Alt-Right vs. Socialist Left: What It Means for Liberty | Jeff Deist [edit]

[Smitty]

By Jeff Deist who describes the difference between the Socialist left and the Alt-Right.

The entire video is worth watching but his definition of the Alt-Right begins at the 17:30 mark.

http://ronpaulnews.net/2016/02/alt-r...t-what-it.html

You can view it on the Ron Paul News link but it's larger on it's original youtube format

Here:

[Tywysog Cymru]

A commenter is much more accurate:

As a Atrighter I think we should be clear that race realism/ProWhite is the most fundamental premise of the Altright.

The other issues don't matter so much to them.

[Smitty]

Yeah, well,..I think the summation statement was very correct,...that the future is between reasonable people and unreasonable people,...between PC and the truth.

It's a very healthy development that people are getting sick to death of that old, lame PC crap.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Yeah, well,..I think the summation statement was very correct,...that the future is between reasonable people and unreasonable people,...between PC and the truth.

It's a very healthy development that people are getting sick to death of that old, lame PC crap.

I'm basing what I'm saying on what people in the movement say about their movement.

[Smitty]

I'm basing what I'm saying on what people in the movement say about their movement.

You're cherry picking what you want to validate your preconceived opinion.

[Tywysog Cymru]

You're cherry picking what you want to validate your preconceived opinion.

No, they are open about it. The people in the movement make it very clear that it is about race.

[Smitty]

No, they are open about it. The people in the movement make it very clear that it is about race.

It's much more complicated than that, as the video in the OP demonstrates. Maybe you should take your concerns up with the Mises Institute which sponsored the presentation.

[otherone]

socialist right vs socialist left

[Tywysog Cymru]

It's much more complicated than that, as the video in the OP demonstrates. Maybe you should take your concerns up with the Mises Institute which sponsored the presentation.

It really isn't. People on the alt-right will tell you that it is about white identity politics. On most other issues you will see divergent opinions.

[r3volution 3.0]

In another thread, I suggested browsing therightstuffDOTbiz to get an idea of the alt-right.

It's the most popular alt-right website AFAIK.

Before even reading the articles, note the photographs of smiling NAZIs which they use for a site banner.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Here's an alt-right guy using the movement's favorite word:

[Smitty]

It's obnoxiously apparent that some of the people commenting in this thread are grossly out of their league,..and quite possibly out of their true ideology.

https://mises.org/profile/jeff-deist

Jeff Deist is president of the Mises Institute. For many years he was an advisor to Ron Paul and a tax attorney specializing in mergers and acquisitions for private equity clients. He was also Congressman Paul’s chief of staff during the 2012 election, and his press secretary in Congress from 2000 to 2006.

[Smitty]

But thanks for the enlightenment about what's going on here.

I just wonder how deep it goes.

[Tywysog Cymru]

It's obnoxiously apparent that some of the people commenting in this thread are grossly out of their league,..and quite possibly out of their true ideology.

https://mises.org/profile/jeff-deist

Jeff Deist is president of the Mises Institute. For many years he was an advisor to Ron Paul and a tax attorney specializing in mergers and acquisitions for private equity clients. He was also Congressman Paul’s chief of staff during the 2012 election, and his press secretary in Congress from 2000 to 2006.

Jeff Deist is not part of the alt-right. I'm getting my information from people who are part of the movement.

[Wilf]

It's obnoxiously apparent that some of the people commenting in this thread are grossly out of their league,..and quite possibly out of their true ideology.

https://mises.org/profile/jeff-deist

Jeff Deist is president of the Mises Institute. For many years he was an advisor to Ron Paul and a tax attorney specializing in mergers and acquisitions for private equity clients. He was also Congressman Paul’s chief of staff during the 2012 election, and his press secretary in Congress from 2000 to 2006.

Mises called himself a liberal. If he saw the alt-right, he would spin in his grave.

[Smitty]

Mises called himself a liberal. If he saw the alt-right, he would spin in his grave.

That would be Classical Liberalism. You might want to read up on it.

Here's an excellent start.

https://mises.org/library/liberalism...ical-tradition

This is Mises's classic statement in defense of a free society, one of the last statements of the old liberal school and a text from which we can continue to learn. It has been the conscience of a global movement for liberty for 80 years. This new edition, a gorgeous hardback from the Mises Institute, features a new foreword by Thomas Woods.

It first appeared in 1927, as a followup to both his devastating 1922 book showing that socialism would fail, and his 1926 book on interventionism.

It was written to address the burning question: if not socialism, and if not fascism or interventionism, what form of social arrangements are most conducive to human flourishing? Mises's answer is summed up in the title, by which he meant classical liberalism.

Mises did more than restate classical doctrine. He gave a thoroughly modern defense of freedom, one that corrected the errors of the old liberal school by rooting the idea of liberty in the institution of private property (a subject on which the classical school was sometimes unclear). Here is the grand contribution of this volume.

[Wilf]

That would be Classical Liberalism. You might want to read up on it.

Here's an excellent start.

https://mises.org/library/liberalism...ical-tradition

This is Mises's classic statement in defense of a free society, one of the last statements of the old liberal school and a text from which we can continue to learn. It has been the conscience of a global movement for liberty for 80 years. This new edition, a gorgeous hardback from the Mises Institute, features a new foreword by Thomas Woods.

It first appeared in 1927, as a followup to both his devastating 1922 book showing that socialism would fail, and his 1926 book on interventionism.

It was written to address the burning question: if not socialism, and if not fascism or interventionism, what form of social arrangements are most conducive to human flourishing? Mises's answer is summed up in the title, by which he meant classical liberalism.

Mises did more than restate classical doctrine. He gave a thoroughly modern defense of freedom, one that corrected the errors of the old liberal school by rooting the idea of liberty in the institution of private property (a subject on which the classical school was sometimes unclear). Here is the grand contribution of this volume.

You miss the point. Maybe this music video can explain the point of the alt-right?

[Tywysog Cymru]

Mises called himself a liberal. If he saw the alt-right, he would spin in his grave.

He was also Jewish so the alt-right wouldn't like him.

[r3volution 3.0]

Mises called himself a liberal. If he saw the alt-right, he would spin in his grave.

Indeed, their ancestors chased him out of Austria.

[Smitty]

So,..how many anti-Mises people are on this forum these days.

Are the people who are commenting in this thread all of you?

[Tywysog Cymru]

So,..how many anti-Mises people are on this forum these days.

Are the people who are commenting in this thread all of you?

We aren't anti-Mises. Mises would be anti-alt right.

[Smitty]

We aren't anti-Mises. Mises would be anti-alt right.

You've met the man?,...had in depth discussions with him?

[r3volution 3.0]

You've met the man?,...had in depth discussions with him?

Humanity has developed an ingenious method for preserving the ideas of the departed.

We call them "books."

Mises wrote a number of them.

[Smitty]

Humanity has developed an ingenious method for preserving the ideas of the departed.

We call them "books."

Mises wrote a number of them.

So I've been told.

[Tywysog Cymru]

You've met the man?,...had in depth discussions with him?

No, but I know that he:

A, was against collectivism
B, was Jewish

The alt-right would want nothing to do with him, nor would he with them.

[Smitty]

Have the last word,..even if it's wrong.

Good evening.

[r3volution 3.0]

The alt-right is dismissive of economics in general, esp. free market economics, which some consider a Jewish plot.

From an anti-libertarian article entitled "Libertarianism and Marxism: The Twin Offspring of Liberalism."

therightstuffDOTbiz/2015/11/05/libertarianism-and-marxism-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

The point that libertarianism is Jewish in origin has already been discussed extensively before, and I won't rehash that here.

[Wilf]

He had a book call Liberalism, read it. You will figure out that he rejects a lot of the popularized "alt right" beliefs: https://fee.org/resources/liberalism...wig-von-mises/

[erowe1]

Where does Donald Trump fit in here? Because he is clearly a perfect case of someone who belongs to the socialist left.

[Tywysog Cymru]

The alt-right is dismissive of economics in general, esp. free market economics, which some consider a Jewish plot.

From an anti-libertarian article entitled "Libertarianism and Marxism: The Twin Offspring of Liberalism."

therightstuffDOTbiz/2015/11/05/libertarianism-and-marxism-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

The right stuff is a special place for sure. The one time I went there some people in the comments section were advocating for Aryan men to go on the offensive sexually against other races but making sure to keep other races' men away from their women.