been gearing up for his presidential run for three years yet knows nothing about the issues, doesnt know anything about the constitution, doesnt know anything about how government works. he's a complete blowhard who says anything that comes to mind and changes his mind if its met with resistence. we are months into the campaign and i still dont have a sense of what he would actually do if he won. i mean he has literally backtracked and changed his stance on just about every issue. the guy is running the worst ground game quite possibly in the history of politics. he is so far beyond incompetent that to vote for this clown is akin to putting America's future on number 35 on the roulette wheel and hoping it will hit. You have to really hate America or just dont give a $#@! to vote for that clown

I wouldn't say I hate America, but I'm probably guilty of not giving a damn. It's more like we've bet on every number but 35. Yeah, the odds are beyond crappy that it works out in our favor, but it's the only number we haven't tried yet.

I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I don't see any way to save the country without routing the establishment first. We've been trying to save the country, without dealing with the establishment first, and that isn't working.

[nobody's_hero]

The only way that I see a strategic benefit from all this is under this scenario:
Trump gets close (around 1200 delegates) He gets more of the popular vote in the primary. After the first round of convention voting the delegates pick someone else. The Trump delegates go nuts and create havoc on the convention floor, throwing chairs, yelling, throwing drinks and food or whatever. A portion of the people that voted for trump in the primary get disgusted with the process and stay home on election day. They start to realize it is a rigged game and people in this mindset are easier to reach and explain economics and liberty to them.

This is the only way I see something meaningful coming out of this.

Yes, that would be a good potential outcome. I was an avid Bush supporter up until something happened that completely shook my faith in him, the Bailouts. Once that happened, my mind was free and open enough for Ron Paul to fill that void. Something clicked and suddenly Ron Paul was changing my mind on issues that I thought I was pretty firm on (War on Terror).

Anything that will piss off more than just us (because we are obviously not enough people to exact any meaningful change politically) would be an ideal outcome.

[nikcers]

They did the SAME EXACT THING to Ron Paul. He got all kinds of interviews at first, particularly around the time of the bailouts, but when the race drew nearer to conclusion the media was told to cut it out.

Again, if anyone has a better idea to break the establishment's hold on the GOP voters, let's hear it. Hopefully you can come up with something better than putting up a reasonable candidate with positive ideas and a passion for liberty, because we've tried that 3 times in a row now and the establishment is still there, cock-blocking and laughing at us.



We've tried everything else and it isn't working.

Nah, we haven't tried everything, there are infinity possibilities of everything. Look at anything man made and it takes work and time to build it up. Ron Paul wasn't created 3 elections ago. He spent decades building up a solid ideology and an authenticity that defined our political age and has trended the political landscape to favor non interventionism. Don't come in here and $#@! on the work they did and claim that it hasn't steered the nation in a different direction. (mod edit)

I bolded your flat out bull$#@!, Ron Paul never got a fair shake, it even became a joke at one point that they were ignoring him even when he won elections they wouldn't even mention him.

[CPUd]

And he's on course to wreck the establishment. Something Rand should have been doing, but he was too afraid to ruffle feathers, meanwhile Trump doesn't give a damn. In fact it was painful to watch the debates as I warned that Rand Paul should have been wiser not to put himself in a position where Trump might flip things around and make Rand appear more like an establishment candidate, which is what essentially happened.

You can't pin that on Trump. Rand played a weak 'outsider' game (harkening back to many a debate on these forums where we've begged and pleaded not to rub elbows and play nice with establishment leaders) from the start while Trump owned the title of 'outsider' (debatable whether he truly is) and went headstrong towards opposition. I told people that Rand Paul would find himself holding an empty bag in exchange for 'playing politics'.

Trump shows that none of that 'play ball' mentality matters. This isn't a gentleman's game of golf here. You get in there and run over anyone and everyone who gets in your way. I wish it were Rand up there as the establishment's chief opposition right now. It isn't, and as I said, maybe that's a good thing. It means we can let these two forces collide without having to be near the scene of the crash. Hate Trump if you want to, but we'd be damned fools not to learn anything from him.

The GOP liberty candidate in 2020 better be as headstrong, stubborn, and committed as Trump (with better ideas), or they aren't getting a damned dime from me.

Again, my goal is to wreck the establishment, hopefully this election cycle because I'm tired of all this dicking around thinking we'll just go around them. Go through them! smash them to pieces! I see no progress for liberty within the GOP until that happens, and of the remaining contenders, I'll vote for whomever is in the best position to make it happen.

Name one other candidate in the GOP's big tent circus that is in there throwing stuff and agitating the elephant until it rages and body slams the ringleader.

Name one . . .

You can't.

Rand is not afraid to ruffle feathers, he once forced the Senate to stay until 3AM for a vote. It was not part of his strategy for POTUS to go out and call his co-workers meanies and poo-poo heads. You will find out very soon that some of those people you need to at the very least, not oppose you during a critical time in the primary season (like now). Rand sees a pretender out there on the debate stage, he has no problem calling him out when everyone else is afraid to. His strategy was to show how he is an asset to the new, inclusive GOP, while still being the most conservative in the race. It didn't work out (for reasons discussed ad infinitum), so be it. That is not a license to be destructive, and if you go that route, you will find there is no place for you when the rebuilding occurs.

I don't hate trump, he is a very hard man to hate. But he has no business trying to be president.

Name one other candidate in the GOP's big tent circus that is in there throwing stuff and agitating the elephant until it rages and body slams the ringleader.

I recommend not trying to use this argument here. It is borderline promotion, and assumes the membership condones such behavior.

[devil21]

CPUd must really, really dislike Trump. Never seen such a constant stream of negative spin Trump articles...

[nikcers]

CPUd must really, really dislike Trump. Never seen such a constant stream of negative spin Trump articles...

I'm sure it's a spin, Trump will get all the delegates in Indiana? Do you know what you are writing or are you a bot?

[CPUd]

Indiana delegates say they're getting hate mail from Trump supporters

After expressing reservations about Donald Trump, some of Indiana's delegates to the Republican national convention say they've received threatening messages from a few of the GOP front-runner's supporters.

The emails warn that the delegates are being watched and imply they could be targeted. Some send ominous wishes to delegates' families.

Trump's Indiana campaign called the threats "deplorable."

Craig Dunn, a delegate and Republican chairman of Indiana's 4th Congressional District, was among the Trump critics who received the threatening messages.

"You sorry (expletive)!" one email said. "I hope the worst for you and yours!"

Dunn was stunned by the response.

"Little did I know that in expressing your 1st Amendment rights, that they’d come after you so hard," he said. "It's very disappointing. I probably received 25 to 30 hate emails, phone calls and voice mails, posts on Facebook that I deleted. Now they're hunting down friends of mine and posting that kind of stuff on their Facebook pages."

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/p...ters/82911068/

[Zippyjuan]

Yeah- that will get them to support Trump! I like guys sending me hate mail!