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    Cruz family Canada records could be available . . .

    As an expatriate to Canada for almost a full two years now,
    Ted Cruz does not have the same protection from Canada authorities in Ottawa as
    when The Dallas Morning News first requested records from them a couple years back.



    All the Ted Cruz lies can start catching up with him



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    At least now if Teddy were to enter into Canada (post-expatriation) he would fall under protection of the US Embassy . . .
    something he was not entitled to when he first became a US Senator as a Canadian citizen.

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    It looks like Canada did not recognize any alleged marriage of the parents of Rafael Cruz, Jr. -
    at least by Edmonton vital statistics and the birth certificate - Was Eleanor Wilson divorced yet in December 1970?

    So, a few grounds to require that blood or DNA tests be mandated by a US District Court judge under INS law and US Federal case law -
    if Teddy decides he even wants to meet his burden of proof.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 03-31-2016 at 06:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    It looks like Canada did not recognize any alleged marriage of the parents of Rafael Cruz, Jr. -
    . . .
    Either Ted Cruz is lying to us, or his mother Eleanor Darragh Wilson Cruz lied to him.

    Cruz has stated in his earlier accounts how his mother had a child (around 1965 ?) from her previous marriage - that is NOT true.

    A Ted Cruz half-sibling was born after his mom had already divorced her husband Mr. Wilson, now residing in London.
    It was NOT the former husband's child at all - they had been divorced, and Eleanor even asked Wilson if she could
    still use his name on THAT birth certificate.

    Wilson was flabbergasted when reached by the UK press to learn his former wife had also used his last name again as well
    on the Rafael Jr. birth certificate/documents in December 1970.

    Wilson comes across as quite the gentleman in the interview . . .
    he wishes Eleanor all the best but has not followed US politics at all and didn't realize it was his former wife as the mother of a Canadian born child.

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    As expected lol. Even though Ted Cruz destroyed his own Canadian citizenship, his still a Canadian. Because the system has him and his birth record.

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    Canada's federal election of July 8, 1974 listed Ted Cruz' parents as
    “Cruz, Eleanor, Mrs.” and “Cruz, Raphael, self employed,”
    both at 920 Riverdale Avenue, South West in Calgary, Alberta.
    Canadian law restricts (and restricted) federal voting rights to Canadian citizens.

    Rafael Bienvenido Cruz has confirmed he became a Canadian citizen.
    Mrs. Rafael Cruz apparently represented herself as, and certainly had been "enumerated" by a registrar for that election as a Canadian citizen or dual-citizen.

    Four years earlier at the time of Ted Cruz’s birth, the Cruz family had rented and lived in what the National Post has described as a
    “stucco-walled, Spanish-colonial-style Calgary home” near the Foothills Medical Centre, roughly six miles northwest of the Riverdale Avenue home.


    His father “left my mother and me in December 1974.”
    The elder Cruz had a religious awakening in Houston the following year and returned to his family:
    “Shortly thereafter they sold their business in Calgary [in 1975] and moved us down to Houston"

    Ted Cruz became an Inhabitant of the United States in 1975 by these accounts.
    The circumstances of Rafael Sr. support that Ted Cruz could not - and never did - receive any "automatic" US citizenship - or never "inherited" US citizenship at birth under US law.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    As an expatriate to Canada for almost a full two years now,
    Ted Cruz does not have the same protection from Canada authorities in Ottawa as
    when The Dallas Morning News first requested records from them a couple years back.



    All the Ted Cruz lies can start catching up with him
    What lies? And what records? I don't see how any Canadian records would be relevant to anything. It's not like anyone disputes that he was born in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    What lies? And what records? I don't see how any Canadian records would be relevant to anything. It's not like anyone disputes that he was born in Canada.
    Well, then he is ineligible to be president



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    Noticing a lack of any official links to support any of the claims made. Example:

    Canada's federal election of July 8, 1974 listed Ted Cruz' parents as
    “Cruz, Eleanor, Mrs.” and “Cruz, Raphael, self employed,”
    both at 920 Riverdale Avenue, South West in Calgary, Alberta.
    Canadian law restricts (and restricted) federal voting rights to Canadian citizens.
    Any link to actual voter registration? According to Breitbart which made the claim: http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...a-voters-list/

    The document is a “preliminary list of electors,” and not a record of those who actually voted. Such lists were also prone to error, according to Breitbart News sources.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-06-2016 at 03:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    What lies? And what records? I don't see how any Canadian records would be relevant to anything. It's not like anyone disputes that he was born in Canada.
    Ted Cruz has outright lied that he was conferred an "automatic" US citizenship,
    claiming to somehow magically be a US citizen by the "act of being born" . . . when of course it was the 1952 "Act" of Congress
    that applies to a foreign born child to one US citizen-parent and their requirements for US naturalization.

    But you're right . . . those Canada records Cruz would want to still hold back as a expatriate now, but over which he loses
    some dominion over as an ex-pat, will definitely hurt his claim of US Senate eligibility before 2023.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 03:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    What lies? And what records? I don't see how any Canadian records would be relevant to anything. It's not like anyone disputes that he was born in Canada.
    If his mom became a Canadian citizen before he was born, then technically she relinquished her US citizenship and he would not be a US citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If his mom became a Canadian citizen before he was born, then technically she relinquished her US citizenship and he would not be a US citizen.
    The mom has apparently misrepresented herself on the Canadian birth certificate documents at least . . .
    and looks like she was "enumerated" (there is no registration (?)) for the 1974 Canada elections -
    before Teddy ever even became an Inhabitant of the USA to get his naturalization process started.

    Not such a pretty picture for INS. Ted claimed as a dependent on the self-employed Rafael Sr.'s Agence du Revenue tax forms 1970 - 1975 ?
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 03:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If his mom became a Canadian citizen before he was born, then technically she relinquished her US citizenship and he would not be a US citizen.
    When did she relinquish her US Citizenship?

    According to Wiki- his parents had been in Canada three years before he was born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

    To start the application process to become a Canadian citizen they must first have permanent residency status and then have lived in the country

    Applicants must have Canadian permanent resident status and have lived in Canada for at least four years (1,460 days) out of the past six years before applying
    http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-c...igibility.html

    So even assuming she had permanent residency in Canada the day she moved there, she could not have even applied until at least a year after Cruz was born. Therefore, she was a US citizen at the time of his birth.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-06-2016 at 04:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    When did she relinquish her US Citizenship?
    What does the natural born clause actually mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    What does the natural born clause actually mean?
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...aturalBorn.php
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    Requirements are undefined though there are two ways to acquire citizenship- by birth or by naturalization which is becoming a citizen after birth.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    When did she relinquish her US Citizenship?
    When was the Dad a naturalized US citizen (?) . . . 2005. Needed both parents US citizens to be "automatic" . . .

    Ted Cruz is the only Senator to have been born to just one US citizen-parent . . . and still was a foreign citizen at election to the Senate -
    The one other foreign born that had NOT expatriated from his native country to become an exclusive US citizen (not just a dual citizen) -
    was impeached from the US Senate in 1794.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Requirements are undefined though there are two ways to acquire citizenship- by birth or by naturalization which is becoming a citizen after birth.
    Defined in Title 8 of the US Code . . . the 1952 Naturalization Act applicable for all 1970 foreign born wanting to be US citizens.
    Really clearly and explicitly defined for the derivative citizenship through one parent.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    When was the Dad a naturalized US citizen (?) . . . 2005. Needed both parents US citizens to be "automatic" . . .

    Ted Cruz is the only Senator to have been born to just one US citizen-parent . . . and still was a foreign citizen at election to the Senate -
    The one other foreign born that had NOT expatriated from his native country to become an exclusive US citizen (not just a dual citizen) -
    was impeached from the US Senate in 1794.

    US law which states that? Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    What does the natural born clause actually mean?
    Good historical evidence that "natural-born Citizen" of the American army meant . . . as John Jay wrote it - and George Washington read it and interpreted it -was actually both "born on the soil" and "born to both citizen-parents" (McCain ineligible)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    US law which states that? Link?
    How many times do you need these links ? . . .
    to which you'd then formerly just lie outright and pull out of your arse that Mr. Smith of South Carolina was born in the UK
    while the 1789 Madison Papers that stated the USA used "place of birth - not parentage" just three months after ratification of the Constitution
    and a full one year before the 1790 definition relied on by Cruz liars to obfuscate, which btw . . . was even repealed and re-written as Madison, Washington and Jay wished in 1795 anyway.

    So . . . you are a different Zippy. lol
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 04:20 PM.

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    So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-06-2016 at 04:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).
    Title 8 - remember from before Zippy 2.0 ? Naturalization Act of 1952 - codified as Title 8 of the US Code - remember from before ?

    Come'on . . . it is even the same Section of Title 8 as before . . . begins with a 1 . . . then there is a

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    Oh yeah- that one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401 It says only one parent has to be a US Citizen.

    The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
    (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen year
    You are right- that law does apply to Cruz- and says he was a national and citizen at birth as long as ONE of his parents was a US citizen.

    (His mother was a US citizen and met the residence requirements).

    So he was born a US citizen.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-06-2016 at 04:45 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So still no link to a US law requiring both parents are citizens before one of their offspring is an automatic citizen at the time Cruz was born? Didn't think you could find it. (Madison papers are not US law).
    Madison was arguing in Congress . . . the Constitution is the law of course that was ratified in March 1789 by Rhode Island last, when Madison was before Congress arguing his opinion and definition regarding Mr. Smith -
    I think it might have been even used in the 1993 contemporary definition of natural born citizen in that US District Court case - remember ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Oh yeah- that one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
    You are right- that law does apply to Cruz- and says he was a national and citizen at birth as long as ONE of his parents was a US citizen.
    What comes before that (g) in Sect 1401 . . . again omitted ?
    Pulled more chit outta yer arse, eh? 8 USC Sect. 143-- . . . read verbatim again needed ?
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-06-2016 at 04:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Good historical evidence that "natural-born Citizen" of the American army meant . . . as John Jay wrote it - and George Washington read it and interpreted it -was actually both "born on the soil" and "born to both citizen-parents" (McCain ineligible)
    That's the way I read it, after much research, but it could have meant just the father had to be a citizen.

    Either way, with Cruz's father being Cuban, he is ineligible.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Requirements are undefined though there are two ways to acquire citizenship- by birth or by naturalization which is becoming a citizen after birth.
    But natural born under the eligibility to be a president clauses is a higher standard than just a citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    What comes before that (g) in Sect 1401 . . . again omitted ?
    Pulled more chit outta yer arse, eh? 8 USC Sect. 143-- . . . read verbatim again needed ?
    Outta my arse? Just quoting the law.

    What comes before (g)? That would be (f).

    (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
    Not seeing any relevance there though.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-06-2016 at 04:37 PM.

  34. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Outta my arse? Just quoting the law.
    Why not quote the entire law . . . instead of spread chit endlessly . . . go back to the previous thread or still needing help ?

    Find the automatic citizenship requirement yet in the 1952 Act yet . . . again ?

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